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by anphph
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Mimnermus Fr. 2
Replies: 10
Views: 2408

Re: Mimnermus Fr. 2

ὧν τε -- epic τε; see Smyth 2970; Denniston pp. 520 ff. The meaning and function of this type of τε are not fully understood, and neither Smyth nor Denniston are the last word on the subject. C. Ruigh wrote a 1000-page treatise Autour de τε épique , but his conclusions are apparently not universall...
by anphph
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:56 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Mimnermus Fr. 2
Replies: 10
Views: 2408

Re: Mimnermus Fr. 2

And again to another in lack of children, then (τε?) he is most of all desiring them as he makes his way over earth to Hades. Note — I tried to relate lines 11-> with the statement about old age ruining everything. I felt that the “ἄλλοτε” of line 11 and the “τε” of line 13 had some sort of tempora...
by anphph
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Hesiod Works and Days 191-2
Replies: 16
Views: 2977

Re: Hesiod Works and Days 191-2

Barry Hofstetter wrote:Could it simply be read as a hendiadys?
I guess the whole discussion is really about whether or not it is hendiadys or not. In other words, if hybris and man are to be joined together, and if so, how.
by anphph
Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Hesiod Works and Days 191-2
Replies: 16
Views: 2977

Re: Hesiod Works and Days 191-2

This is West's note.

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by anphph
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Hesiod Works and Days 191-2
Replies: 16
Views: 2977

Hesiod Works and Days 191-2

οὐδέ τις εὐόρκου χάρις ἔσσεται οὐδὲ δικαίου οὐδ' ἀγαθοῦ, μᾶλλον δὲ κακῶν ῥεκτῆρα καὶ ὕβριν ἀνέρα τιμήσουσι· δίκη δ' ἐν χερσί· καὶ αἰδὼς οὐκ ἔσται, βλάψει δ' ὁ κακὸς τὸν ἀρείονα φῶτα μύθοισι σκολιοῖς ἐνέπων, ἐπὶ δ' ὅρκον ὀμεῖται. . . . it is rather the doer of evil and the outrage man that they will...
by anphph
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: sentence question
Replies: 1
Views: 894

Re: sentence question

Aliquis , if preceded by ne , becomes quis . Plautus (shoutout to ferriculus from the Amphitruo thread): Ne quis miretus quis sim, paucis eloquar Ne [ali]quam multitudinem. That he should bring not any multidude. So, he should bring no multitude, although I suspect (I'd need context) that it actual...
by anphph
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:15 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer
Replies: 16
Views: 2955

Re: Why study biblical Greek? a Bum Steer

There is a lack of understanding of what exactly Koinê is, which is at the root of all problems. Koinê, Jewish Greek, Septuagint Greek, NT Greek, Christian Greek, Hellenistic Greek, and "Greek after Alexander" all refer to overlapping, but not in any way identical segments of the Greek corpus, with ...
by anphph
Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Plautus Amphitruo, Argumentum I
Replies: 4
Views: 1219

Re: Plautus Amphitruo, Argumentum I

ferriculus wrote:I would expect something like "tumultus inter uxorem et virum"

Is this a poetical dative or does the dative have here a function which I'm missing?
I don't see anything special in it, a simple dative hovering between possessive and ethical. I don't think you should worry about it.
by anphph
Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:20 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Septuaginta Reader's Edition
Replies: 18
Views: 4358

Re: Septuaginta Reader's Edition

Thanks for this. I am at the moment using their Reader's edition of the Hebrew version, a really nice book. If this is as good (and from your review it sounds like it is) it should be a great volume. Care to post some pictures?
by anphph
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Plautus Amphitruo, Argumentum I
Replies: 4
Views: 1219

Re: Plautus Amphitruo, Argumentum I

Why shouldn't it be? What were you expecting?

(You probably want a quod, not a cur, in your Latin. "Miror hoc, quod...")
by anphph
Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Republic 337
Replies: 2
Views: 1159

Re: Republic 337

Hey Joel! Here's my take. καὶ ὃς ἀκούσας ἀνεκάγχασέ τε μάλα σαρδάνιον καὶ εἶπεν: Why ὃς? DEMONSTR. PRON., = οὗτος, ὅδε, this, that; also, he, she, it: in later Gr. this usage remained in a few forms: at the beginning of a clause, καὶ ὅς and he, Hdt.7.18, X.Smp.1.15, Pl. Phd.118, Prt.310d ; καὶ ἥ and...
by anphph
Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aspiration inside a word (i.e. Panhellenic)
Replies: 8
Views: 2212

Aspiration inside a word (i.e. Panhellenic)

From what we know of phonology, would there be an aspiration in the middle of words like "PanHellenic"?

