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by seneca2008
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 24-47
Replies: 6
Views: 180

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 24-47

And how is it possible that the city is built so far from running water? I visited Cefalú in Sicily last year. There was a Lavatoio close to the beach but within the current town which has troughs for washing dating to the 16th century. Apparently the spring was known in antiquity. The ancient sett...
by seneca2008
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Seven Against Thebes 628
Replies: 3
Views: 103

Re: Seven Against Thebes 628

The land is in genitive so it qualifies the Invaders Clearly the correct meaning is "against the invaders of our land" for the reasons that anphph has observed. “into the land of the invaders” seems to imply a possessive genitive. But γᾶς is I think an objective genitive. Edited becausebwho posted ...
by seneca2008
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Professor Mary Beard - The Ancient World and us
Replies: 2
Views: 121

Professor Mary Beard - The Ancient World and us

Mary Beard has given a series of lectures in the annual "prestigious Gifford Lectures series" at Edinburgh University entitled "Professor Mary Beard - The Ancient World and us: from fear and loathing to enlightenment and ethics". I found them entertaining and illuminating. They are available here ht...
by seneca2008
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

n case anybody else is using Steadman for vocabulary-building, I'm making Quizlet flashcards for each page as I go along with high-frequency vocabulary occurring 8 or more times in Books 6-8 (on Steadman's recommendation). The Greek side of the flashcard is the vocabulary in-context, in square brac...
by seneca2008
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

seneca2008 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:27 pm I don’t agree with this. Could you elaborate slightly? I am sorry but sometimes I become as Laconic as my avatar. I think that as interesting as this is, it this type of discussion of a more general nature would be best pursued in a separate thread. I hav...
by seneca2008
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ανάγκη
Replies: 34
Views: 1171

Re: Ανάγκη

Basically this is an inversion, the regular order being ως θαυμαστως εμοί δοκει ανάγκη είναι. The ως here is an adverb that modifies another adverb, it is not a conjunction to separate the subject from its predicate. I don't agree with this. Nor do I think it helpful to re-order the Greek in order ...
by seneca2008
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

There's not the strength (as with overthrew) of προσλέγω or πρόσφημι in πρὸς ...ἔειπεν, because this is an earlier stage of Greek, so πρὸς is kind of doing its own thing and modifying ἔειπεν and μιν (and much less strongly, perhaps, μῦθον) while remaining distinct. I don’t agree with this. Nor do I...
by seneca2008
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

Coming back to v. 21: μιν πρὸς μῦθον ἔειπεν. Could we think about connecting μιν and πρὸς (ἔειπεν μῦθον πρός μιν)? I am not sure how rearranging the text in this way is helpful. πρὸς ...ἔειπεν is clearly a syntactic unit, μιν and μῦθον two accusative objects. μιν and πρὸς are obviously connected bu...
by seneca2008
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: starting greek
Replies: 4
Views: 266

Re: starting greek

Mastronarde Is thorough, at times opaque, and some might find it too dry. It seems to me an excellent text. Athenaze is lively and covers the ground well enough. JACT Reading Greek is also good but you will need the independent study guide if you are not joining a class.

Good luck!
by seneca2008
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:26 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: best edition of aeneid
Replies: 6
Views: 308

Re: best edition of aeneid

It’s difficult to know what to recommend as I don’t know what your proficiency in Latin is. I guess that if you are looking at Maclardy you are a beginner. This seems to be an inter linear translation which in my opinion will be a positive hindrance to your learning anything about Virgil. There are ...
by seneca2008
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

Another question: v 21: καί μιν πρὸς μῦθον ἔειπεν πρὸς...ἔειπεν tmesis for προσλέγω or for πρόσφημι? Well ἔειπεν is an epic form of εἷπον. πρόσφημι is a close version of the present tense. I don’t think it’s worth trying to reconstruct tmesis in this case as the verb is defective ie there is no pre...
by seneca2008
Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

Is ἀμφὶ connected to πόλει as a preposition That’s how I take it. It’s not unusual in poetry to separate the preposition from its noun. It’s a form of hyperbaton. It’s rather effective here because “around the town” encloses the walls - one feels impelled to fast forward to the last word thus getti...
by seneca2008
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: One Adjective for Multiple Nouns
Replies: 1
Views: 128

Re: One Adjective for Multiple Nouns

You are forgetting the definite article here. I am assuming you are not writing poetry where the rules are more flexible. So using the attributive position for the adjective The possibilities are: οἱ ποικίλοι μῦθοι καὶ οἱ ποικίλοι λόγοι or οἱ μῦθοι οἱ ποικίλοι καὶ οἱ λόγοι οἱ ποικίλοι or Less often ...
by seneca2008
Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:04 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: salvete/χαίρετε
Replies: 1
Views: 135

Re: salvete/χαίρετε

Welcome to Textkit.

