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by LSorenson
Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ονομαζε τουτο το μελισμα· (Song)
Replies: 2
Views: 1002

Ονομαζε τουτο το μελισμα· (Song)

τίς δυνατος εστιν τοῦνομα τουδε μελισματος εικαζειν και τοὺς αἰοίδους (εισιν τεσσαρες); οὐ παλαι ᾖσαν (sang) τουτ' εν ταις Σποράδων νησοις. συγγνωμην εχε ει ημαρτον εν γραμμασσι η λογοις η συνταξει. Ονομαζε τουτο το μελισμα· = Name this tune! Λεωνίδας ὠ πόποι, πάλιν αὖ ποιῶ ὦ μοι, πῶς σε ἀθετήσω ὦ π...
by LSorenson
Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I did a bad thing!
Replies: 1
Views: 905

Re: I did a bad thing!

I dropped my Greek for 17 years. It was only reading that got it back. When I started again, I could not remember what a genitive absolute construction was or many other construcions. -- but the modern-day online tools give a learning-curve advantage, but only if you Read Read Read.

Louis S
by LSorenson
Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Singular vs. Plural Imperatives.
Replies: 12
Views: 5745

Re: Singular vs. Plural Imperatives.

Got a reference (Author-Book-Page-Section) or a Mastronarde reference.

I'm thinking you are reading something from Plato's Apologia Socratis....

Louis
by LSorenson
Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: where can one find some Greek songs ?
Replies: 5
Views: 2214

Re: where can one find some Greek songs ?

Try this one φιλεῖ σε, ναὶ, ναὶ, ναὶ φιλεῖ σε, ναὶ, ναὶ, ναὶ ἀπολωλυῖαν ἐφρονεῖς ἀλλ' ἔχθες εἶδον αὐτὴν καὶ ὑπὲρ σοῦ ἔτι φρονεῖ καὶ μόνον ἐθελοῦσα ἐφη ὅτι σε ἀγαπᾷ. οἶδας τοῦτ' οὔκ ἐστι κακόν δὴ σε ἀγαπᾷ. οἶδας ὅτι ἂν ῇς εὐφραίνων ἔλεγεν δὲ σε θλίβεσθαι ὡστ' αὐτὴν ἂν ἀφρονεῖσθαι ἀλλὰ νῦν ἐφη ἰδεῖν σ...
by LSorenson
Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: North-Hillard Greek Composition Group
Replies: 2
Views: 1527

Re: North-Hillard Greek Composition Group

I've also found Theory of advanced Greek prose composition, with digest of Greek idioms (1921) by John Donovan on Internet Archive. They are full of examples and idioms. A very good read. Some suggested weekly readings from these and from Sidgewick's books are an optional element. * Volume 1 http://...
by LSorenson
Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: where can one find some Greek songs ?
Replies: 5
Views: 2214

Re: where can one find some Greek songs ?

If you are into Christian Koine, there are a number of songs written out and a few a Capella at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs . There's even an Ode to Brett Farve sung to the Clash's Should I go Or Should I stay. I've got a number of other secular ones like Your So Vain, Like a Rolling Stone, a...
by LSorenson
Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ENA (Greek UNO Card Game)
Replies: 2
Views: 2854

ENA (Greek UNO Card Game)

ἔπαισας ποτὲ τὴν παιδία Ἑνά; For those who want a little fun in their life, and want to improve their Greek, I have translated the UNO instructions into ancient Greek. There are still a few errors and changes of terms, but you can find the instructions and other documents as shown below: Greek Instr...
by LSorenson
Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: North-Hillard Greek Composition Group
Replies: 2
Views: 1527

Re: North-Hillard Greek Composition Group

Week 6 is coming up (Week ending April 10, 2010) . We are doing exercise 7Α. Anyone is welcome to join and participate as much or as little as they can. Log onto http://www.letsreadgreek.org/moodle2 and sign up for NH101.

Louis S.
by LSorenson
Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Questions from Athenaze
Replies: 4
Views: 2108

Re: Questions from Athenaze

Line 3

3. αἱ ἐν τῇ οἰκίᾳ διαλέγονται ἀλλήλαις περὶ τοῦ καλοῦ the women in the house discuss beauty with each other.

ὁ καλος = νεανιας οραιος (a good-looking young man)
ἡ καλὴ = κορη οραια (a good-looking young woman)

So I take περὶ τοῦ κάλοῠ as "about the young stud-muffin"
by LSorenson
Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: North-Hillard Greek Composition Group
Replies: 2
Views: 1527

North-Hillard Greek Composition Group

Hello all, This note is the announcement of a prose composition course on the GreekStudy email list. The GreekStudy group is called WriteGreek and is using the North-Hillard Greek Prose Composition book available on http://www.textkit.com., along with the aid of Sidgwicks A First Greek Writer. While...
by LSorenson
Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vocabulary acquisition
Replies: 7
Views: 3540

Re: Vocabulary acquisition

It depends on what you are planning to read: Homer, classical or NT or secular Koine . You need about a 2000 word vocabulary to become fairly fluent. Memorizing words which have a low frequency is usually unfruitful. Most beginning Greek books for the NT teach only about 300 words, which is inadequa...
by LSorenson
Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: grammer question.
Replies: 2
Views: 1032

Re: grammer question.

