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by Aetos
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Reconstruction of Ancient Greek Music
Replies: 4
Views: 1898

Re: Reconstruction of Ancient Greek Music

2 You tube videos that I particularly enjoyed were:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d31jgilfzgQ (the Seikilos Song) and
Peter Pringle's replica of the kithara. The music is absolutely beautiful.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adj7Xoo9Us
by Aetos
Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:52 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?
Replies: 4
Views: 1591

Re: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?

Hi ἑκηβόλε, I'd have to agree that simplification was certainly a prime motivator for going to the monotonic system. The old polytonic system just wasn't needed anymore, especially with the phasing out of Katharevousa. To be honest, I've never really used back writing either, but it is a good way to...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

I'm running out of time, my friend. I have to go perform more mundane tasks, like washing dishes, mowing the lawn, weeding the garden, etc.. I've enjoyed our little chat and hope that sharing my views on the question will perhaps give you something else to consider as you gain an understanding of th...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

By the way, would you believe this use of the neuter accusative plural still exists in Modern Greek? In the Pontian dialect, if you want to say "very much" or "a lot", you use "πολλά". In the primary dialect, one uses--you guessed it! -- an adverb "πολύ".
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

A literal translation thus would be the one produced by an application like Google translator. Does Google translator demonstrate a good knowledge of Greek? I'm guessing that's a "rhetorical question". As with any translation aid, Google translate or for that matter any bilingual dictionary must be...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

Hi, I just saw your following posts. When I say "literal", I mean word for word and faithful to the original text. In the original expression "τίπτει πολλά", we have a verb in the 3rd p. singular, followed by a plural neuter adjective. Now if I were a 4th century B.C. Greek, upon hearing this phrase...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

Here's another example of what I'm trying to say. In French, there is an expression that goes like this: J'en ai vu trente-six chandelles! Literally translated into English, it would mean "I've seen thirty six candles". Of course you'll never hear that in English; instead, in that same situation you...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

I don't believe that using the adverbial phrase in this case would infer anything about one's understanding of the construction. Someone familiar with Greek reading the translation would simply assume that the translator chose not to make a literal translation; conversely, if this person saw the lit...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: internal accusative/object
Replies: 34
Views: 4604

Re: internal accusative/object

I think how you translate the Greek cognate accusative depends on the audience you're translating for: Those who don't understand Greek, but do understand English will appreciate a less stilted expression employing an adverbial phrase, as opposed to an adjectival phrase. Those who do understand Gree...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:26 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The use of the theta passives in the middle-passive system.
Replies: 39
Views: 7024

Re: The use of the theta passives in the middle-passive syst

I’m afraid you’re unlikely to find anyone here who will even try to figure out what you mean and give it real consideration.* A catablepas finds it hard to raise his head above the ground. Though I won’t properly engage with them myself (I’m pulling back from textkit) I do want to say that I think ...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: The use of the theta passives in the middle-passive system.
Replies: 39
Views: 7024

Re: The use of the theta passives in the middle-passive syst

Because zeta eta theta, and he's afraid he might be next...
He should be afraid, very afraid! :lol:
by Aetos
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Autobiography of a goose quill, by T.S.Evans
Replies: 16
Views: 4660

Re: Autobiography of a goose quill, by T.S.Evans

Hi Anthony,
Thanks for the reply. I enjoy the poems you find and post. Finding all the OCR errors in the "Brook" was fun. My last foray into Latin poetry was reading Horace and Catullus back in college, quite a long while back.
by Aetos
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:33 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Autobiography of a goose quill, by T.S.Evans
Replies: 16
Views: 4660

Re: Autobiography of a goose quill, by T.S.Evans

Hi Anthony, I found the book by Evans, ed. by Waite. "Latin & Greek Verse". In the Memoirs, the Rev. Dr. Waite mentions a poem titled "An Agnostic in the Hayfield". He states that it was highly popular and had been published elsewhere, so did not include it in the book. Have you come across it anywh...
by Aetos
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:41 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1123385

Re: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)

κατὰ θέρος ἔκαστον τῇ Ἑλλάδι προσπίπτουσι τὰ πυρά, ἀλλὰ τῆτες ἀπώλεσαν τὰ πλεῖστα.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Praeneste Fibula
Replies: 3
Views: 1893

Re: Praeneste Fibula

Hi Barry, Going to the Wikipedia article confirming the authenticity of the jewel, I checked the references and found this: https://www.academia.edu/1290713/Scientists_declare_the_Fibula_Prenestina_and_its_inscription_to_be_genuine_beyond_any_reasonable_doubt_ I, for one, like electron microscopes! ...
by Aetos
Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?
Replies: 14
Views: 2698

Re: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?