You may want to look at the Reading Homer Odyssey Book 6 thread which has just started.
by seneca2008
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

this isn't a list of questions that I want people to help me answer. I went and looked up anything I didn't understand before putting the list together. Instead, this is a list of questions that I thought might arise for an intermediate reader, that would be useful to look up if they can't answer t...
by seneca2008
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23
Replies: 43
Views: 1262

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 1-23

Thank you for starting this thread and for your commendable industry. I think your post is much too long to invite a considered response. Posting all you can think of in one go might be overwhelming. Perhaps next time you might consider splitting it into separate posts - general questions (who are C...
by seneca2008
Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ανάγκη
Replies: 34
Views: 1171

Re: Ανάγκη

4 freq. impers., δοκεῖ μοι it seems to me, methinks, ὥς μοι δοκεῖ εἶναι ἄριστα Il. 12.215; ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ as I think, A. Th. 369, etc.; τὸ σοὶ δοκοῦν your opinion, Pl. R. 487d: freq. in inf. in parenth. clause, ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκέειν to my thinking, Hdt. 9.113; δοκέειν ἐμοί Id. 1.172; ἀλλʼ, ἐμοὶ δοκεῖν, τά...
by seneca2008
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Caesar BG 1.1
Replies: 9
Views: 346

Re: Caesar BG 1.1

If Caesar tells us that Aquitania is bound by the Garonne, the Pyrenees, and the ocean, what else do we learn from spectat inter occasum solis et septentriones? You raise an interesting question. I think, however, that you are making some unspoken and unwarranted assumptions. Firstly you read the t...
by seneca2008
Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato's Apology
Replies: 5
Views: 287

Re: Plato's Apology

This is why I am confused - he seems to be saying that if they are saying that a clever speaker is one who speaks the truth, according to them he isn't a speaker. It is like he is saying that he isn't speaking the truth. In the preceding passage Socrates’ accusers warn against his influence saying ...
by seneca2008
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 822

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

For the record this is what the Cambridge Grammar says as a note under “habitual conditions” “In poetry and Herodotus, ἄν is sometimes omitted ( εἰ + subj. is used)”. But it also says what it calls “habitual conditions” is variously named by others. “Note 1: This type of condition is variously calle...
by seneca2008
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Self Intro and Request for Help
Replies: 3
Views: 180

Re: Self Intro and Request for Help

Welcome to Textkit. The poem is ἡ γῆ μέλαινα πίνει, πίνει δένδρεα δ᾿ αὐτήν. Frequently a neuter plural takes 3rd person singular. I am sure this will be in your textbook which I don’t have to hand but there was another thread recently where this came up. See here https://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-...
by seneca2008
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 598

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

Whether this was a true or untrue event
It is precisely for this reason I wrote “There are examples in ancient literature”. Whether it happened or not is beside the point! The idea of using castration to change gender exists whether Nero did it or not.
by seneca2008
Fri May 31, 2019 9:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: why is the indicative used in this sentence rather than the subjunctive?
Replies: 2
Views: 169

Re: why is the indicative used in this sentence rather than the subjunctive?

I am not sure what your question is? You translated an English sentence into Latin? If so it would be helpful to see it. The choice of indicative or subjunctive depends on what exactly you are trying to translate. The sentence from which your text seems to be adapted is this: "praestare, si iam prin...
by seneca2008
Thu May 30, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 598

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

It doesn't feel right lumping gender reassignment surgery in with the ancient practice of (usually child) castration. I agree and I didn't. I was simply offering and example (a fairly obvious one) where "crude mechanical mutilation could affect someone's gender". There are examples in ancient liter...
by seneca2008
Thu May 30, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 822

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

I would have thought that any difference in the likelihood of the two "if" clauses would be expressed by the mood of the verbs rather than the difference between εἰ/ἢν. εἰ μὲν μεταμελήσῃ τῷ Καμβύσῃ καὶ ἐπιζητέῃ τὸν Κροῖσον, οἳ δὲ ἐκφήναντες αὐτὸν δῶρα λάμψονται ζωάγρια Κροίσου, Here μεταμελήσῃ is ao...
by seneca2008
Wed May 29, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.
Replies: 3
Views: 192

Re: Mastronarde, Unit 22, Sentences for Reading, number 2.

Check out neuter plural subject, with singular verb, 39, 48 Note an important peculiarity of concord in Greek: a neuter plural subject regularly takes a third person singular verb. τὰ παιδία δῶρα ταῖς θεαῖς φέρει.  The children bring gifts to the goddesses. 8.  Neuter Plural Subject. As one would ex...
by seneca2008
Sat May 25, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Advice for a Greek reading group?
Replies: 17
Views: 914

Re: Advice for a Greek reading group?