This touches a number of different things, such as the definition of what a word is before grammatical conceptualization, variations in time, so I'll take what I can get -- what do we know?
by anphph
Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ποιοῦσαιν
Replies: 6
Views: 1720

Re: ποιοῦσαιν

EberP wrote:Is it possible that that word is a dual dative/genetive female particple?
Context obviously forbids it, but anyway a dual dative/genitive feminine active participle would be ποιούσαιν, with the accent like that.
by anphph
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ποιοῦσαιν
Replies: 6
Views: 1720

Re: ποιοῦσαιν

It's a typo for ποιοῦσιν.
by anphph
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:56 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Fabulae Syrae Ceres er Proserpina
Replies: 4
Views: 1257

Re: Fabulae Syrae Ceres er Proserpina

At least if "finding" is the same as "knowing where she is".
If you call "to find" "to know where she is"
You're right in the interpretation. Implied of course that he found her but that didn't bring him any closer to getting her back.
by anphph
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Fabulae Syrae Ceres er Proserpina
Replies: 4
Views: 1257

Re: Fabulae Syrae Ceres er Proserpina

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by anphph
Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 1648

Re: Seneca EM 7.5

anphph: The lectio difficilior is usually preferred, because it's considered unlikely that an easy reading would be corrupted into one that's more difficult, rather than vice versa. But here faciant would not be a lectio at all: it would be a conjecture with no ms. authority (I assume), and it woul...
by anphph
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:17 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 1648

Re: Seneca EM 7.5

I'm not sure I understand what is there to explain. Almost always means almost always, just like Brexit. I guess you could make the point that you'd expect a subjunctive, or even argue for it critically (though then it'd be a lectio difficilor * [i.e. facilior , see below]), but the reason it's "alm...
by anphph
Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:33 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Oxford Book of Greek Verse 97, Tyrtaeus
Replies: 14
Views: 3468

Re: Oxford Book of Greek Verse 97, Tyrtaeus

I think you want men ... te ... de, and then de. There's no chiasm. There's just the 'te' joining up with the previous 'men', which is (predictably) followed by 'de'. Then another 'de' functions as another copula (as it does often). katelenxei kalon eidos -- he refutes his shapeliness, meaning he br...
by anphph
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:42 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Latin typography
Replies: 7
Views: 1641

Re: Latin typography

Renaissance texts are often so inconsistent (even within the same page, paragraph, even line) that you can easily come across descriptions of wine, juice of the vua.
by anphph
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: the verb darent
Replies: 10
Views: 2112

Re: the verb darent

Miguel, I’m not sure how helpful that actually is, given imperative da (long a: think Catullus’ da mi basia mille …) vs. adde (short vowels) and the morphological inconsistency. The best and most natural way to learn quantities, if you’re not into morphology, is to read lots of verse—metrically, of...
by anphph
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:27 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: the verb darent
Replies: 10
Views: 2112

Re: the verb darent

mwh wrote:The –a- is short. It’s a common mistake to think that dare has a long –a- like a regular 1st-conjugation infinitive.
An intuitive way of remembering this is to think of the composite verbs derived from dare, such as indere or addere.
by anphph
Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea
Replies: 9
Views: 2426

Re: The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea

ἑκηβόλος wrote:The από is with the κιόνι and the εδώ is an adverb of place for the whole phrase, aren't they?
I think not, it seems a rough equivalent to Latin abhinc.
by anphph
Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:12 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea
Replies: 9
Views: 2426

Re: The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea

Thanks a lot! Also that dictionary seems extremely helpful.
by anphph
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea
Replies: 9
Views: 2426

The word ἀπέδω in the Chronicle of Morea

A friend is apparently reading the Chronicle of Morea and asked me what the word ἀπέδω meant in the following passage. “Ἀπέδω ἐτοῦτο τὸ κιόνι ὀφείλουν ἐγκρεμνίσαι τὸν βασιλέα τὸν ἄπιστον τῆς Κωνσταντίνου Πόλης.” I said it was probably the word ἀπ' ἐδώ - ἐδώ from Modern/Medieval Greek meaning here - ...
by anphph
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?
Replies: 4
Views: 1590

Re: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?

Same thing happens with Arabic, where there's people writing the dots and, in certain circumstances, the short vowels/harakat right after writing the word, but others will just back-write it all across a whole line - a skill that is not without its flair.
by anphph
Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wilkinson's "Golden Latin Artistry" for Greek?
Replies: 4
Views: 1420

Re: Wilkinson's "Golden Latin Artistry" for Greek?

mwh wrote:Denniston’s Greek Prose Style
I'll take it. I read Dover's Greek Word Order a few years back. Plus it seems more digestible than his Greek Particles, which I've only been able to read piecemeal.

