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by jaihare
Sun May 10, 2015 8:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

Exercise 12γ 1. δακρύσω ἐδάκρυσα 2. βλέψομαι ἔβλεψα 3. θαυμάσομαι ἐθαύμασα 4. ἀκούσομαι ἤκουσα 5. δέξομαι ἐδεξάμην 6. διώξομαι ἐδίωξα 7. νικήσω ἐνίκησα 8. σπεύσω ἔσπευσα 9. κομιῶ ἐκόμισα 10. ἡγήσομαι ἡγησάμην 11. βοηθήσω ἐβοήθησα 12. ἐθελήσω ἠθέλησα 13. παύσω ἔπαυσα 14. φυλάξω ἐφύλαξα 15. πέμψω ἔπε...
by jaihare
Fri May 08, 2015 6:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Dear all, I'm sory for disturbing your discussion. I'm self-studing Athenaze too, and hope there is a key for all the Ancient Greek texts of the books. If anyone had, and if it's convenient for you, please kindly share with me Great thanks Sincerely yours, Huynh Trong Khanh Do you mean to say that ...
by jaihare
Wed May 06, 2015 7:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

You're absolutely right, Bruna.

Perhaps we should all do (have done) what Daivid did - explain why we chose the forms that we did for the verbs. Do you think that's a good idea? I can go back and give my rationale, if you want.

Jason
by jaihare
Tue May 05, 2015 9:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

I really missed posting, and reading everybody's comments! :D :D :D Me, too. Absolutely. I'll try to give you some feedback today or tomorrow. :) It's turned into a few more days. I'm in the middle of an emergency re-training course, and there is more studying than I anticipated. I'll get to it. Pr...
by jaihare
Mon May 04, 2015 10:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

brunapogliano wrote:I really missed posting, and reading everybody's comments!
:D :D :D
Me, too. Absolutely. I'll try to give you some feedback today or tomorrow. :)
by jaihare
Sun May 03, 2015 9:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

"I’m not sure what the difference would be between imperfect (ἤθελεν) and aorist (ἠθέλησεν)." ουκ ηθελεν “wasn’t willing,” ουκ ηθελησεν “refused.” (cf. ουκ εφη "denied") (In the latter case, he didn’t do it. In the former, if he had to do it anyway he did it ουκ εθελων, against his will or involunt...
by jaihare
Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

Where are Bruna and CanadianGirl? I'm ready to start 12β already! ;)

After spending > 3 months in chapter 11, it would be great to get through chapter 12 within a month!
by jaihare
Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:21 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

jaihare wrote:Daivid - Do you want individual feedback on your work?
I was bored, so you got it whether you wanted it or not!
by jaihare
Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

12 Ζ 1 ) Dikaiopolis did not want to lead his wife to the town. (ἡγήσασθαι is aorist because the wife wanted to actually get to the town to see the festival not merely to burn off calories. ἠθέλησε, I assume is aorist because his not wanting was only his first reaction – making it aorist leaves ope...
by jaihare
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

While working on this, I found several verbs in the exercises that I hadn't included in the verb sheet. I filled out the sheet as I worked through it. If my tablet has synced properly, it should be uploaded and updated, but I can't be sure right now. Let me know if there's anything that you don't fi...
by jaihare
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

Exercise 12γ 1. δακρύω ➙ δακρύσω, ἐδάκρυσα 2. βλέπω ➙ βλέψομαι/βλέψω, ἔβλεψα 3. θαυμάζω ➙ θαυμάσομαι, ἐθαύμασα 4. ἀκούω ➙ ἀκούσομαι, ἤκουσα 5. δέχομαι ➙ δέξομαι, ἐδεξάμην 6. διώκω ➙ διώξω/διώξομαι, ἐδίωξα 7. νικάω ➙ νικήσω, ἐνίκησα 8. σπευδω ➙ σπεύσω, ἔσπευσα 9. κομίζω ➙ κομιῶ, ἐκόμισα 10. ἡγέομαι (...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze - Lesson Divisions
Replies: 21
Views: 6171

Re: Athenaze - Lesson Divisions

I have been thru a bad patch with my Greek so combining the alpha and beta lessons in one thread is not the only reason that my attempt to participate again for lesson 10 failed but the combining the alpha and the beta lessons into one thread was a very big part of it. If there were a strong downsi...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12

Along with preparations for lesson 12, I have updated my verb sheet. It includes (at this point) the present, future and aorist indicative for every verb that we've encountered in Athenaze until now. http://1drv.ms/1zT0AOm I am thinking of how I can incorporate the participle forms into it. I may ju...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

The new thread is now open.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=63335&p=172309#p172309
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α
Replies: 45
Views: 11214

Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12α

Having spent three months and eight days (!) on lesson 11, we are now opening lesson 12. At least we're making progress! Let's try to get this one done in two months! :) Here's the template: Section 12α of the Textbook Exercise 12γ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. Exercise 12ε 1. 2...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

CanadianGirl,

Does that mean that you don't intend to do the English-to-Greek translations at the end? I think these are the most challenging and most useful!

