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by rmedinap
Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Acquiring communicative competence
Replies: 4
Views: 1648

Re: Acquiring communicative competence

These items might help: Griechische Stilübungen I. Übungsbuch zur Formenlehre und Kasussyntax Griechische Stilübungen II. Übungsbuch zur Verbalsyntax und Satzlehre Tincani, C. Esercizi di stile e di sintassi greca . Sidgwick. A First Greek Writer , Elementary Greek Prose Composition , Lectures on Gr...
by rmedinap
Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Resquest Latin Books
Replies: 3
Views: 1677

Re: Resquest Latin Books

Aemilius Paulus - F.R. Dale

The series is a great find, I'd be thrilled if anyone found the others.
by rmedinap
Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Macrons
Replies: 1
Views: 1181

Re: Macrons

Change the keyboard layout to ABC-extended, but type "alt" plus "a" and then the vowel.
by rmedinap
Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.
Replies: 37
Views: 18872

Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Have you considered uploading the code in Github? It would make contributions much easier.

EDIT: I hadn't seen Joel's suggestion which I second.
by rmedinap
Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 29089

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

the grammars explanations become "more of the same", just descriptive analyses of the language. That's because they're not really "grammar explanations", they're comprehensible input, meant to be understood, imitated and repeated and variated so that you unconsciously pick up the grammar and can pr...
by rmedinap
Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 29089

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

Although I think this method (the called "Natural (?) Method") miss the grammar, so, most of times, complex construction, verbs with a big variety of use, a lot of morphological construction are not completely absorbed by the student. The method is called the "Nature method" or "inductive contextua...
by rmedinap
Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Latin-Greek Dictionary
Replies: 1
Views: 1080

Re: Latin-Greek Dictionary

This ones are free.

If you want something more modern (maybe not as good) but printed and at a very reasonable price I'd suggest Jean-Michel Fontanier's Le Lexicon: Dictionnaire trilingue français, latin, grec (there's also a smaller version available).
by rmedinap
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What's the use of translations
Replies: 23
Views: 6079

Re: What's the use of translations

Maybe we should clarify something here. A translation of what exactly? What texts do you use to teach beginners? I have in mind a basic, graded text for beginners. Say, Thrasymachus , Athenaze , Reading Greek , Zuntz' Griechischer Lehrgang , Rico's Polis or Beresford & Douglas's A First Greek Reader...
by rmedinap
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What's the use of translations
Replies: 23
Views: 6079

Re: What's the use of translations

Since I've already made my methodological position and didactic principles clear elsewhere I'll simply endorse Barry's position. But I believe some clarifications will be helpful. I do not think anybody (any reasonable person at least) is against translations per se. I believe them to be a valuable ...
by rmedinap
Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Trouble with Young's edition of Theognis
Replies: 4
Views: 3288

Re: Trouble with Young's edition of Theognis

Thank you both very much for your help.

Happy Holidays!
by rmedinap
Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:41 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Trouble with Young's edition of Theognis
Replies: 4
Views: 3288

Trouble with Young's edition of Theognis

So, while reading Young's edition of Theognis I came upon a couple of references I've been unable to track. 1) On his apparatus Young quotes a correction of Semonides 7.27 and attributes it to Wilamowitz. https://image.ibb.co/n9wkpm/Cita_de_Willamowitz_1.jpg https://image.ibb.co/eyGwvR/Nta_will2.jpg...
by rmedinap
Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:12 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Handbook of Latin literature
Replies: 2
Views: 2291

Re: Handbook of Latin literature

Well, the bad news is that almost all important bibliography in classics is in German. There are some translations though. Michael von Albrecht's A History of Roman Literature is excellent. He's probably the most important Latinist alive. Gian Biagio Conte's Latin Literature . I've only consulted it...
by rmedinap
Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:46 pm
Forum: Medieval and Neo-Latin
Topic: Latin Podcasts
Replies: 7
Views: 3917

Re: Latin Podcasts

I am trying to work on bolstering my neo-Latin vocabulary for speaking and would like to find something that talks about, e.g., the news in Latin. I can recommend that you read something written in Neo-Latin. The colloquia are a very good starting point since they usually deal with everyday matters...
by rmedinap
Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:48 pm
Forum: Medieval and Neo-Latin
Topic: Latin Podcasts
Replies: 7
Views: 3917

