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by Tugodum
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.
Replies: 2
Views: 150

Re: DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.

Thanks, καταδείξασθαι would certainly fit, and this is the emendation that Patrologia Graeca suggests (indicating, also, that some mss. read καταδήσασθαι) yet I'm wondering what the competent editor, Beate Regina Suchla, might have had in mind as she chose not to follow this suggestion.
by Tugodum
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.
Replies: 2
Views: 150

DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.

Ἔστω δὲ καὶ νῦν ἡμῖν ὁ τῶν λογίων θεσμὸς προδιωρισμένος τὸ τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἡμᾶς καταδείσασθαι τῶν περὶ θεοῦ λεγομένων «οὐκ ἐν πειθοῖς σοφίας ἀνθρωπίνης λόγοις, ἀλλ’ ἐν ἀποδείξει» τῆς πνευματοκινήτου τῶν θεολόγων «δυνάμεως». καταδείσασθαι is not found elsewhere in the TLG corpus. The only analysis of i...
by Tugodum
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

Thanks to all who responded! It makes perfect sense now.
by Tugodum
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Re: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

qua (sc. grabulatus) ... "which was..." But "grabatulus" is masculine, so, on this reading, "qua" should be taken, rather, as an ablative of means, agreeing with "restim," right? Strangely, the Loeb translation still seems to have taken the subject of "intextus" to be "restis": "With these words I ...
by Tugodum
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:49 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16
Replies: 7
Views: 876

Apuleius, Metamorphoses 1.16

"restim, qua erat intextus, aggredior expedire"--How does masculine "intextus" fit here?
by Tugodum
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending
Replies: 8
Views: 708

Re: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending

Oh, thanks! I should have searched better.
by Tugodum
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἡττᾶσαι (post-Classical)--why doesn't the -σ- drop out?
Replies: 3
Views: 407

ἡττᾶσαι (post-Classical)--why doesn't the -σ- drop out?

From Evagrius (4th cent. AD), De oratione , 41 (in the critical edition by Paul Géhin): Ὅρα, εἰ ἀληθῶς Θεῷ παρέστηκας ἐν τῇ προσευχῇ σου ἢ ἐπαίνῳ ἀνθρωπίνῳ ἡττᾶσαι καὶ τούτον θηρᾶν ἐπείγῃ, ὥσπερ ἐπικαλύμματι κεχρημένος τῇ παραστάσει τῆς προσευχῆς. TLG gives "pres subj/ind mid-pass 2nd sg [byz/demoti...
by Tugodum
Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending
Replies: 8
Views: 708

Re: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending

Thanks a lot!
by Tugodum
Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending
Replies: 8
Views: 708

Re: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending

I do not see it under ἕζομαι in LSJ, nor even in Cunliffe. So, I infer that it must be regular. But do any grammar books mention this form of 1st pl pres ind mp?
by Tugodum
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending
Replies: 8
Views: 708

-σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending

E.g., ἑζόμεσθ᾽ in Sophocles, OT 32. Perseus says "epic poetic," and I believe it, yet am wondering whether there is any regularity about it, as I failed to find anything to this effect in Smyth.
by Tugodum
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:01 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Met. 2.1
Replies: 4
Views: 749

Re: Apuleius, Met. 2.1

Thanks a lot! It's a relief to learn that my puzzlement is valid :) ... and a shame that Ellen D. Finkelpearl doesn't address this in her annotations.
by Tugodum
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Met. 2.1
Replies: 4
Views: 749

Re: Apuleius, Met. 2.1

Thanks!!! This answers most of my questions. The one that remains is what verb exactly is qualified by the adverb "quo/qua"? Is it "celebrentur"? I.e., "media Thessaliae loca" is the place where "artis magicae nativa cantamina...celebrentur"? But, if so, how does this square with the claim that they...
by Tugodum
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Apuleius, Met. 2.1
Replies: 4
Views: 749

Apuleius, Met. 2.1

The edition provided by Perseus has: "...reputansque me media Thessaliae loca tenere, qu o artis magicae nativa c o ntamina totius orbis consona ore celebrentur"; the one in An Apuleius reader : selections from the Metamorphoses by Ellen D. Finkelpearl: "... reputansque me media Thessaliae loca tene...
by Tugodum
Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

p.s. Am not sure, though, whether or not the "doch" makes it negative... A bit further, at 332 b4, where “πάνυ μὲν οὖν” undoubtedly indicates agreement, he renders it as just "Allerdings."
by Tugodum
Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

I've looked up Schleiermacher's translation; if my understanding of his German is correct, he takes it as an expression of agreement: – Also ist das auch nicht die rechte Erklärung der Gerechtigkeit, Wahrheit reden und was man empfangen hat wiedergeben. – Allerdings doch o Sokrates, sagte Polemarcho...
by Tugodum
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

What you cited is just a part of the statement to which “πάνυ μὲν οὖν” is the response; I'm not sure why you consider this part, not the whole statement (including "οὐκ ἄρα"), the expression of a "sentiment."
by Tugodum
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

But what, then, is exactly the "sentiment" that "οὐκ ἄρα..." expresses and “πάνυ μὲν οὖν” at 331d affirms?
by Tugodum
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

But what is it that might possibly prevent one from (mis-)taking πάνυ μὲν οὖν at 331d for an expression of an agreement with οὐκ ἄρα? One does not know at that point what dictum by Simonides Polemarchus has in mind.
by Tugodum
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

Re: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

My French is not good enough for me to see how "mais si" can possibly fit any of the two contexts under question.
by Tugodum
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: “πάνυ μὲν οὖν”
Replies: 11
Views: 1499

“πάνυ μὲν οὖν”

In Plato's R 330 d1, it seems to be an expression of a complete agreement with the interlocutor, whereas at 331 d 4--of a complete disagreement. If my understanding of its respective functions in those passages is correct, can anyone suggest an explanation for this locution's capacity to signify suc...
by Tugodum
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:28 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?
Replies: 10
Views: 1144

Re: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?

