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by Timothée
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help
Replies: 16
Views: 4667

Re: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help

A few miscellanous points regarding mainly the terminology: Aci? Was heißt das? Ich habe keine Idee. I’m no German, but I would have said (Ich habe) keine Ahnung . Not saying it’s wrong, but it does have a slightly English (American?) Klang to it (cf. “no idea”). AcI is accusatiuus cum infinitiuo , ...
by Timothée
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Stress or pitch accent ?
Replies: 2
Views: 1676

Re: Stress or pitch accent ?

Stress accent, probably. There are mentions of pitch accent in some authors, but Allen thinks they represent “slavish” misapplication of Greek sources and terminology. In addition, the history and development of Latin support the stress accent. In other words, wherever the effect of accent can be ob...
by Timothée
Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help
Replies: 16
Views: 4667

Re: one setence from Tacitus' Annales, help

Participium coniunctum is a participle that is used as an apposition. Conversely, I think that an apposition is particularly commonly a participle in Latin, more commonly than a noun or “normal” adjective. In English (as in some other languages, as well) one has to use different constructions to tr...
by Timothée
Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: cum sex annos natus essem
Replies: 7
Views: 2863

Re: cum sex annos natus essem

I don’t have the book, but the logic does point to cum historicum (which governs conjunctive past or pluperfect), here with essem. Cum historicum is very common, used in narration which takes place in the past. ‘When I was six years old, — —.’
by Timothée
Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thanks
Replies: 154
Views: 29380

Re: Asking help for answers

Better to use more general grammars for reference, as Ancient Greek is much more than just the New Testament. (As for the use of the article in Greek and English and the comparison between the two languages, this kind of thread isn’t a place for blowing one’s own trumpet with bagatelles, as the only...
by Timothée
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Present Participles
Replies: 9
Views: 2570

Re: Present Participles

" 'Mārce! Māne est!' Eō modō excitātur Mārcus, et oculōs aperiēns servum apud lectum stantem videt." " 'Marcus! It's morning already!' Marcus was woken up in that way, and he, who is opening his eyes, sees the slave which is standing by the bed." Note the tense of excitatur . In addition, it can me...
by Timothée
Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:10 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 4111

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

mwh wrote:Didn’t I see you posted questions on the chorus’ section, or am I imagining that?
Scroll a little down the subject list of this forum. There have been messages posted to many other different threads in the meantime, so it has slightly disappeared.
by Timothée
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: The origin of the alphabet
Replies: 6
Views: 4036

Re: The origin of the alphabet

Many letter-names clearly have a meaning, and their appearance shows the pictorial force. Most famous case is of course A, which still to this day does look like a ‘bull/ox’ (Akkadian alpu , Ugaritic alp ). Then B comes from a word for ‘house’ (Arabic بیت bayt ), and O from a word for ‘eye’ (Arabic ...
by Timothée
Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thanks
Replies: 154
Views: 29380

Re: Asking help for answers

I hear very little wrong in your reading, very good! Two points however: 1. ἦν στρατηγός. You translate, “He was the general.” 6. τ ῷ στρατηγ ῷ — —. I hear you pronounce these endings differently from each other. Pronounce the ending in τ ῷ the same way you pronounce the ending in στρατηγ ῷ , and th...
by Timothée
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:40 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: The origin of the alphabet
Replies: 6
Views: 4036

Re: The origin of the alphabet

The best we can surmise is that the alphabetic order arose at the same time when the alphabet was invented, perhaps devised by the inventor. It seems clear that the superiority of the alphabet was noticed at once. An important term here is acrophonetism: there were originally signs/pictures for word...
by Timothée
Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: help with Greek scholia
Replies: 18
Views: 5558

Re: help with Greek scholia

Lest anyone be misguided, the name of the author of Ancient Greek Scholarship is Eleanor Dickey. She has featured (deservedly) quite a lot on Textkit, particularly on the occasion of her book on Greek composition. I see that she thanks some familiar names in the preface of her book.
by Timothée
Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 4111

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

Sadly I couldn’t find the Moorhouse syntax anywhere to buy. This is very unfortunate. A publisher the name of which I won’t mention due to its loathsome and greedy (pricing) politics has the book Sophocles and the Greek Language , edited by Irene de Jong and Albert Rijksbaron from Amsterdam. I canno...
by Timothée
Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes Laertius 7.172
Replies: 12
Views: 3891

Re: Diogenes Laertius 7.172

I found the reference Dover, Greek Homosexuality (1989²), p. 98, for this passage. It may or may not add something (I don’t have it), though Paul did cover this quite well above, I think.
by Timothée
Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides 1.14.1 Penteconters
Replies: 9
Views: 2979