Read the article by Carl Conrad on Greek Voice.

http://artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
by LSorenson
Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:11 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Modern Songs in Koine Greek
Replies: 4
Views: 5680

Re: Modern Songs in Koine Greek

So far I have about 19 songs translated. Some have audio. http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs/ Some are OK and some need some work. I've got a couple of Bob Dylan songs somewhere too... Louis * All Who are Thirsty (Vineyard) (7-21-2009) * Awesome God (Rick Mullin) with Chreia. * Breathe* (written by ...
by LSorenson
Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: κυμαντῷ
Replies: 3
Views: 1184

Re: κυμαντῷ

Look at this word list.

http://artflx.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/phil ... .pl?LSJ.41

Looks like a participle agreeing with the meaning of ρηγμινα 'surf' but not in form.
Perhaps a form of κυμαίνω 'to rise, swell' But the aorist would be κυμαναντῳ methinks. syncopated?
by LSorenson
Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2431

Re: Recent Greek Grammar?

Albert Rijksbaron, Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical
Greek, 3rd ed., U Chicago Press, 2002.

See the post on the B-Greek email list regarding this book. http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... 48832.html
by LSorenson
Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: frustrated by verb stem/changes
Replies: 7
Views: 7170

Re: frustrated by verb stem/changes

Smyth's A Greek Grammar ως φιλος σου παντοτε εστω. You can download it from Texkit. First, you need to see that most often the change is recognizeable and predictable. After making the list of predictable and unpredictable things below, the learning curve seems pretty steep. What we need is an onlin...
by LSorenson
Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8177

Re: Comenius - Greek

I found another reference to the 1802 book at a the Czech library http://www.npkk.cz/kpwinsqlnpkk/zaznam.php?detail_num=201696&vers=3 . If anybody can make sense out of this or find a download link, that would be great. A bookseller list the following information for the 1802 Greek edition: COMENIUS...
by LSorenson
Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Σιγμα sued Ταυ
Replies: 3
Views: 1707

Re: Σιγμα sued Ταυ

I've created a web page which I think has the text. It can be found at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/misctexts/ ... avstau.htm
by LSorenson
Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8177

Re: Comenius - Greek

The book Joannis Amos Comenii Orbis Pictus Graeco-Latinus, Quem ad usum juventutis, graecarum litterarum studiosae, accommodatum curavit Mart. Span., Vindobonae, apud Josephum Geistinger, 1820 can be found at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/comenius/ at the top of the page. I have combined all the file...
by LSorenson
Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8177

Re: Comenius - Greek

Seems like only pages 1-86 are available. The book starts with chapter 3 Mundus.
by LSorenson
Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8177

Re: Comenius - Greek

The book Jo. Amos Comenius graeco latinus usui studiosae juventutis accomodatus. Publisher: Apud J. G. Siuzium, 1802. has been indexed on Google Books. I'm told that when this happens the book is likely to come out soon.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DaGLPQAACAAJ
by LSorenson
Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8177

Re: Comenius - Greek

I have been interested in a Greek-Latin Comenius since I first found out about Comenius a couple of weeks ago. The Latin Comenius project is the place for versions of Comenius' books. The 4th book, Janua has a Latin-Classical Greek version. Latin and Classical Greek ed. Theodoro Simonio; http://book...
by LSorenson
Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Cebes Tablet passage
Replies: 3
Views: 1748

Re: Cebes Tablet passage

Keith Seddon includes the Tablet of Cebes in his book Epictetus' Handbook and the Tablet of Cebes: Guides to Stoic Living. He thinks the Tablet of Cebes is primarily Stoic in outlook. He does not say anything about this passage though. He has a couple of interesting charts (picture diagrams) of the ...
by LSorenson
Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: help with Menander, please?
Replies: 4
Views: 2119

Re: help with Menander, please?

The only English translation of the Monostichoi I am aware of is J. M. Edmonds, The Fragments of Attic Comedy, vol. IIIb (Leiden 1961). There are, however, German (by Jaekel), Italian (by Pompella), Latin (Lukian / Hemsterhusius 1708) and Spanish (by Romero / Sanchez-Elvira) translations available. ...
by LSorenson
Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes Highlight-All option possible?
Replies: 0
Views: 979

Diogenes Highlight-All option possible?

