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by Bert
Fri May 15, 2009 8:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: two languages.
Replies: 7
Views: 3295

Re: two languages.

I would think it depends mostly on how much time you can make available. It would be too much for me.
by Bert
Thu May 14, 2009 10:31 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

ὃ ἦν ἀπ' ἀρχῆς ἦν is a verb of being. Should it be understood that this text implies, based on the word usage here, that ἀρχῆς suggests a time before creation? GTM We sort of came to the conclusion that the focus of this verse was not so much Christ but the evidence that Christ is the Word come in ...
by Bert
Fri May 08, 2009 6:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Printing errors in Pharr book still?
Replies: 8
Views: 7001

Re: Printing errors in Pharr book still?

Mine is correct. copyright year 1985. Printing year 1988 (2nd printing)
by Bert
Wed May 06, 2009 1:35 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

Doing the truth sounds foreign but practicing the truth sounds natural.
by Bert
Sun May 03, 2009 12:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Voicing of 'th' in "thank"
Replies: 5
Views: 2114

Re: Voicing of 'th' in "thank"

occasionally my pronunciation of certain words gets criticized but never "thank you."
by Bert
Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:38 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

I don't think I agree Modus; If the passage is about the declaration instead of about Christ then the seeing, observing, touching and handling doesn't a lot of sense. How do you mean? Just to be clear I'm not saying that it's "what we touched about the gospel" which wouldn't make sense, but "concer...
by Bert
Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:13 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

I wonder if you both are missing something; The message is not just a message about the things concerning the message of life but concerning the message of L ife. και η ζωη εφανερωθη και εωρακαμεν και μαρτυρουμεν και απαγγελλομεν υμιν την ζωην την αιωνιον ητις ην προς τον πατερα και εφανερωθη ημιν....
by Bert
Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:02 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

Bert You quoted: I wonder if you both are missing something; The message is not just a message about the things concerning the message of life but concerning the message of Life. I think that is an excellent thought. It seem to give a fuller understanding to the ideas in the first verse. Just out o...
by Bert
Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:30 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

.......... The thing for me was that the translations I looked at were translating the aorist as perfects as well. Now I know that there are many cases where a Greek aorist is equivalent to an English perfect, but I can't help but think that here the change in tense does make some difference. Thank...
by Bert
Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:16 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

modus.irrealis You asked: What are the reasons for taking λόγος here to be "Word"? That seems to be the mainstream reading, but I read it as just meaning "message" or something similar and so the relative clauses here would simply refer to things about the message of life. Grammatically at least, s...
by Bert
Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:29 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

Let's start here: ὃ ἦν ἀπ' ἀρχῆς, ὃ = Relative pronoun, nominative singular neuter . What was from the beginning. I guess the question I would have is, "why did the writer begin in this manner"? It seems as if the author wasn't speaking of Christ because if the writer were speaking of Christ would ...
by Bert
Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: You might be studying Greek too much...
Replies: 7
Views: 3280

Re: You might be studying Greek too much...

Not Greek, but still an embarrassing language blunder... The other month I was waiting for my appointment at the optometrist, and I was studying Hebrew in the waiting-room. When it came time, I was ushered in to do the test where you cover one eye and read the rows of letters from a distance. It se...
by Bert
Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:05 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

John 1 means the first chapter of the gospel according to John. 1 John is the epistle.
by Bert
Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:56 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Introducing new member
Replies: 4
Views: 1612

Re: Introducing new member

Welcome from me as well.
Paulus, what's a Who-Dat?
by Bert
Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 12010

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

Or: Go ahead, back up.
by Bert
Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 12010

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

I see what you mean, but it's not really the language here that's frustrating -- it's just there's a frustrating side effect of the modern pronunciation. The two words were distinguished when the New Testament for example was written. But still, what's frustrating is how common this confusion is. D...
by Bert
Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 12010

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

In answer to the question: How old are you? someone answers: thirty; he then receives the reply, I'm thirty two. He won't know if the other guy is 32 or 30 too. I think almost every frustrating thing we encounter learning Greek, a Greek would encounter learning English as well.
by Bert
Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 12010

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

One frustrating thing about the Modern Greek pronunciation (when used for Ancient Greek) is that you don't distinguish the forms of ἡμεῖς and ὑμεῖς. It seems to me that in the vast majority of cases, either word makes sense in context, so unless you already know what's being said (or can see it wri...
by Bert
Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 12010

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

χάριν ἔχω. I listened to a few words. I was surprised at the pronunciation of the θ in η αλήθεια. It sounded like it was made with the throat instead of with the tongue and teeth.
by Bert
Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:01 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: study a NT book
Replies: 251
Views: 88308

Re: study a NT book

Ramses quote I'd love to lead this study, but I know by no means enough Greek to do so. Also, it doesn't really matter to me what book we're going to study. I have no problem with you heading this study up. I am sure that those who are more polished in the Greek than I am will offer us guidance in ...
by Bert
Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:23 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: New Group Waiting
Replies: 5
Views: 5121

Re: New Group Waiting

Lex, I think he is out of Valium.
by Bert
Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:19 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Order of cases?
Replies: 36
Views: 29889

Re: Order of cases?

Lex wrote:There are two kinds of people I can't stand. Those who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures, and the Dutch.

:wink:
I agree.... Hey wait a minute! Something not right here.
by Bert
Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: נערָ = παρθένον ?
Replies: 14
Views: 9775

Re: נערָ = παρθένον ?