I'll go ahead and open up chapter 12 now. I won't type out the exercises, but I'll put up a template.

Jason
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Athenaze Lesson 11 mu 1. The farmer, going to the field, saw his daughter sitting under the tree. That is, “having entered the field” (εἰς τὸν ἀγρὸν εἰσελθών). 2. So he went to her and said: Why are you sitting under the tree weeping, oh daughter? Yes. (Why didn’t you include quotation marks for th...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ι 1. “Come here, oh brother, and help me!” Yes. 2. “Yesterday I saw a wolf approaching the sheep-fold.” Yes. 3. “Perhaps we might see him on the hill and catch him.” Do you take ἴσως as coloring the verb ὀψόμεθα to create a modal of sorts? Why not “perhaps we will see it”? (Since αὐτόν r...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ζ 1. The woman learning that the child was blind, said to the man (husband) “Oh Zeus what ought we to do?” It’s quite OK to translate τῷ ἀνδρί as “to her husband.” It does indeed contain the concept of possession. If it were someone else’s husband, then we would expect to see τῷ ἀνδρὶ αὐ...
by jaihare
Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:52 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

OK, if you're finished then I'll try to go through and give some correction, then I'll open up chapter 12. :)
by jaihare
Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Hello, just dropping a word. Paige, nice to have you back. Jaihare, I've started working on CH 12. Nice weather in North-western Italy, not very warm but sunny. have a nice week :) Excellent. I think that when I open 12, I will not type out the problems. We all have the book, so I don't know why we...
by jaihare
Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:29 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: greek text on android
Replies: 46
Views: 74044

Re: greek text on android

Here's my Android experience with polytonic Greek: Toshiba Thrive tablet, Android 4.0.4, Firefox browser: polytonic will not display, and Toshiba is not going to issue any android updates for this device, so it's obsolete. Samsung Galaxy Note3, Android 4.4.4, Firefox browser: polytonic displays, bu...
by jaihare
Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Sure. I'll start putting together the exercises for chapter 12 ASAP. I'm flying back to NYC tomorrow night. Hopefully, I'll have time to start the new thread with the exercises by Monday. No hurry at all. Honestly, I hope Paige or (never know) Klewlis are back some time, but it seems it is only you...
by jaihare
Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Sure. I'll start putting together the exercises for chapter 12 ASAP.

I'm flying back to NYC tomorrow night. Hopefully, I'll have time to start the new thread with the exercises by Monday.
by jaihare
Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

I’ve noticed I usually translate participles between commas and break the main clause, while you tend to place them mostly at the beginning, without breaking the main clause. Is either of the two ways better or more correct in English? Breaking the sentence is more translational. I don't think it s...
by jaihare
Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 186347

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

Do you have an example from the GNT of what you're proposing at 1 John 1:1- 4 ? -- of a verb which governs it's own relative clause , and also governs multiple other relative clauses detached from it . I notice that you restrict the question to the Greek New Testament. Why not open it up to the res...
by jaihare
Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:54 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 186347

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

Isaac Newton wrote:
mwh wrote:and your behavior.
Support this charge, whatever you mean by it.
And here we are on CARM all over again.
by jaihare
Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:43 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 186347

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

Jameson, I read the words as follows -- διὰ τὴν πλεονεξίαν, ὃ πᾶσα φύσις διώκειν πέφυκεν ὡς ἀγαθόν I don't see a "major" typo here. Could you point it out ? What you originally pasted does not contain ὅ in it. Do you really see no difference (if not, it doesn't surprise me). διὰ τὴν πλεονεξία_ν, δ̀...
by jaihare
Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 186347

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

You've quoted from a botched text. Can you spot the major typo in what you've copied and pasted? Of course, the underscores are to represent the macron (such that α_ means ᾱ and υ_ means ῡ), but there is a real problem with what you pasted. Can you point it out? How would you type it up so that it ...
by jaihare
Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:45 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 186347