Re: Thucydides 1.14.1 Penteconters

Geek to English lexicon Inderdaad! :D I wonder what that more recent Thucydides lexicon you mention is. I couldn’t find it, though I may have had wrong or otherwise poor search criteria. In addition, apparently navis longa is warship in Latin. It seems to me that penteconters were ancient history b...
by Timothée
Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides 1.14.1 Penteconters
Replies: 9
Views: 2979

Re: Thucydides 1.14.1 Penteconters

Note that ‘ship’, ‘boat’ in Welsh is llong : borrowed from the Latin (nauis) longa into the British language during the Roman occupation of Britain. I checked the LS, but of course in cases like this it’s unhelpful: πεντηκόντεροι ships with fifty oars, πλοῖα μακρά ships of wars, with references to t...
by Timothée
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Iliad and Odyssey Kickstarter by Ioannis Stratakis
Replies: 3
Views: 2945

Re: Iliad and Odyssey Kickstarter by Ioannis Stratakis

Stratakis is exquisite. There are many other Textkit members, as well, who are quite fond of his readings. I first found him when it chanced that I saw and listened to his Hippocratic Oath video on Youtube. Splendid. I think the biggest problem for many who reconstruct and record Ancient Greek (and ...
by Timothée
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Nerdy Classics Majors
Replies: 4
Views: 2456

Re: Nerdy Classics Majors

I have never been in Facebook, and never shall. Twitter is better, but I’ve grown tired of it, as it has far too many exasperating side effects. Better to stay here.
by Timothée
Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:31 pm
Forum: Medieval and Neo-Latin
Topic: help in reading Erasmus, Moriae Encomium
Replies: 5
Views: 3379

Re: help in reading Erasmus, Moriae Encomium

On a side note, I think these Erasmus threads (do keep them coming) would fit better into the Neo-Latin forum, as it now exists.
by Timothée
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Perfect active participle of τελέω ?
Replies: 2
Views: 1445

Re: Perfect active participle of τελέω ?

As Hylander implicitly says, the normal classical (Attic) form is τετελεκώς. It’s of course ahexametrical(?). Τετελεσκώς has a nice idea in its formation. However, the κ-perfects are quite restricted in attestation in Homer: unless I’m mistaken, they occur rarely elsewhere than in singular indicativ...
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3899

Re: OCT font

Well done, Joel! That was very fast. Thanks. The resemblance isn’t evident, I would venture to suggest, but it is a nice hand, and even if Porson did drink too much gin, that won’t be obvious looking at his handwriting. Of course a typeface (unlike handwriting) will have letters of uniform quality.
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What was the name of the Spartan education system?
Replies: 20
Views: 5392

Re: What was the name of the Spartan education system?

Paul Derouda wrote:But is there something wrong with ἀλλ᾽ Σπάρτη γε τάδε or καὶ μὴν Σπάρτη τάδε γ᾽ ἐστίν?
They seem fine, though the elision in ἀλλ’ before a consonant does look slightly strange, to be fair.
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3899

Re: OCT font

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The book says that Richard Austin cut the typeface a little after Porson’s death. It would be nice to see Porson’s hand to do a little comparison. The writer describes Porson’s hand “stately”.
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:40 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What was the name of the Spartan education system?
Replies: 20
Views: 5392

Re: What was the name of the Spartan education system?

I skimmed the LS and took the following: On agreement it says that οὗτος usually agrees with the noun that stands as its predicate, αὕτη γὰρ ἦν σοι πρόφασις S. Ph. 1034; δικαστοῦ αὕτη ἀρετή [ἐστι] Pl. Ap. 18a — — But: though οὗτος usually agrees with the noun that serves as predicate, it is not rare...
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:31 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What was the name of the Spartan education system?
Replies: 20
Views: 5392

Re: What was the name of the Spartan education system?

You may be right. If I understand this correctly, the attraction to the predicative (i.e. τοῦτο/τόδε becoming accordant with¹ the gender and number of the predicative by attraction) should occur normally (Schwyzer—Debrunner p. 606), but it could be different with placenames, here ἡ Σπάρτη. ¹What’s t...
by Timothée
Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:44 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: What was the name of the Spartan education system?
Replies: 20
Views: 5392

Re: What was the name of the Spartan education system?