Hi Aete, That's 20 more years of Greek than me. I started with an interest in Greek, and rather than staying synchronically classical and doing Latin, I moved diachronically into Modern Greek. That foray forward in the language only lasted for about 12 years though. For early exploration of compute...
by Aetos
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?
Replies: 14
Views: 2698

Re: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?

Με συγχωρείς, ἑκηβόλε! Στο ἄρσην και στο θῆλυς έχεις απόλυτο δίκαιο και δεν το αμφισβητώ καθόλου. Απλώς έριξα μια ματιά στο LSJ και στο λεξικό του Σταματάκου και βρήκα το "αρσενικός" και το "θηλυκός". Στη βιασύνη μου, δεν διάβασα τα ολόκληρα άρθρα. Την αναφορά στον Μπαμπινιώτη έκανα λόγο της ορθογρα...
by Aetos
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?
Replies: 14
Views: 2698

Re: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?

ἑκηβόλος wrote:Aetos wrote:θηλυκός
φίλε μου ἑκηβόλε,
σ'ευχαριστώ! Λές και ἐπαθα δυσλεξία; αλλά τώρα είδα πως άλλαξες το μήνυμα. θά'λεγα αν πέφτω έξω όμως πέφτει και ο Μπαμπινιώτης μαζί!
by Aetos
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?
Replies: 14
Views: 2698

Re: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?

In modern Greek grammars, the point is actually emphasized that gender with respect to nouns is grammatical. With many animals, the neuter gender is used and then modified with the appropriate adjective (αρσενικός, θηλυκός), although there many animals that are named only with the feminine gender an...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:33 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Book 6 of the Greek Anthology in Loeb
Replies: 1
Views: 1217

Re: Book 6 of the Greek Anthology in Loeb

Hi,
This link should take you to the LCL #67 on Google. This is the 1916 version. It may be the older version, but at least the epigrams you're interested in are available.

https://books.google.com/books?id=XFKEAAAAIAAJ
by Aetos
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?
Replies: 4
Views: 1591

Re: Stroke order for accented and iota subscript characters?

Hi ἑκηβόλε, This may not answer your question, but I'm not sure that much importance was placed on stroke order. In writing modern Greek before the monotonic system, I had friends that would sometimes write entire paragraphs, (even letters-ἐπιστολάς) and then go back and apply the appropriate accent...
by Aetos
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:51 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1123385

Re: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)

χαῖρε, ὦ φίλτατε Μάρκε! ἐλεύσηται ὑμῖν ἡ ἀνακούφισις! ἐνθάδε σἠμερον τέλος ἔχουσιν τὰ ἤματα τα ἤπια. αὔριον ἐπάνεισι τὸ καῦμα σὺν τῇ ὑγρότητι. διατελεῖ ὁ κύκλος.
by Aetos
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:07 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1123385

Re: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)

Aetos wrote:ἤδη ἀκούω τὰ βροντήματα.
ὦ χαῖρε, φίλτατε. χαίρω δ' ἰδών σε ἐν τούτῳ τῷ τόπῳ γράφοντα. βροντὴν μὲν ἤκουσας. ἀστραπὴν δ' εἶδες?[/quote]

χαῖρε, ὦ φίλε Μάρκε·
σοὶ χάριν τῆς εὐνοῦ ὑποδοχῆς ἔχω·
μανθάνω τὴν γλῶσσαν τὴν ἀρχαῖαν ἀπὸ τῆς βίβλου τοῦ Clyde Pharr.
καὶ ἀστραπὴν εἶδον!
by Aetos
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?
Replies: 8
Views: 1989

Re: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?

Χαίρε, ὦ φίλε ἑκηβόλε, Thanks for finding that information! I'm still very much a beginner in Ancient Greek (I have about a year of Homeric Greek) Most of my experience is with Modern Greek, which I started learning when I was 10 (57 years ago!) I did have to learn the accents and breathing marks be...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Hi Joel, When I followed the link to the announcement, there was no English translation (yet), so what you see is my own translation of the announcement, so I figured I'd take it on the chin for "multidimensional space" but I couldn't think of anything better. I think what they are trying to express...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Shoot! And here I was, getting ready to discuss the multiverse and various other planes of existence :lol:
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Yeah, I couldn't remember my numbers, so I looked it up in Smyth, which had the numbering I'm familiar with from the New Testament.(14= ιδ') Also, I wasn't sure which book Odysseus' address to Eumaeus was in. I should have looked it up. πολυδιάστατος=multidimensional.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?
Replies: 8
Views: 1989

Re: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?

