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by Alison Rowan
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:12 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 'Aorist Imperative' Interpreting I Jn 5:21
Replies: 19
Views: 11438

Re: 'Aorist Imperative' Interpreting I Jn 5:21

Thanks again guys for clearing up my own confusion with the Eph 4 passage. I even wrote in brackets the infinitive forms, but had an (autistic) fixation that they were imperatives! You are all so helpful with your access to so many good resources and your own great working knowledge of the language....
by Alison Rowan
Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:51 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 'Aorist Imperative' Interpreting I Jn 5:21
Replies: 19
Views: 11438

Re: 'Aorist Imperative' Interpreting I Jn 5:21

The explanation given of the more immediate "aspect" is very helpful - thanks mwh. I think I can understand why you say "preferably not a NT grammar," since the theology can interfere with interpretation ... or can it actually help??? On that line, I have another suggestion over the usage of the aor...
by Alison Rowan
Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:56 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Calling all Greek geeks ... what is the Greek word used for jurisdiction ... It obviously has a Latin root, but what of the Greek? If none obviously comes to mind, you already know my thoughts ... and in my own going through the texts of the early centuries, I can't yet see a context for authentia o...
by Alison Rowan
Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:12 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Btw, my contribution to the oude thread would be: Patriarchalists throughout the ages ... and more specifically a branch of reformed theology popular in Calvanistic circles, assert that the PRIMARY element of prohibition is a woman’s authority over a man, then also forbidden are its ramifications - ...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:57 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Sorry accidentally submitted while trying on my phone to paste ... "Lex Cornelia de sicariis et veneficis" of BC 83. This was specifically aimed at stopping self-castration for ascetic religious reasons (especially the priests of Cybele in emulation of the act of Attis, her consort) either by physic...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:38 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Thanks Jeidsath for the link to the oude thread. I read enough to know how much they are all missing a most basic point. ... Who says what SORT of teaching Paul is not permitting "a" single woman to be teaching? Why is it assumed, eisegetically, that it is God's word? It is not in the text, is it? D...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:35 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Agreed, Timothhee, I had wanted to remove the capitals, but had not the facility at the time to edit the post to a more measured question. Unfortunately. I do not speak German - so could you help me there, please? I am currently researching the Macedo-Egyptian Ptolemies and their the very complex re...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:03 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

EUREKA!!! AUTHENTIA MEANS JURISDICTION IN LATER WRITING!!! It works with 1. magistrates 2. masters/slave owners 3. bishops 4. city government eg.the 14th C inscription at Theodora retains this meaning ... it wasn't a LATER development. I have been saying "permission to slay/punish", but it is bette...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

As a separate, note, thanks for putting up 1 Tim 2:11-15. Did you know that the 2011 ISV, is the first translation to acknowledge the violent connotation intended in Paul's use of authentein? I still think they should have paid even more attention to the specific circumstances of the social and hist...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:28 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

THANK YOU!! That was meant to be translation by the NRSV, or NET or any other attempt at making sense of the passage. R H Charles must have been quoting another 19 th Century translation, but one with which the NRSV basically agreed. I agree with Charles that status/disposition, congress from diaph...
by Alison Rowan
Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:52 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

THANKS for the headsup, Jeidsath. I had, in fact looked in vain for an online translation of the NRSV, after seeing that partial quotation taken from a pdf of Linda Belleville's article "Exegetical Fallacies in Interpreting 1 Tim 2:11-15." It was not clear that she herself, was not quoting the NRSV,...
by Alison Rowan
Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:37 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Thanks for the headsup, Jeidsath. I had, in fact looked in vain for an online translation of the NRSV, after seeing that partial quotation taken from a pdf of Linda Belleville's article "Exegetical Fallacies in Interpreting 1 Tim 2:11-15." It was not clear that she herself, was not quoting the NRSV,...
by Alison Rowan
Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:18 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Apologies for both the long wait and the long weight for this document, but here it is ... Aὐθεντία in 3 Maccabees 2:29 - analysing the NRSV and LDL Brenton translations The Text in Greek (ca. 100 BC) - thought to have been written after the reign of Ptolemy VIII. This is the inscription upon the pi...
by Alison Rowan
Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:42 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Mwh, I appreciate you filling me in with the background to the piece, thank you. I bow to your superior knowledge and expertise. I had written up some preliminary thoughts about 3 Macc in a Googledoc for some others to review. None of them have enough expertise, so I came here to you. I had forgotte...
by Alison Rowan
Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:11 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Yes, I had not noticed it was mwh who had told me to forget entea - sorry Jeidsath. Timothee, You have been so helpful - thank you, since I had tried to go back again to the link you gave me earlier and it did not load for me. That must have taken a while to type ... I'm humbled that you've made suc...
by Alison Rowan
Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:27 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

Dont worry, Jeidsath, I have discarded ἔντεα now that I have a translation of Frisk's lexicon ... θείνω is FAR the correct word ... (I did mention that, btw and will adjust my future writing to say this). I was saying "Semantic Family" meaning a "different Etymology" ... knew there was an "official"...
by Alison Rowan
Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:53 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

