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by vir litterarum
Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: English/Greek dictionary?
Replies: 5
Views: 2051

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/efts/Woodhouse/ A hard copy of this book, which is the only legitimate English-Greek dictionarythat I've come across, will cost you about $250, so, unless your willing to spend that much, you'll have to be content with using the electronic version. There is also a .pdf of...
by vir litterarum
Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

I understand now. Thank you so much for the explication. I was most disappointed at Dover's gloss on the passage.
by vir litterarum
Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

Isn't the partitive genitive a form of the adnominal genitive or used after certain verbs of filling, etc.? How can one express part from the whole with an adverb?
by vir litterarum
Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

So πάντων here means something more like "neither did Aristodemus bethink himself of all the things...", while the accusative of the relative with the verb means to remember?
by vir litterarum
Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

If the implied verb of ἃ δὲ μάλιστα is ?μέμνητο, then why isn't this relative in the genitive?
by vir litterarum
Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

That definitely is a possibility, but doesn't the inversely attracted demonstrative tend to precede the relative to which it is attracted? Here is the translation from the Penguin edition by Christopher Gill: "But I'll tell you the speeches of the people he remembered best and that I thought most im...
by vir litterarum
Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symposium 178a3-5
Replies: 20
Views: 6943

Plato Symposium 178a3-5

πάντων μὲν οὖν ἃ ἕκαστος εἶπεν, οὔτε πάνυ ? Ἀ?ιστόδημος ?μέμνητο οὔτ' αὖ ?γὼ ἃ ?κεῖνος ἔλεγε πάντα: ἃ δὲ μάλιστα καὶ ὧν ἔδοξέ μοι ἀξιομνημόνευτον*, τούτων ὑμῖν ??ῶ ἑκάστου τὸν λόγον. Dover says that ?μέμνητο ought to be supplied here after μάλιστα. Even so, I don't understand how the relative clause...
by vir litterarum
Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:48 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Roman conception about universe
Replies: 7
Views: 3283

See also Eratosthenes, who was approximately contemporary to Aristarchus.
by vir litterarum
Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Verify translations 9
Replies: 4
Views: 1714

In the context of the myth, the dative works much better. The entire conflict revolves around "to whom" the apple should be given. The Genitive never conveys a sense of personal interest or advantage as the dative does.
by vir litterarum
Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Verify translations 9
Replies: 4
Views: 1714

Close, but not quite. not "worst goddess," but "worst of goddesses not "were dining" but "had dined; tense is pluperfect. not "prettiest goddesses" but "to the most beautiful goddess"; case is dative singular not nominative pl. Indicative first person plural of "facio" is "facimus"; "faciemus is fut...
by vir litterarum
Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Textbook for Autodidact?
Replies: 12
Views: 5686

I find it difficult to contradict the esteemed opinion of Professor Dik, so Mastronarde is probably your best option.

Helma
In this moderator's personal opinion, it is the single best English-language textbook in existence for Classical Greek
by vir litterarum
Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:01 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Grammar questions
Replies: 3
Views: 1542

You are incorrect about "esset" being imperfect subjunctive. When any form of "essem,-es, etc." is joined with the perfect passive participle in periphrasis, it represents the pluperfect, not the imperfect tense. participles of deponent of verbs are also active. The only exception is the gerundive, ...
by vir litterarum
Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:38 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Omission of IPSE vs SUI
Replies: 8
Views: 3044

"Ipse" is merely intensive; it just stresses the fact that it is the subject of the sentence and absolutely no one else performing the action. The reflexive pronoun is necessary because it performs a distinct grammatical role, unlike the intensive pronoun. In your sentence, the reflexive is the dire...
by vir litterarum
Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Orthography
Replies: 3
Views: 1509

William Sidney Allen seems to believe that in Classical Latin pronunciation r=rh.

http://books.google.com/books?id=aexkj_ ... 7_obCkbjfA.
by vir litterarum
Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Orthography
Replies: 3
Views: 1509

Latin Orthography

Does anyone know why Greek initial rho with the rough breathing in Latin is written with the "h" postponed instead of prefixed, i.e. rh- instead of hr-?
by vir litterarum
Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:51 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Livy Ab Urbe Condita 21.19
Replies: 5
Views: 2186

