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by Aetos
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: And another question regarding Hillard and Botting’s elem. exercises.
Replies: 13
Views: 1145

Re: And another question regarding Hillard and Botting’s elem. exercises.

I think you can write it either way, i.e. using the simple dative or with the prepositional phrase ad + obj. Here is the pertinent part of the entry in Lewis & Short for ad : With verbs which denote a giving, sending, informing, submitting, etc., it is used for the simple dat. (Rudd. II. p. 175): li...
by Aetos
Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

δείδω (only attested pres. 1st sing.) = "a present in form, is really a perfect for δέ-δϝο(ι)-α". I see you've found 445 D.! I think what's happening here is the (ι) is being dropped (being followed by a vowel, Smyth 43), which leaves δε-δϝοα, which contracts to δε-δϝω. I'm not certain about this b...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 15
Views: 2109

Re: After Mastronarde

Thanks!
by Aetos
Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

Hi Sean, It's the 2nd perf. of δείδω. The root of δέδια is δϝi- , strong forms δϝει-, δϝοι-. See Smyth 703, 703D.: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0007%3Asmythp%3D703 and http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0007%3Asmythp%3D703%2...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 15
Views: 2109

Re: After Mastronarde

Hi Barry,
I'm currently working through Dickey. Are you referring to the Dickey threads here on Textkit or to other forums?
by Aetos
Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Hecataeus in FGrH
Replies: 2
Views: 454

Re: Hecataeus in FGrH

Hi Mark, I did a little digging-it's fragment 48. Don't know how he came up with 77. Here's a link to Klausen's edition: https://archive.org/details/fragmentascylaci00heca/page/52 If you go to fragment 48 in FrHG, it's there as well. You can click on the "48" and it will take you to an edition of th...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Using Dickey's Intro to the Comp and Analysis of Greek Prose
Replies: 54
Views: 31909

Re: Using Dickey's Intro to the Comp and Analysis of Greek P

Here's how I coded #2 on page 32: τὰ θηρία πολλάκις κακὰ πάσχει ὑπ' ἀνθρώπων. I've recently started Dickey and have just finished the questions for Chapter 3. This was my answer for #2: θηρία πολλάκις ὑπ’ἀνθρώπων (ἔπαθε?)πάσχει κακά . The English sentence is: Wild animals often suffer bad things at...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

I'm not at all certain that Nausicaa would be flattered by a likening to the statue illustrated in Aetos' link. But maybe I'm taking his post too seriously. It was mostly tongue in cheek-although I didn't want to rule out the possibility of Odysseus (or a non-blind Homer) perhaps having seen statue...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

Perhaps Homer was aware of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus and saw this:
https://www.thoughtco.com/artemis-of-ephesus-116920
Or, if he was actually blind, someone described it to him. Supposedly the temple existed as early as 800 BC. Too late for Odysseus, but not for Homer.
by Aetos
Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:52 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

Perhaps a better way to put it would be "creating a positionally long syllable before μέγας". The way to do that is to assume that somehow the μ had been doubled at some point in its history, or perhaps a σ preceded it either naturally or by analogy.
by Aetos
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

Absolutely! Also, instead of "consonant doubling", let's make it "presence of another consonant before μέγας" P.S. And thanks for the compliment! I get my inspiration from you and Seneca. It is a delight to follow the passionate, eloquent and informed dialogue that you two bring to every issue. Keep...
by Aetos
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

I don't see how that bit applies to τε μέγεθός though Monro draws some of his knowledge from La Roche (Homerische Untersuchungen), who lists εἰδός τε μέγεθός τε as an example of lengthening a final short vowel before μ. It is only present in this phrase which is used 4 times in Homer and once in He...
by Aetos
Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question
Replies: 29
Views: 2667

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: No Such Thing as a Stupid Question

This is from Bayfield's Grammatical Introduction to the Iliad, which is drawn mostly from Monro:
https://archive.org/details/bayfieldcommentary001
by Aetos
Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser
Replies: 5
Views: 565

Re: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser

Thanks, Sean You know, I've had that site bookmarked for years, but the only time I used it was when Tufts Perseus was down; at the time, it was a mirror in the true sense of the word, an exact duplicate of the Tufts site. The Philologic platform that they use now is a lot cleaner (thus a lot faster...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser
Replies: 5
Views: 565

Re: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser

I very much like being able to click on a given word in a Perseus text and see its morphology and various meanings and usages. There are some areas, though, where this can lead one down the famous primrose path. For some reason, it doesn't always recognise compound verbs; e.g. I was reading a line i...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser
Replies: 5
Views: 565

Re: searching ancient Greek text in Chromium browser

Hi Hugh, I don't know if you're using ΛΟΓΕΙΟΝ much yet, but you'll find that you can usually type in unaccented Greek words and it will present you with the closest match. You can even type Roman characters and it'll yield the closest Greek match. This obviously is useful when you're trying to quick...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὅτι + optative
Replies: 12
Views: 1258

Re: ὅτι + optative

Ditto!
by Aetos
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140
Replies: 29
Views: 2645

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140

Glad to see you're getting your 5 A Day, Aetos! I think of it as my Mediterranean Diet! Concerning ἀυτή: I didn't want the week to go by without mentioning another aspect of the phrase this word appears in - "ἀμφήλυθε θῆλυς ἀυτή". I've been reading Nagler's Spontaneity and Tradition and in the very...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The Philokalia and Climax
Replies: 6
Views: 752