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

I will filtering through Smyth's Grammar this evening and chanced upon the following, 2502 : d. The relative may stand in the neuter, in agreement with the notion implied in the antecedent rather than with the antecedent itself; as διὰ τὴν πλεονεξία_ν, δ̀ πᾶσα φύσις διώκειν πέφυ_κεν ὡς ἀγαθόν for t...
by jaihare
Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ι 1. Come here, brother, and help me (both aorist imper.) 2. Yesterday I saw a wolf approach the sheepfold 3. Perhaps we will see it on the hills and catch it 4. The boys, having arrived at the sheepfold, saw a wolf come/coming down the hills 5. After seeing the wolf, they take / pick up...
by jaihare
Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ι 1. “Come here, brother, and help me. 2. “I saw a wolf yesterday going toward the sheepfold. 3. “Perhaps we will see it in the mountains and catch it.” 4. So, arriving at the sheepfold, the children saw a wolf coming down from the mountains. 5. Having seen the wolf, they pick up stones ...
by jaihare
Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

New exercises: Exercise 11ι 1. “ἐλθὲ δεῦρο, ὦ ἄδελφε, καί μοι σύλλαβε. 2. “χθὲς ( yesterday ) λύκον εἶδον πρὸς τὸ αὔλιον ( sheepfold ) προσιόντα. 3. “ἴσως ( perhaps ) αὐτὸν ἐν τοῖς ὄρεσιν ὀψόμεθα καὶ αἱρήσομεν.” 4. οἱ οὖν παῖδες εἰς τὸ αὔλιον ἀφικόμενοι λύκον εἶδον ἐκ τῶν ὀρῶν κατιόντα. 5. τὸν λύκον...
by jaihare
Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ε 4. μαθήσονται :: ἔμαθον OR μαθησομένοις :: μαθοῦσι(ν) I don't understand what the last two forms stand for or where you got them I looked up what I had put in my first go-round with Athenaze , and it was μαθησομένοις rather than μαθησομένῳ. I've changed it here accordingly, since that ...
by jaihare
Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11ε 4. μαθήσονται :: ἔμαθον OR μαθησομένῳ :: μαθοῦσι(ν) I don't understand what the last two forms stand for or where you got them The text said that there were two ways to answer this drill. The form μανθάνουσι(ν) can either be present indicative active third-person plural , or it can be ...
by jaihare
Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Exercise 11δ 1. πεσεῖ/πεσῇ - πεσεῖσθε :: ἔπεσες - ἐπέσετε 2. βαλεῖς - βαλεῖτε :: ἔβαλες - ἐβάλετε 3. λείψεις - λείψετε :: ἔλιπες - ἐλίπετε 4. ἀφίξει/ἀφίξῃ - ἀφίξεσθε :: ἀφίκου - ἀφίκεσθε 5. λήψει/λήψῃ - λήψεσθε :: ἔλαβες - ἐλάβετε 6. μαθήσει/μαθήσῃ - μαθήσεσθε :: ἔμαθες - ἐμάθετε 7. ἄξεις - ἄξετε :...
by jaihare
Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11

Here is my Exercise 11η 1. Ἐλίπομεν τὸν πάππον ἐν τῇ ἀγορᾲ καθιζόμενον 2. Οἱ παῖδες τὸν λύκον λίθοις ἔβαλον 3. Ἆρ’ἔμαθες τί ἐγένετο - τὰ γενόμενα; 4. Ὁ ἰατρὸς δι'ὀλίγου εἰς τὴν πόλιν ἀφίκετο 5. Τὸ ἄροτρον ἐν τῷ ἀγρῷ λιπών, ὁ αὐτουργὸς τοὺς βοῦς οἴκαδε ἤγαγε 6. Αἱ γυναῖκες, τὰ γενόμενα μαθοῦσαι, ἔφυ...
by jaihare
Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:48 am
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1073903

Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

I meant paper and hoped that the ancient greek word for papyrus would serve (what with actual paper not being known to the ancient Greeks). And yes I should have used ἔξω indeed I think I even intended to but somehow it slipped out. And thanks for warning me about the need to make λαμβάνωσιν plural...
by jaihare
Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:13 am
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1073903

Re: What's the weather like today (φθινόπωρον)

οὐ φοβούμενος μὴ βρέχῃ τίθημι βύβλον ἵνα οἱ ἐκ βύβλου ποιέοντες νεὸν βύβλον λαμβάνῃ αὐτόν. Do you mean ἡ βίβλος ("book")? The word ὁ Βύβλος was the Greek name of the Phoenician city of Geval/Jabiil (גבל \ جبيل) in Lebanon, north of Beirut. Also, notice the agreement between οἱ (plural) and λαμβάνῃ ...
by jaihare
Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11
Replies: 48
Views: 19538

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 11 Winter Storm etc.

Gang-Sorry I've been out of touch-last week was hell week-LOL! Bad ice storm Monday night & I was without power for 24 hours in 20 degree temperature. Had to focus on surviving more than anything-I spent most of Tuesday digging out (and injured my shoulder) and then had to go to work a couple of da...