"Since" definitely is better than "when" here. What are you taking as the subject of "additum esset"?
by vir litterarum
Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Livy Ab Urbe Condita 21.19
Replies: 5
Views: 2186

Livy Ab Urbe Condita 21.19

Haec derecta percontatio ac denuntatio belli magis ex dignitate populi Romani visa est quam de foederum iure verbis disceptare, cum ante, tum maxime Sagunto excisa. Nam si verborum disceptationis res esset, quid foedus Hasdrubalis cum Lutati priore foedere, quod mutatum est, comparandum erat, cum in...
by vir litterarum
Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recommendations for Learning Latin Idiom?
Replies: 23
Views: 7897

The best way to learn and internalize Latin idiom is through prose composition. Buy a copy of Bradley's Arnold Latin Prose Composition and, in spite of the drudgery of some of the passages, keep working through it. Gradually the language and constructions will feel more natural to you.
by vir litterarum
Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Forcellini's Totius Latinitatis Lexicon
Replies: 6
Views: 2960

I noticed the same thing. I tried searching for Forcellini under the title of Smith's volume to no avail. Since it seems that Google Books should have it, I thought it might be somewhere else in the public domain.
by vir litterarum
Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Forcellini's Totius Latinitatis Lexicon
Replies: 6
Views: 2960

Forcellini's Totius Latinitatis Lexicon

Does anyone know if this can be found on the public domain anywhere online?
by vir litterarum
Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Poll
Replies: 3
Views: 1929

Poll

Interested in seeing what grammar is most prevelant among this community of Latin students.
by vir litterarum
Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Xenophon Cyropaedia 1.1
Replies: 2
Views: 1653

Xenophon Cyropaedia 1.1

ἔννοιά ποθ᾽ ἡμῖν ?γένετο ὅσαι δημοκ?ατίαι κατελ?θησαν ὑπὸ τῶν ἄλλως πως βουλομένων πολιτε?εσθαι μᾶλλον ἢ ?ν δημοκ?ατίᾳ, ὅσαι τ᾽ αὖ μονα?χίαι, ὅσαι τε ὀλιγα?χίαι ἀνῄ?ηνται ἤδη ὑπὸ δήμων, καὶ ὅσοι τυ?αννεῖν ?πιχει?ήσαντες οἱ μὲν α?τῶν καὶ ταχὺ πάμπαν κατελ?θησαν, οἱ δὲ κἂν ?ποσονοῦν χ?όνον ἄ?χοντες δι...
by vir litterarum
Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: position of copulative εἰμί
Replies: 0
Views: 1201

position of copulative εἰμί

I was just wondering whether there was any rule for whether copulative εἰμί followed the subject or predicate in certain instances. In the reading I have done, it seems to have a tendency to follow a predicate noun or adjective, but it also seems to commonly follow the subject.
by vir litterarum
Wed May 14, 2008 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Self learning motivation for Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 2797

I would recommend a learning program that uses selections from ancient texts. As long as u are constantly referring to ancient authors as you teach yourself the language, you shouldn't become bored.
by vir litterarum
Thu May 08, 2008 9:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: LIBERTY, LIBERATE, LIBERATOR (English words of Greek origin)
Replies: 17
Views: 18877

You keep mixing up derivatives and cognates. "liber" is not derived from "eleutheros" but rather cognate with it. Both developed concomitantly from Proto-Indo-European. Look at this entry from etymonline.com for "liberal." liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com c.1375, from O.Fr. liberal "...
by vir litterarum
Wed May 07, 2008 5:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: dramatic question
Replies: 2
Views: 1347

?σω can take the genitive when it means "inside"(see Middell-Liddell), so τειχέων is dependent on that. κατά with the accusative can mean "throughout." Without any context, which could change the translation, I would say it means something like, "Having marched inside the walls throughout the city. ...
by vir litterarum
Wed May 07, 2008 5:00 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Etymology Dictionary Online
Replies: 0
Views: 1675

Etymology Dictionary Online

I don't know if this has already been posted, but here's a useful etymology resource.