Re: Latin Podcasts

The best out there is doubtlessly Latinitium . And no, they don't use ecclesiastical pronunciation. But that's no problem, ecclesiastical pronunciation is incredibly easy to learn, just learn Italian pronunciation and there you go. Recently Roberto Carfagni made a recording of the first two chapters...
by rmedinap
Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:10 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Cletus Pavanetto's Graecarum litterarum institutiones
Replies: 2
Views: 2870

Re: Cletus Pavanetto's Graecarum litterarum institutiones

Has anybody used this textbook to learn Greek? Would very much appreciate your comments on this book. I've never heard of Pavanetto's Graecarum litterarum institutiones , thanks for the info, I'll see if I can buy it. Sadly I didn't learn Greek with such a fancy method but I experiment a lot while ...
by rmedinap
Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:24 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Greek colloquies
Replies: 3
Views: 2823

Re: Greek colloquies

How did you come to discover Gómez? I know it from the Vivarium Novum, my Greek teacher there recommended it. It also appears in their bibliography . More information about this kind of material at Hunger's Byzantine Literature (Die hochsprachliche profane Literatur der Byzantiner; it's also been t...
by rmedinap
Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:10 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Greek colloquies
Replies: 3
Views: 2823

Greek colloquies

So I've been searching around for Greek colloquies that I can "easily" adapt for students. There's of course the "common" and excellent material like: Blackie's Greek and English dialogues, for use in schools and colleges Gretser's translation of four of Spanmüller's (Pontanus) Progymnasmata . Johns...
by rmedinap
Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:48 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Favorite Greek Textbooks?
Replies: 13
Views: 9781

Re: Favorite Greek Textbooks?

So, for those people who would prefer not to learn Italian or German first, what would be the best resources in English? From what you've written (although it's a bit difficult to ferret out) you would say JACT and Athenaze (and, yes, we know the English Athenaze is vastly inferior to it's Italian ...
by rmedinap
Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

I do not mind if someone disagrees with me. But I find it remarkably odd that you'd think I'm trolling. I meant every word. Would you say that people in high academic positions like the quoted Matthew Dillon (“The Erasmian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek: A New Perspective.” The Classical World, vol....
by rmedinap
Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

1) It’s never been a good argument that because we cannot be perfect, we shouldn’t try at all. Once again you're right. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't try. All I'm saying is that IF the argument against Modern Greek Pronunciation is going to be "inaccuracy", the "ungreekness" and even "impuri...
by rmedinap
Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

True, but like I said. I'm not saying we should abandon the restored pronunciation. I'm saying we should learn both pronunciations. First the Modern and then the restored one. And you can still respect the metre with Modern Greek, it sounds a bit weird having so many long about but it's not impossib...
by rmedinap
Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Would it be an improvement if he sounded Belgian (or pick your favored nationality)? Actually I have no preferred national sound. I like all languages when spoken by their natives. But I'd be much more understanding and forgiving if those that condemned the Modern Greek weren't so vocal and radical...
by rmedinap
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

isn't that like wanting to hear Shakespeare read by someone with a heavy Brooklyn accent? Yes, yes it is. It’d be interesting to hear for what purpose modern pronunciation of classical texts is felt needed. You're both right beyond any doubt in what you're trying to imply. Modern Greek Pronunciatio...
by rmedinap
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: grammar vs. syntax
Replies: 2
Views: 1325

Re: grammar vs. syntax

I'm not sure it is used as a general rule. But in most of the methods and grammars I've seen (both old and new, and in German, Italian, Spanish and English) the sections or chapters concerning grammar focused on inflections and left all the matters regarding syntax unattended (there's usually an ext...
by rmedinap
Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic
Replies: 44
Views: 11103

Re: Audio for Classical Texts in Demotic

Yes, this guy has recorded some Xenophon, Plato and Homer using Modern Greek Pronunciation.

I'm currently recording a few good anthologies and easy texts I've found around using Modern Greek but you'll have to wait a while to see those.
by rmedinap
Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Composition Exercises
Replies: 41
Views: 20992

Re: Athenaze Composition Exercises

Just curious: Does the Italian version approach composition any differently than does the English version? Although in principle the composition exercises in the book are the same, there are considerably more compositions exercises, the most significant being the inverse translation exercises. What...
by rmedinap
Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learn Greek where
Replies: 1
Views: 1482

Re: Learn Greek where

I recommend above all Gunther Zuntz's Greek Course best complimented with the Athenze or JACT's Reading Greek.