It's really a pity there's nothing comparable. Thank you.
by anphph
Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wilkinson's "Golden Latin Artistry" for Greek?
Replies: 4
Views: 1420

Wilkinson's "Golden Latin Artistry" for Greek?

As the title says. After seeing it so often mentioned and praised I went and read it. Wonderful scholarship, my thanks to those who recommended it. Are there similarly recommendable texts for Greek literature? Wilkinson does touch on Greek (and English) constantly, yet the focus is naturally on Latin.
by anphph
Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: inflection's upcoming decay in Smyth's "Greek Grammar"
Replies: 2
Views: 1421

Re: inflection's upcoming decay in Smyth's "Greek Grammar"

a) How do I understand that? Is it not so, that ancient Greek stemmed from Sansscrit, which is said to be even more complete? So this primitive heritage needed have passed or bypassed even the Sansscrit somehow? Greek didn't evolve from Sanskrit. They are both lateral developments from an (unattest...
by anphph
Mon May 21, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"
Replies: 12
Views: 2709

Re: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"

You've reminded me that I forgot to mention the Greek cluster γν (gn) -- English words derived from Greek words beginning with this cluster are pronounced with initial n-, e.g. "gnostic". And English phonotactics didn't always prohibit initial kn- or gn-, as the spelling of such words as "know," "k...
by anphph
Sun May 20, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"
Replies: 12
Views: 2709

Re: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"

The Greek consonant cluster κν- (kn- or cn-) is another consonant cluster that can't occur at the beginning of an English word, but the only Greek-derived English words I've been able to find beginning with the letters cn- are "cnidaria" and "cnidocyte" (and maybe some derivatives of these), and I'...
by anphph
Sun May 20, 2018 10:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"
Replies: 12
Views: 2709

Re: The Origin of words like, "CTIMINE"

Nice one about Pound! I think this is a question for English linguistics. It was pronounced in Latin and Greek, plus it's still pronounced in many other languages of the world.
by anphph
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Newbie seeks good readers
Replies: 17
Views: 5660

Re: Newbie seeks good readers

You might want to take a look at the selections from the JACT that follow up on their Reading Greek course.

"A World of Heroes" has passages from Homer, Herodotus, and Sophocles, and "The Intellectual Revolution" by Plato, Euripides, and Thucydides.
by anphph
Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The final word on Greek pronunciation
Replies: 15
Views: 4410

Re: The final word on Greek pronunciation

Just to say that it never ceases to amuse me the quantity of time and effort people put in matters of pronunciation, far beyond its arguable value for the matter of poetry. Lichtenberg seems to be, once again, the only one to get it right.
by anphph
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Old Testament Greek
Replies: 8
Views: 2406

Re: Old Testament Greek

dikaiopolis wrote:Thomas Lambdin’s Introduction to Biblical Hebrew (my favorite, but a little more challenging)
If it's anything like his Coptic Manual, then it must be a great book!
by anphph
Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Old Testament Greek
Replies: 8
Views: 2406

Re: Old Testament Greek

Hmm, then is there a good book to start me up in Biblical Hebrew ? By far the best I encountered when I was starting out was the Routledge Introductory Course in Biblical Hebrew . The whole Routledge language series is outstanding and this one is no different. Still on the topic, it's possible you ...
by anphph
Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Old Testament Greek
Replies: 8
Views: 2406

Re: Old Testament Greek

You need no knowledge of Hebrew. That's why the text was translated in the first place! There's some structures, words, jokes, puns, that are explainable only by recourse to the Hebrew text, but those are best approached as features of Septuagint Greek, rather than as something that would force you ...
by anphph
Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question about a Hyginus Fabulae
Replies: 15
Views: 3691

Re: Question about a Hyginus Fabulae

"tantus,a,um" does not mean "more". It means "so much".

"Titanosque hortatur" :: AND she encourages

pellere can mean banish, sure, but banish has legal undertones. Here it just means to expel.

Saturno restituant :: Saturno is dative. Restituere means to give back.
by anphph
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:37 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question about a Hyginus Fabulae
Replies: 15
Views: 3691

Re: Question about a Hyginus Fabulae

Postquam Iuno vidit:

[Epapho ex pellice nato] tantam regni potestatem esse

Esse+dat means "to have, to own" - est mihi liber :: I have a book.

Epapho ex pellice nato is a dative.

Is this easier?
by anphph
Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:41 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help
Replies: 16
Views: 4616

Re: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help

Thank you to both of you for the correction concerning vectum . I am persuaded. I am aware of the etymology of case , but, mwh, as you recognize, the meaning of the word in most (all?) languages has drifted unrecognizably beyond the original sense of Greek πτῶσις or Latin casus. My point was that we...