Hi npc,
I can see how they might have had a problem with it as the solution would have been to put the whole word in caps "ΗΙΚΕΙ" or not capitalize the word at all "ᾔκει". But then, I don't really know what the convention is for a word that starts with a capitalized letter that has an iota subscript.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Beginner at Latin
Replies: 9
Views: 2201

Re: Beginner at Latin

Hi Chris, Randy, Barry et al., You can add me to that list of retirees as well. I had 5 years of Latin doing the traditional progression of Caesar, Cicero, Virgil then Catullus and Plautus. That was 48 years ago. You can imagine how much I remember, so I've started over with Caesar (after an intensi...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:19 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Oldest Attested Homer Text?
Replies: 3
Views: 1640

Re: Oldest Attested Homer Text?

Hi Barry,
I posted a translation of the original announcement on the Homeric board in case you're interested. Modern Greek is how I got started with this whole classics thing!
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Hi Paul,
My previous post should give you a little more to work with. The key term is "προκαταρκτική χρονολόγηση" which means preliminary dating, so nothing has really been confirmed yet. It's one of those "if it is, then it would be" kind of statements.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:53 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Here's the translation (Michael Silver can probably do better): During the carrying out of surface and geoarchaeological research within the framework of the three year research program titled "The Multidimensional Space of Olympia" which is taking place at locations around the temple under the dire...
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Earliest text of the Odyssey?
Replies: 17
Views: 3897

Re: Earliest text of the Odyssey?

Nope, it's quite proper "νεοελληνικά". There should be the particle "να" in the preceding text, as "χρονολογηθεί" is being used as a passive infinitive. So, "to be dated back to Roman times and probably before the 3rd century A.D." The more common form of "πιθανώς" is "πιθανόν", but both are used.
by Aetos
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?
Replies: 8
Views: 1989

Re: What is the imperfect of αἰτέω?

Hi ἑκηβόλε,
There should be an iota subscript with the H, so it should look like this: ᾔτει. They have it right in the vocabulary tool.
by Aetos
Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:14 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Preparation for passage based crosswords
Replies: 12
Views: 3364

Re: Preparation for passage based crosswords

ὦ φίλε ἑκηβόλε, σοὶ ἔχω χάριν τοῦ περὶ ἐμέθεν προσφιλὴν μνείαν ποιεῖσθαι. ἀναγιγνώσκων τὴν Ιλιάδα, εὑρῆκα τὸν γε λόγον·
"ἦ πολὺ λώϊόν ἐστι κατὰ στρατὸν εὐρὺν Ἀχαιῶν
δῶρ' ἀποαιρεῖσθαι..."
by Aetos
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: δαιτός - whose or what's teeth are the sawyers?
Replies: 4
Views: 1535

Re: δαιτός - whose or what's teeth are the sawyers?

I'm guessing that when Tom (Sawyer) wasn't using it, it might have been a kitchen utensil or dinner tool used much the same way as we use serrated knives. This is strictly a guess, but I think it could be interpreted this way.
by Aetos
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:44 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Tennyson's Brook
Replies: 14
Views: 3545

Re: Tennyson's Brook

Aetos, I’m surprised if Evans used u not v for the consonant. And on your PPS: wouldn’t sed or at before semper iturus eo (3x) give quite the wrong sense? Colon is exactly right. Believe it or not, he did or at least his printer did. As to the colon before semper iturus eo, I quite agree; it makes ...
by Aetos
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)
Replies: 3290
Views: 1123385

Re: What's the weather like today (Ἑλληνιστί)

ὦδε δι'ἔτους ἐβδόμου καὶ δεκάτου ἐξεγείρονται οἱ τέττιγγες ἡμῖν ἀείδοντες. μακρὸν χρόνον ἡμῶν ἄπεισιν οὐδ' ἀκούομεν τὴν σφὴν ᾠδήν.
by Aetos
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Preparation for passage based crosswords
Replies: 12
Views: 3364

Re: Preparation for passage based crosswords

ἑκηβόλος wrote:
Aetos wrote:πρῶτος = ὁ πρεσβύτατός ἐστιν
ἡ ἀρχή, ᾗ ἀκολουθοῦσιν πάντες οἱ ἄλλοι.
ὅ βλέπομεν ἢ ἀκούομεν πρὸ τῶν ἄλλων.
αἱ φραδαὶ αἱ σαὶ λωΐονες
by Aetos
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:03 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Tennyson's Brook
Replies: 14
Views: 3545

Re: Tennyson's Brook

~~~~~~~~~~~ Qua stabulant fulicae, qua deUolat ardea, saltu inde dato liquidas ordior ire uias ; emicat inde Meus filicem fons inter opacam per uallem queRUlis obstrepiturus aquis. triginta obliquus trepido decurrere colles aut medius furtim per iuga lapsus eo : praeuehor oppidulum, bis dena mapalia...