I think in earlier Greek (Homer) it meant something like a marriageable young woman.
by Bert
Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Order of cases?
Replies: 36
Views: 29889

Re: Order of cases?

Auberon wrote:I don't trust people who use PC's instead of Macs, people who hate cats, people who watch the show Friends, and of course people who prefer any declension order other than N-G-D-Acc-Abl-Voc.
And I don't trust anyone who uses arbitrary standards to judge someone. :D
by Bert
Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:26 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Required Texts for Scholiastae
Replies: 9
Views: 3293

Re: Required Texts for Scholiastae

In spite of your site being named "Aoidoi" you don't seem to be adverse to include narrative because you suggested "Xenophon's bloody Anabasis" yourself. Would you venture into Koine? If so, how about Epictetus?
by Bert
Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49850

Re: Study Group

The mailing list portion of the site exists now: http://textkit.com/mailman/listinfo/pharr-e_textkit.com Visit that and fill out the form to sign up. As a spam-prevention measure, I have to click buttons to approve subscription requests. It just means there may be a few hours between when you sign ...
by Bert
Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49850

Re: Study Group

I will say it looks like this group is going to have two fantastic guides, ...... I agree. I speak from experience. William Annis was one of the three guides when I was a participant in Pharr-a. Adelheid started guiding Pharr-d when I was one of the guides of Pharr-c. -d overtook -c so I often logg...
by Bert
Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:17 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: controversial zues
Replies: 11
Views: 4179

Re: controversial zues

IreneY wrote:"womanizer"
He wasn't fussy there either. Boys would do as well.
by Bert
Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49850

Re: Study Group

jaihare wrote:
Bert wrote:There is still one person who occasionally posts to Pharr-C using the GreekGeek software. It still is on-line but he has to enter the new members I guess.
What's Pharr-C?
The 3rd group to go through Pharr's book.
by Bert
Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:05 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What's everyone reading?
Replies: 60
Views: 19521

Re: What's everyone reading?

We probably can't call Michener's "Hawaii" great literature, but for pure pain it takes at least the first twenty-five pages to even get the islands born. At least Dickens got paid by the word. I haven't read Hawaii. I'm not the one to decide what is great literature and what isn't but I have read ...
by Bert
Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Study Group
Replies: 149
Views: 49850

Re: Study Group

We used to use web-based software for work submissions and correcting, along with an email mailing list, but the author of that hasn't been to Textkit for some time. I can see if he's still around and prepared to support the software. There is still one person who occasionally posts to Pharr-C usin...
by Bert
Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Etymology of "anchor"
Replies: 11
Views: 8361

Re: Etymology of "anchor"

Hi Schnahz Thank you very much for your comments. Well, you are new in this forum. The moderator (annis) did not liked my philological beliefs (they were against those of the mainstream) and he suggested that I should avoid posting in this forum. I have respected that. So, if he will allow me to co...
by Bert
Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:43 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Technologizing Digital Foreigners
Replies: 9
Views: 3216

Re: Technologizing Digital Foreigners

Dealing with computers requires a change in people's habits of thought — a trainable skill. Here are the fundamental rules of computers — computers suck no two computer programmers think the same Hence: computers suck no two computers suck the same I have experienced this and now I feel better, kno...
by Bert
Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek: An Intensive Course
Replies: 8
Views: 11699

Re: Greek: An Intensive Course

For the most part you received helpful replies and one tongue in cheek-play on words sort of reply.
I'm not too sure why you feel snubbed.
by Bert
Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:17 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Duff's Elements of NT Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 13757

Re: Duff's Elements of NT Greek

I guess I am winy. :D No, not at all...your reaction is normal. It's a pain in the keister! I did find that having a lot of prepositions and adverbs dumped on me at once confused me, especially because then they are mostly lacking any context. It is easier to memorize nouns and verbs than prepositi...
by Bert
Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Small question -- what does "in apodeses" mean?
Replies: 8
Views: 2527

Re: Small question -- what does "in apodeses" mean?

Lex wrote:
So, do you have an alternative explanation?
No, I agree it must be a typo. I thought you were answering the question by saying it is the plural of apodosis. Now I see it was YOU who suggested it might be a typo. Sorry.
by Bert
Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Small question -- what does "in apodeses" mean?
Replies: 8
Views: 2527

Re: Small question -- what does "in apodeses" mean?

grdSavant wrote:
Lex wrote:Apodoses is the plural of apodosis.
Yes, of course. I was going to mention that but it seemed obvious.
The question however was about apodeses not apodoses.
by Bert
Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Order of cases?
Replies: 36
Views: 29889

Re: Order of cases?

Some Greek grammars list them nom, acc, gen, dat.
by Bert
Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:45 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Passive MI verb
Replies: 19
Views: 5747

Re: Passive MI verb

Bad choice of words on my part. No, it's not. Not bad as in wrong, but bad as in ambiguous, and therefore potentially misleading (which I've done twice now :P ) Now you are being clear. :) When you wrote -sort of a basic reference- I misunderstood you and thought you meant: ba·sic adj. 2. Of, being...
by Bert
Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Passive MI verb
Replies: 19
Views: 5747

Re: Passive MI verb

I am confused. What do you mean by the "stem" in this case? A single base from which you can derive all verb forms? This rarely works -- there are so many exceptions and mutations that it's more work just memorizing the various different verb tenses, even if understanding the relationships between ...