Re: The Philokalia and Climax

Sorry about that-I should have read a little further down. I had looked at a bunch of modern Greek translations, all in the monotonic system and when I found this with the polytonic typography, I hastily tacked it onto my post without really looking any further. What's more embarrassing is this is t...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:22 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140
Replies: 29
Views: 2645

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140

Odysseus-Mafia Don? Not having watched The Sopranos , I will take it that Tony Soprano embodies these qualities applied by Stanford to Odysseus. I don't know enough about the series to accept or reject the notion, but if Tony Soprano is an archetypical mafia don, then I can't see Odysseus being that...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140
Replies: 29
Views: 2645

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140

Perhaps this will make you feel better about Odysseus- this is Stanford's description of O. in his introduction: " Odysseus : one of the fullest and most versatile characters in literature: a symbol of the Ionic-Greek Everyman in his eloquence, cleverness, unscrupulousness, intellectual curiosity, c...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:53 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The Philokalia and Climax
Replies: 6
Views: 752

Re: The Philokalia and Climax

You've probably already seen this, but here's a link to the Φιλοκαλία: https://greekphilokalia.wordpress.com/2018/09/25/philokalia-pdf/ I've just found this link to the Klimaka: https://www.imaik.gr/?p=6303 So far no luck finding hard copies. If all else fails, Bedwere can help you with getting PDF'...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140
Replies: 29
Views: 2645

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140

I think it's safe to say that Odysseus can expect further hindrance from the bad guys or assistance from the good guys, so in that sense, yes, the presence of either group could have an impact on his personal situation. As far as identifying himself with one side or the other, you're right: it's unc...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140
Replies: 29
Views: 2645

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 119-140

I'm going with simple here: "Where have I landed this time? Is it going to be the bad guys or the good guys?" I think the effect of these lines is to provide a bit of humour, which is not an unknown phenomenon in Homer. He employs it regularly when describing the interplay of the gods. Here's a snip...
by Aetos
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?
Replies: 5
Views: 883

Re: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?

I thought perhaps there was a later edition than that containing the Supplement, but after a little research saw that that edition is the latest, so perhaps they need to correct their punctuation next time round.
by Aetos
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?
Replies: 5
Views: 883

Re: Γ25 - LSJ "εἴπερ" error?

And Leaf's note is "εἴ περ ἄν, even if, B 597".
Ameis - Heintze has the same note referring to B597.
Willcock translates it in his notes as:
"He eats it eagerly (μάλα), even though the dogs and men run at him."
I wonder what the entry looks like in the latest edition of the LSJ.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

It's certainly not the nominative. Qua is indeed an ablative of means (instrumentalis) which is being used to introduce the subordinate clause (...erat intextus)
by Aetos
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

This is the translator putting the Latin sentence into idiomatic English. The sense is still the same - he set about unravelling the rope from the cot. In the Latin sentence, restim (note it's in the accusative)is the object of expedire . grabatulus is the implied subject of erat intextus . "qua (sc...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 4624

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

I've learned to use the Perseus Word Tool with caution, having been burned many, many times!
by Aetos
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

I think intextus actually goes with grabatulus in the previous sentence. He's attempting to unravel the rope (restim), with which (qua) the cot(grabatulus)was made (by interweaving)(erat intextus).
by Aetos
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 4624

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

I think Perseus has it wrong. Final αι in the optative is long, so the accent can only go as far back as the penult.
Smyth §169,§427
by Aetos
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?
Replies: 13
Views: 1909

Re: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?

The Trojan Horse with Steve Reeves (1961) looks O.K. I vaguely remember watching this as a kid, probably 13-14 yrs. old by the time it came to television. It takes a little from the Iliad and the Aeneid. It features Steve Reeves ( of Superman fame)and John Drew Barrymore, so it's a relatively seriou...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace
Replies: 11
Views: 5766

Re: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace

There are several threads that address this topic. To be honest, I'm not familiar with linear reading (although I've a pretty good guess what it entails), but have a look at this thread, which has been active fairly recently:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=68509
by Aetos
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Apposition of place names
Replies: 5
Views: 723

Re: Apposition of place names

I don't know if there's an actual list comparing the use of appositive genitives to the use of nominative nouns in apposition or adjectives formed from nouns, all with respect to place names, except to say that both are used in Latin, which I think you already know. Here's what A&G have to say conce...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 4501

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

The first of the two lower registers, keyed to the verse numbers, presents comparable entries in other texts and suchlike.
This register, then would be the "apparatus comparandorum"?
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 4501

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

Here's a more colourful version of the beginning of Book 6:
https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/digli ... 0102/image
This is manuscript P in Dindorf.
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Apposition of place names
Replies: 5
Views: 723

Re: Apposition of place names

And can we be sure vosego is not an adjective? If you check Lewis&Short, you'll see that Vosego is the ablative of Vosegus, which is a masc. noun meaning a specific chain of mountains in Gaul. (The modern name is Vosges), so it is definitely standing in apposition to monte. There is no adjectival f...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Apposition of place names
Replies: 5
Views: 723

Re: Apposition of place names

In Allen & Greenough, check out Para. 282 (Apposition) and para. 426 (an example of apposition of a place name: "Mosa profluit ex monte Vosego"). I think the example exactly fits your question. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0001%3Asmythp%3D282 http://www.perse...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 4501

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

Here's the beginning of Book 6 in the Harleian MS: http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=harley_ms_5674_f002r Here's the page with lines 87-88: http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=harley_ms_5674_f037r It begins 7 lines from the top. If you look to the right of this line, you will see...
by Aetos
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:48 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 4501

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

Seneca,
You probably know it already, but if not, you're looking for H5674.
Here's what I found:
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDispla ... 74&index=0