How about attraction? I would probably have said something like αὕτη/ἥδε γὰρ Σπάρτη.
by Timothée
Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides - good translation
Replies: 34
Views: 9767

Re: Thucydides - good translation

I have to admit something. This is emphatically only I, but I have great difficulties in using translations, which results to my own detriment, no doubt. I do check translations of ancient literature every now and then, but for some reason whenever I consult them, I always feel very filthy afterward...
by Timothée
Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Difference between 'μετὰ' and 'σύν' - EtG translation
Replies: 5
Views: 2096

Re: Difference between 'μετὰ' and 'σύν' - EtG translation

Hylander wrote:in fact συν + dative eventually displaced μετα + genitive.
Shouldn’t this be exactly the other way around? The LS s.u. μετά:
with gen. (in which use μετά gradually superseded σύν, q.u.)
The LS s.u. σύν:
The prep. σύν gradually gave way to μετά with gen.
Cf. Modern Greek με ‘with’.
by Timothée
Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.17.1
Replies: 11
Views: 3412

Re: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.1

And Smyth has taken that straight out of Kühner, as you probably knew/guessed. Taking from others is commonplace. I think you may have misunderstood my point. It has been noted previously on these forums (by other commentators) that Smyth is all but an abridged version of Kühner. It could even be c...
by Timothée
Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.17.1
Replies: 11
Views: 3412

Re: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.1

And Smyth has taken that straight out of Kühner, as you probably knew/guessed.

This grammar point is (of course) mentioned also in Schwyzer—Debrunner, p. 37.
by Timothée
Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.17.1
Replies: 11
Views: 3412

Re: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.1

You should use better grammars than Smyth. For example Kühner—Gerth does mention it (§ 96 III):
Kühner und Gerth wrote:Neutra sind die Namen der Früchte — —, die Deminutive — —;
mit Ausnahme der weiblichen Eigennamen in Deminutivform, als ἡ Λεόντιον, ἡ Γλυκέριον; — —
by Timothée
Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.17.1
Replies: 11
Views: 3412

Re: Declension - ἡ Λυκαίνιον, τῇ Λυκαινίῳ Longus 3.15.2, 3.1

Female PN’s in -ιον/-ίον (originally hypocoristico-deminutival) were relatively common. That ἡ Λυκαίνιον is no more peculiar than e.g. ἡ ὁδός.
by Timothée
Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:14 pm
Forum: Medieval and Neo-Latin
Topic: Erasmus, Praise of Folly, query 3
Replies: 8
Views: 3400

Re: Erasmus, Praise of Folly, query 3

Alternatively, you can also post them here, and Textkittens may translate them to you. All Greek phrases have been highlighted in this Leiden text.
by Timothée
Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the Date?
Replies: 4
Views: 1670

Re: What's the Date?

I checked the ThlL (the lemma dies ), and its first mention (unless I overlooked something, which is possible) of the seven-day week is from Tertullian (under the section I B 2 d). This of course also depends on the sources that have survived to us. The ThlL article is from 1912. Getting more deeply...
by Timothée
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:23 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the Date?
Replies: 4
Views: 1670

Re: What's the Date?

As Shenoute notes, Cicero and Caesar would not have understood those examples. Dies Solis, Lunae eqs. are post-classical, as well. Normal question in the classical times would probably have been that qui dies est suggested by the OP. It can of course be varied as needed according to the context. Ans...
by Timothée
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:32 pm
Forum: Medieval and Neo-Latin
Topic: Erasmus, Praise of Folly, query 2
Replies: 4
Views: 3134

Re: Erasmus, Praise of Folly, query 2

As Erasmus is a Renaissance scholar, I thought these threads would work quite nicely on the Neo-Latin forum.
by Timothée
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Minor Typo in Liddell & Scott Definition of ἰξός
Replies: 7
Views: 2412

Re: Minor Typo in Liddell & Scott Definition of ἰξός

I wonder if the supplement has a correction. There’s nothing on ἰξός there. It’d be great to have a tenth edition of this superb dictionary, but it’ll hardly ever happen. A lot of improvements have been proposed during the last 20 years and more, but a lot would have to be rewritten in addition. Th...
by Timothée
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Existential macron crisis
Replies: 13
Views: 4653

Re: Existential macron crisis

ThlL
by Timothée
Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Existential macron crisis
Replies: 13
Views: 4653

Re: Existential macron crisis

The vowel e is short, but the syllable is heavy. Poets have different forms, also monosyllabic (e.g. Ter. Haut. 453 [iambic senarius]: “Amator numquam sufferre eius sumptus queat”). Did this correspond the pronunciation of the colloquial everyday speech?
by Timothée
Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Existential macron crisis
Replies: 13
Views: 4653

Re: Existential macron crisis

Good grammars, and dictionaries better than the L&S.