http://www.etymonline.com/
by vir litterarum
Wed May 07, 2008 4:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Hippocratic Oath
Replies: 2
Views: 1715

I was thinking the same thing about an implied verb of swearing, but wasn't sure because, like u said, there's a future indicative before it, and because there are no future infinitives that follow it. Another problem I had was how to take the prepositional phrases. ει?γειν typically is followed by ...
by vir litterarum
Tue May 06, 2008 9:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Hippocratic Oath
Replies: 2
Views: 1715

Hippocratic Oath

διαιτήμασί τε χ?ήσομαι ?π᾽ ὠφελείῃ καμνόντων κατὰ δ?ναμιν καὶ κ?ίσιν ?μήν, ?πὶ δηλήσει δὲ καὶ ἀδικίῃ εἴ?ξειν.

How is the future infinitive εἴ?ξειν functioning here?
by vir litterarum
Sat May 03, 2008 10:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: CAMPUS, CAMP, CAMPAIGN (English words of Greek origin)
Replies: 3
Views: 7278

"campus" is not a derivative of "campos" but rather cognate with it: Both are derived from the same Proto-Indo-European root. It is important to make that distinction.
by vir litterarum
Thu May 01, 2008 9:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: key to higher school certificate Latin Prose
Replies: 23
Views: 13644

It truly is a paedagogical tragedy that these materials aren't more readily available to students. The Classics community as a whole in my opinion needs to stop foolishly scorning prose composition and once again make it an intrinsic element of the Latin and Greek student's education.
by vir litterarum
Thu May 01, 2008 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: key to higher school certificate Latin Prose
Replies: 23
Views: 13644

I cannot express how grateful I am to you for this. I searched every out-of-print and rare book dealer online I could think of and still couldn't locate this key. I am dumbfounded as to why Nash-Williams' prose composition textbook is kept in print by Bristol Classical Press while the key seemingly ...
by vir litterarum
Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: key to higher school certificate Latin Prose
Replies: 23
Views: 13644

key to higher school certificate Latin Prose

I have scoured literally the entire internet, even going so far as to ask the publisher themselves and look in Library of Congress's catalog, in order to find this book to no avail. Does anyone where I could locate a copy?
by vir litterarum
Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Commentary on Books XXI-XXV of Ab Urbe Condita
Replies: 0
Views: 1239

Commentary on Books XXI-XXV of Ab Urbe Condita

I'm going to be studying These selections from Livy this summer and was wondering whether anyone had any suggestions about a commentary I could use in conjunction with the text.
by vir litterarum
Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin abbreviations
Replies: 3
Views: 1818

thanks for the suggestion. I'll definitely see if my library has a copy.
by vir litterarum
Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin abbreviations
Replies: 3
Views: 1818

Latin abbreviations

Does anyone know of a good reference volume on Latin abbreviations?
by vir litterarum
Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:50 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: functional grammar
Replies: 5
Views: 2281

I think you're right, modus. Dik argues for something called "complex focus" in which more than one constituent combine to receive a quasi-dual focus. In this instance, τοῖσι μὲν ἄλλοισι ἀνθ?ώποισι has contrastive topic function, and χω?ὶς θη?ίων ἡ δίαιτα has complex focus, at least according to my ...
by vir litterarum
Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: functional grammar
Replies: 5
Views: 2281

functional grammar

οἱ ἱ?έες τῶν θεῶν τῇ μὲν ἄλλῃ κομέουσι, ?ν Αἰγ?πτῳ δὲ ξυ?ῶνται. τοῖσι ἄλλοισι ἀνθ?ώποισι νόμος ἅμα κήδεϊ κεκά?θαι τὰς κεφαλὰς τοὺς μάλιστα ἱκνέεται, Αἰγ?πτιοι δὲ ὑπὸ τοὺς θανάτους ἀνιεῖσι τὰς τ?ίχας αὔξεσθαι τάς τε ?ν τῇ κεφαλῇ καὶ τῷ γενείῳ, τέως ?ξυ?ημένοι. [2] τοῖσι μὲν ἄλλοισι ἀνθ?ώποισι χω?ὶς θ...