I recently read book 6 and had meant to post some thoughts about it so this would be an opportunity to share what I can recall. A modest target seems like a good idea but can of course be revised once people become more familiar with the repetitions and formulas. Best not to be prescriptive about ho...
by seneca2008
Thu May 23, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek
Replies: 22
Views: 4135

Re: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek

A review by Mike Aubrey: https://koine-greek.com/2019/05/12/cambridge-grammar-of-classical-greek-first-impressions/?fbclid=IwAR3V-sevPxGCErJ8hUf_epH8oFppBnycsWo84hmYupPqCje8xptQxkLC0lI Can you explain the following in the review you cited. “A minority of NT scholars and students will likely be disa...
by seneca2008
Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 598

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

This, however, is the first time that I've ever heard someone suggest that crude mechanical mutilation could affect someone's gender I was simply trying to introduce a more nuanced discussion. Those who undergo gender reassignment are subject to a “mechanical” process. Eunuchs are in a kind of half...
by seneca2008
Mon May 20, 2019 11:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 598

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

I think the context here makes it clear that sexual relations are being described. Line 230 is “ἦσαν εὐνοῦχοι τῷ βασιλεῖ διὰ κάλλος οὐ μετρίως ἐσπουδασμένοι.” The king had eunuchs of whom he was immoderately fond on account of their beauty. Whether the sexual relations are a metaphor for a political...
by seneca2008
Mon May 20, 2019 10:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ηγεομαι -ηγον
Replies: 7
Views: 447

Re: ηγεομαι -ηγον

That seems right in the present but note that the principal parts are ἡγέομαι, ἡγήσομαι, ἡγησάμην,   — , ἥγημαι, -ηγήθην. This verb only has middle/passive forms. Also make sure you understand that the middle/passive imperfect of ἄγω is ἠγόμην. My advice is to concentrate on the forms on page 132. T...
by seneca2008
Mon May 20, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ηγεομαι -ηγον
Replies: 7
Views: 447

Re: ηγεομαι -ηγον

I really recommend paying careful attention to the breathings because that should have indicated which verb was being discussed. Sometimes Mastronade can be a bit opaque so I can understand your confusion. @C. Philo it’s only helpful to posit an opinion about misprints if you have sight of the text....
by seneca2008
Mon May 20, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Pindar, Pythian 1
Replies: 4
Views: 339

Re: Pindar, Pythian 1

You will find this link helpful http://hypotactic.com/latin/index.html?Use_Id=pythians. Although others will offer comments on its accuracy.
by seneca2008
Mon May 20, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ηγεομαι -ηγον
Replies: 7
Views: 447

Re: ηγεομαι -ηγον

On p. 132, the imperfect active indicative of "ηγεομαι" is conjugated, and the first person singular is given as "ηγον". You are mixing up active and middle/passive forms and two different verbs. ἦγον Is the imperfect of ἄγω The augment changes are explained on/ page 131 ᾰ → η, ε → η, ῐ → ῑ, ο → ω,...
by seneca2008
Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A Little Embarassed to Ask
Replies: 4
Views: 358

Re: A Little Embarassed to Ask

Cathexis said “What are these,
"diacritical marks?"
Wikipedia is a useful starting point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
by seneca2008
Wed May 15, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mathew 6:13 accent
Replies: 6
Views: 471

Re: Mathew 6:13 accent

The TLG is the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae

http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/
by seneca2008
Mon May 13, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Scholarly opinions on Xenophon?
Replies: 6
Views: 621

Re: Scholarly opinions on Xenophon?

You might find “Michael A. Flower, "The Cambridge Companion to Xenophon"” useful. The publisher’s website has the following description: This Companion, the first dedicated to the philosopher and historian Xenophon of Athens, gives readers a sense of why he has held such a prominent place in literar...
by seneca2008
Tue May 07, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: New Yorker Article: The Myth of Whiteness in Classical Sculpture
Replies: 0
Views: 146

New Yorker Article: The Myth of Whiteness in Classical Sculpture

I found this article in the New Yorker interesting: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/29/the-myth-of-whiteness-in-classical-sculpture?utm_brand=tny&utm_source=twitter&mbid=social_twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned We have exchanged views on how ancient sculpture was painted in ...
by seneca2008
Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Sententiae Antiquae
Replies: 1
Views: 215

Re: Sententiae Antiquae

They also have a twitter feed. In fact there are quite a lot of classical twitterati.
by seneca2008
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Requested Translation
Replies: 4
Views: 413

Re: Requested Translation

Yes it does work well. I was just thinking of a "welcome to". Anyway very ingenious. Well done