Someone suggested to me that "numerosum" here might be refering to the exponential telescoping of the number of words in adverbial units:
χθὲς - 1
εἰς Πειραιᾶ -1*2=2
μετὰ Γλαύκωνος τοῦ Ἀρίστωνος - 2*2=4
by Tugodum
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?
Replies: 10
Views: 1144

Re: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?

OIC. Thanks, Joel.
by Tugodum
Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?
Replies: 10
Views: 1144

Re: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?

1. Very interesting! I'm wondering what it is precisely that makes these 4 words (in this order) sound "rhythmically". I am used to thinking of rhythmicality as implying a repetition of some pattern, which I do not see here. 2. "It would be interesting to have Aristotle’s."--Is the now prevailing vi...
by Tugodum
Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?
Replies: 10
Views: 1144

Re: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?

Thanks a lot!
by Tugodum
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?
Replies: 10
Views: 1144

is the beginning of Plato's R. metered?

Leo Strauss says so: "Let us see how it begins. It begins in this way, and here I give you a literal translation. “Down I went yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston, in order to pray to the goddess; and at the same time desiring to see the festival and how they will do it, since t...
by Tugodum
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 1st Catilinarian II.4
Replies: 2
Views: 509

Re: 1st Catilinarian II.4

Got it, thanks!
by Tugodum
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 1st Catilinarian II.4
Replies: 2
Views: 509

1st Catilinarian II.4

"Similī senātūs cōnsultō C. Mariō et L. Valeriō cōnsulibus est permissa rēs pūblica: num ūnum diem posteā Lūcium Sāturnīnum tribūnum plēbis et Gāium Servilium praetōrem mors ac reī pūblicae poena remorāta est?" Why are "Lūcium Sāturnīnum tribūnum" and "Gāium Servilium praetōrem" in the accusative he...
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

"you won’t find many better readers of Plato than Burnet"--Perhaps Slings believes he is one of them, as his reading of the passage that I cited differs from Burnet's :) mwh, if you had quitted after your first comment, I would have missed this chance to learn from you. Sorry that the fact that I di...
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

P.S. Your explanation of this construction as epexegetic, mwh, makes the case perfectly clear to me. Thanks again.
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

Thanks, mwh. I never doubt the experts' views when they are unanimous. Yet I assume that they had reasons for their decisions and that one's wish to figure out, whenever possible, those reasons is valid and does not necessarily interfere with one's pace of reading Plato. To boot, Kenneth Quandt beli...
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

Thanks, Hylander. Now, as you've mentioned the "plural of modestly," why would you exclude this in Cephalus' case? I agreed to the "royal we" earlier for lack of better expression but modestly (albeit a fake one, as is everything about Cephalus) was what I meant. As for R., I'm still intrigued by th...
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

"With ἐστι, the construction is ἐστι + inf., or "it is possible to"?"--Thanks, Joel. This is what I thought Plato meant. But would it not, should this be the case, better for ἐστι to be accented (as it is in all the mss, judging by Burnet's apparatus as explained by mwh)? And if so, why would Burnet...
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

P.S. I understand that Plato did not write any diacritics. So, perhaps, instead of "what Plato actually wrote" I should have asked what force of εστι Plato plausibly had in mind here.
by Tugodum
Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

Thanks for sharing, dear Randy. I'm totally on the same page with you as regards both my age and my perception of Cephalus, and am grateful for the West reference. Yet the point of my posting was not to learn textual criticism but to learn, with some degree of plausibility, what Plato actually wrote...
by Tugodum
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

RandyGibbons--You're raising good questions, of the kind I was intending eventually to raise myself, so as to see what people think, but mwh discouraged me from doing into this before I read the first eight books of the R, at the very least. At any rate, here is the passage in the new OCT edition by...
by Tugodum
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

"a better thing to wonder might be which of your respondents was right in his reply to your first question"--mhw, as I had read your response, it seemed certain to me that jcabraham says the same. Prompted by you, I have re-read their response several times, and now it seems to me that, according to...
by Tugodum
Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:35 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

Re: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

Thanks! Now I'm wondering whether the mss. do have στι and, if so, why Burnet printed στι in his main text instead.
by Tugodum
Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?
Replies: 20
Views: 1870

what does "secl. ci." in a criticall apparatus mean?

I mean, in particular, Burnet's to Plato, R. 329 d1 (in the Old OCT): "ἔστι secl. ci. Stallbaum". Thanks in advance!
by Tugodum
Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἡμεῖς used as singular?
Replies: 13
Views: 1374

Re: ἡμεῖς used as singular?

Not that the switch "surprised" me. I just wanted to double check which of the two meanings is (more) plausible. Thanks to all for your help.