There's really no place for a tech question on Textkit. This applies to both Latin and Greek users who use the Diogenes broswer to look up words in lexicons or read texts from TLC/Duke/PHI, etc. I've been trying to see if I can get the Find toolbar / Highlight All features to show in Diogenes as the...
by LSorenson
Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:52 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question for Modern Greek speakers
Replies: 3
Views: 1506

Re: Question for Modern Greek speakers

From J Simon, the speaker: My pronunciation is based on modern Greek with minor variations. I do not attempt to duplicate it exactly, simply because there are aspects of modern Greek pronunciation which I do not care for, For example, its soft treatment of some consonants and vowels, it's treatment ...
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Format for compound numbers
Replies: 2
Views: 1221

Re: Format for compound numbers

I just noticed Smyth's note 350 a. Compound numbers above 20 are expressed by placing the smaller number first (with καί) or the larger number first (with or without καί). δύο καὶ εἴκοσι(ν) two and twenty δεύτερος καὶ εἰκοστός εἴκοσι καὶ δύο twenty and two, or εἴκοσι δύο twenty-two εἰκοστὸς καὶ δεύτ...
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Format for compound numbers
Replies: 2
Views: 1221

Format for compound numbers

I'm trying to get a handle on how compound numbers are written. I'm looking at Smyth §347. http://www.ccel.org/s/smyth/grammar/html/smyth_2n_uni.htm Is the following summary accurate? Compound numerals (13-19; 21-29; 31-39;....) are normally connected with και (except 11, 12), with no intervening sp...
by LSorenson
Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

The book Thurot, Charles 1903. Epictete, Manuel. http://www.letsreadgreek.com/epictetus/ ... ridion.pdf has a section at the end on key terms. It's great because there are long extracts from Epictetus which further explain the terms; pp 49-71 Lexique des Mots Techniques.

Louis
by LSorenson
Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

Regarding the amount of Greek text to be read. I went through the first page on Perseus (section 1.1.) There are about 10 words per line and about 60 lines in section 1.1. of the Dialogues. Sections 1-17 are about 40 lines of 10 words each, which is about 400 words. Each page of a Loeb's edition are...
by LSorenson
Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

A Moodle course? I just ran across this software and was thinking about using it for a Beginning Greek class I am teaching this year. Sounds interesting. While Perseus gives the text and one can download the vocabulary, the Perseus vocabulary list is just a 'guess list'. Each specific word in the te...
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

Epictetus' Discourses and Enchiridion were written by his student Arrian. They are written in what is termed 'Literary Koine'. Arrian's other books are written in an Atticizing style. The hardest thing about reading Epictetus is getting a handle on his terminology. A list of his terms with their def...
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

I would be interested in reading Discourses Book 1

Louis
by LSorenson
Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Epictetus Study Group
Replies: 24
Views: 11743

Re: Epictetus Study Group

The most important Discourse of Επίκητος is the first book, which also has a commentary on the Greek text by Robert F. Dobbin ( Epictetus, Discourses, Book I Oxford, Clarendon Press, 1998). http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/312789163&referer=brief_results . There were originally eight books, only four ha...
by LSorenson
Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software
Replies: 21
Views: 21981

Re: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software

I recently purchased ReadIris Pro 12 (Build 5644). I got it for $65 from the normal price of $129 because of an HP deal from my printer. It took a little while to figure out the interface (I think OmniPage Pro has a little more depth in regard to saving the layout, etc. But Abbott-Smith's lexicon is...
by LSorenson
Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:54 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The Hopperizer: Link Latin texts to Perseus' Latin Lexicon
Replies: 0
Views: 992

The Hopperizer: Link Latin texts to Perseus' Latin Lexicon

Tom Moore at Katabiblon.com has added a Latin version of the Hopperizer utility. The Hopperizer links texts to Perseus' Lexicon (for Latin, Lewis & Short or Elementary Lewis). The Greek version of this utility has been available for a while. It works great for pasting in your homework, linking texts...
by LSorenson
Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:40 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Hopperizer for Latin: Link texts to Perseus' Lexicon
Replies: 0
Views: 1073

Hopperizer for Latin: Link texts to Perseus' Lexicon

Tom Moore at Katabiblon.com has added a Latin version of the Hopperizer utility. The Hopperizer links texts to Perseus' Lexicon (for Latin, Lewis & Short or Elementary Lewis). The Greek version of this utility has been available for a while. It works great for pasting in your homework, linking texts...
by LSorenson
Sat May 02, 2009 3:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question about Plato passage
Replies: 11
Views: 3199

Re: Question about Plato passage

πολύ and μᾶλλον (= μᾶλα; not μαλλόν = wool, acc. of μαλλός) are both adverbs. Together they mean "much more" - going with κέλευουσιν. πολύ is neuter singular from πολύς πολλά πολύ. The subject of the sentence is unexpressed, 'parents' plural masculine (= γονεῖς ?) as shown by the participle πεμποντε...
by LSorenson
Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Composition Help - use of 'it' and 'it is'
Replies: 2
Views: 1396

Composition Help - use of 'it' and 'it is'

Hello all, I've been trying to compose/translate some songs into Greek and am having trouble deciding what to use for "it" in some contexts (both the contracted it's = ἐστιν and the impersonal pronoun 'it'). It seems like English likes to use the impersonal construction "it is" much more commonly th...
by LSorenson
Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:22 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Modern Songs in Koine Greek
Replies: 4
Views: 5680

Re: Modern Songs in Koine Greek

I'm having a discussion with someone about the use of ἐφ' ᾧ. I've used it in the opening phrases of the song "Never Gonna Stop" as the beginning of several lines for "For the ...". Mark (in the email below questions the usage). I have looked up passages in the TLG database using Diogenes and have fo...