OK Jeidsath, thanks. Even when I had access only to the 19th century attempts to derive the words, Frisk has still produced two possible cognate combinations, again with the same basic difference: one is "to accomplish": the other is "to slay." My proposition that there may be two semantic fields re...
by Alison Rowan
Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

Thank you so much guys, for your time and efforts on my behalf. I will take more time on all of these to absorb and chase up the refs. I have already done a few and found my interpretation is indeed viable, but not yet done all. Most of the connotations I am already familiar with. What puzzles me is...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

Following through my proposition that αὐθεντία means "authority to slay," I remembered Jn 18:31: εἶπον αὐτῷ οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι, Ἡμῖν οὐκ ἔξεστιν ἀποκτεῖναι οὐδένα· Were the Jews perhaps saying to Pilate, in effect, "we don't have your αὐθεντία," but because it is phrased as it is, it is not possible to use...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

Ahhhh thank you Polemistes, I had read Jeidsath's reference, but not remembered that it was Frisk's. I don't know any German apart from jah und nein, so a translation would be extremely helpful, thank you - if that is not too much bother. I do understand that the semantic range widened for αὐθεντία ...
by Alison Rowan
Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:41 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

Thank you, Polemistes, I do need reminding that my relative inexperience in the language should be accompanied with a lot more humility. I gratefully receive the correction and take note. Unfortunately, communicating with an appropriate social nuance is not my forte, being high functioning autist (A...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:52 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 2: BREAKTHROUGH!!! TWO αὐθέντης SEMANTIC FAMILIES

ThanksTimothée, I will reread as best I can in my reasonable knowledge of French ... I know I'm no "expert", just working through a hunch and bringing it for your consideration. I'm aware I am coming from a different perspective, but which actually WORKS effortlessy in all the texts I've managed to ...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:57 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

POST 3: αὐθέντια as “Licence to Kill”

In Post 1, I made the observation over the uncertainty expressed in most lexica over the likely cognates and meanings of the αὐθέντης family of words. I followed this in Post 2, with a proposition for the recognition of two entirely separate semantic families and offered my own simplified definition...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:01 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 2: BREAKTHROUGH!!! TWO αὐθέντης SEMANTIC FAMILIES

Hi Jeidsath, When I go to the LSJ for "meanings" of the words, it references the attempts of ENGLISH translations to interpret the Greek. In many instances, I recognise the attempt to squeeze into the text one or both of the predetermined definitions given by Strong. The whole is circular! Neverthel...
by Alison Rowan
Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 2: BREAKTHROUGH!!! TWO αὐθέντης SEMANTIC FAMILIES

Thanks for your interest, but I'm wondering if you had read my first post at all? I am relying on the majority of the lexical scholarship which proposes entea as a likely cognate. I know from them, that entea is armour/arms/fighting equipment. For instance, one version of the birth of Athena is that...
by Alison Rowan
Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:55 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Post 2: BREAKTHROUGH!!! TWO αὐθέντης SEMANTIC FAMILIES

From my own observations - which are bound to have covered insufficient material, it is becoming my suspicion that the attempts to unify all the possible αὐθέντ- words into one family is the cause of the failure to make consistent results. Two cognate pairs are proposed - so why can’t they BOTH be c...
by Alison Rowan
Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:36 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 1: Questions over the definitions of the authent- w

Thanks Timothée and Jaidseth, The Chantraine entry is very thorough - my French is more fluent than my Greek although both leave much to be desired! I am more familiar with the TLG which omits all the papyri entries. Is there not also a difference in the colloquial and the Literary Greek of that per...
by Alison Rowan
Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 1: Questions over the definitions of the authent- w

Yes, agreed the "Ecclesiastical scholars" invariably have some sort of axe to grind and an agenda to prove. That is why I MUCH prefer the independent and theologically disinterested witness of the writings of the common Greek merchant or orator, etc, form which to follow the semantics.
by Alison Rowan
Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:50 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 1: Questions over the definitions of the authent- w

Btw, it was being linked to Andrews post about authentai in Alexander Rhetor which first drew my attention to the existence of textkit. In my next post, I will make my own offering on the understanding of authentai in this piece. I had not encountered the other reference before, so shall read on and...
by Alison Rowan
Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:40 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

Re: Post 1: Questions over the definitions of the authent- w

Yes, you guessed right! I have unearthed a lot of relevant historical cultural evidence of Roman Law, practices of the Megabyzoi prists of Artemis Ephesia, the incursion of ascetic Gnosticism, the type of meetings they held on the public forum of the Hall of Tyrannus, which all contribute to an unde...
by Alison Rowan
Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:40 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: [Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words
Replies: 57
Views: 25579

[Unified Topic] definitions of the authent- words

It may seem rather audacious of me to question the work of such auspicious scholars as Strong, Thayer, Liddell, Scott. Jones, MacKenzie, Vine et.al., yet what they have provided has not always aided a straightforward or semantically homogenous understanding of the uses and meanings of these words. I...
by Alison Rowan
Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:36 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Introducing myself
Replies: 1
Views: 1409

Introducing myself

I was chasing up references to authentes and was linked here to a post on Alexander Rhetor. Having read through the post and very insightful and helpful comments, I decided to join up. I have been conducting my own research into the authent- family through a new approach which separates the adjectiv...