There are a lot of online resources to help about. There's an online school. Various YouTube channels (like here, here and here).
by rmedinap
Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-Latin dictionary?
Replies: 4
Views: 2627

Re: Greek-Latin dictionary?

I also believe that the Hedericus and Schrevelius are still the best tools available. But if you want something more modern (maybe not as good) but printed and at a very reasonable price I'd suggest Jean-Michel Fontanier's Le Lexicon: Dictionnaire trilingue français, latin, grec (there's also a smal...
by rmedinap
Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 27317

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

Reading translations instead of the original is of course not recommended if you're trying to learn Greek, but using good translations of difficult passages in your own language to pinpoint the meaning of the original is much more effective than using dumbed down paraphrases in a language you don't...
by rmedinap
Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 27317

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

The trouble with paraphrases, especially of poetry, is that they destroy what makes the original worth reading. I completely agree but I believe translation is far worse a treason (Traduttore, traditore!). At any rate paraphrasing at least offers the benefit of forcing you to remain in the target l...
by rmedinap
Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 27317

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

I owe to Athenaze a great deal of the the Ancient Greek that I have acquired -there is just not enough of it. I have not obtained the Italian edition but I have read the readings in the workbook. I have been given the impression that most of the extra stuff in the Italian edition found its way into...
by rmedinap
Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Studying Greek + Latin Good Idea?
Replies: 5
Views: 2999

Re: Studying Greek + Latin Good Idea?

I didn't know if sticking to one language might be best, or if doing both simultaneously would be too difficult mentally? That's a very interesting question, in my experience it varies a lot from person to person but there's a constant to which I have seen no exception: the more languages you alrea...
by rmedinap
Sat May 27, 2017 9:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "abs." in LSJ
Replies: 5
Views: 2771

Re: "abs." in LSJ

Yes, abs. means "absolute, absolutely". It's in the V. General List of Abbreviations.
by rmedinap
Fri May 26, 2017 8:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 27317

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

To consciously apply rules when reading is exactly what was being taught during the summer school I attended. It is also the only way I can get to understand any of the extant texts. If Krashen is right, I will not ever acquire Greek reading the extant texts - because I am always focused on the for...
by rmedinap
Wed May 24, 2017 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Suggestions for supplements to Hansen and Quinn
Replies: 1
Views: 1412

Re: Suggestions for supplements to Hansen and Quinn

Yep, I've quoted it repeatedly in many posts like here and here.
by rmedinap
Tue May 09, 2017 4:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Advice requested
Replies: 9
Views: 4481

Re: Advice requested

mwh I find your post, along with Daivid's, helpful in deciding what route I should take. On the verb front, have come to the conclusion that there is no equivalent in Ancient Greek of the helpful <501 (or similar number) Verbs Fully Conjugated> series that exists for many modern languages . Too bad...
by rmedinap
Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Advanced Greek Prose Composition, Donovan
Replies: 4
Views: 2940

Re: Advanced Greek Prose Composition, Donovan

Magnificent! I've taken a quick and superfluous look at it and I like very much what I see, for the reasons already mentioned by daivid. (volume 3 is to be found here by the way, and there's a much nicer version of volume 2 as well.) “Don’t mind the words, translate the ideas,” is a warning to be fo...
by rmedinap
Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is looking up words on perseus on dependency forming?
Replies: 8
Views: 4050

Re: is looking up words on perseus on dependency forming?

There are actually more precise (but sadly slow and relatively expensive) ways to deal with unusual forms. I always try to make my students learn (slowly, and with examples of actual texts) the usual lists of verbs that come at all the good grammars (Like Smyth's List of Verbs, Zinsmeister's Alphabe...
by rmedinap
Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 2 years of Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 6742

Re: 2 years of Greek

Even though I am convinced of the value of reading aloud I have never managed to do it for more than short spurts - it has never become a habit. Might I suggest that you try and teach someone or practice with somebody? Over the years I've become staunchly convinced that one never learns more (and b...
by rmedinap
Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sidgwick's First Greek Writer useful with what?
Replies: 7
Views: 3916

Re: Sidgwick's First Greek Writer useful with what?

I feel that to really learn Greek, I need to absorb the language with an active component. I've collected several greek texts. Some, like Crosby and Schaeffer, seem to have adequate exercises and a key, though I think that text doesn't have enough reading practice. Conversely, several otherwise exc...