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by xn
Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:48 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: experimental SPIonic-style classical Greek keyboard entry
Replies: 2
Views: 1338

experimental SPIonic-style classical Greek keyboard entry

Hello all, I’ve created an experimental HTML document which will automagically convert ASCII keyboard input within its <textarea> into Unicode classical Greek characters; the keyboard mapping is identical to that of the SPIonic typeface. The goal of this experiment is that the classical Greek text e...
by xn
Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:43 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Conspiracy theories... not so stupid
Replies: 12
Views: 3377

Re: Conspiracy theories... not so stupid

MDS: Much as has happened in American and British politics in recent years, the Liberals seem to have coöpted many planks of past PC platforms. Does a federal Liberal vote just mean “As if I’d vote for the Conservatives or the NDP!”, or do the federal Liberals really represent mainstream Canadian po...
by xn
Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:14 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Eccite Hominem?
Replies: 15
Views: 7854

Re: multilinguists

Jefferson Cicero: Some years ago I visited Tønsberg, Norway; Tuttlingen, Germany; Amsterdam; and Antwerpen on one trip, the former two for genealogical reasons and the latter two for a holiday from my vacation. :) I attempted to learn “survival” basics in each of (bokmål) Norwegian, German, and Dutc...
by xn
Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:01 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Which reading material contains enough vocab?
Replies: 6
Views: 3348

Re: Which reading material contains enough vocab?

Reemas: The 50,000 word vocabulary sounds double plus unlikely.

Ulpianus: Voice of America’s “Special English” articles use a vocabulary of about 1,500 words, and Japanese pupils learn roughly 2,000 ideographs during their schooling, so numbers in that vicinity sound about right.

xn
by xn
Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:40 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Conspiracy theories... not so stupid
Replies: 12
Views: 3377

Re: Conspiracy theories... not so stupid

Emma_85: Presuming that all of the people involved in a secret capture of ibn Ladn* could be persuaded to reveal absolutely nothing about the event (e.g. no inexplicably buoyant moods being expressed in letters and/or telephone calls to loved ones at home), then wouldn’t it have been doubly to the c...
by xn
Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:41 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: latin song lyrics
Replies: 2
Views: 1945

Re: latin song lyrics

I presume that you have Orff’s Carmina Burana? Ray Manzarek’s recording of them was interesting.

xn
by xn
Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:17 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: About Roman history
Replies: 7
Views: 3319

Re: About Roman history

Do you have a preference between conciseness and thoroughness?

Do you have a particular “endpoint” in mind? [The death of Constantine? The death of Theodosius? The overthrow of Romulus Augustus? The Ottoman conquest of Constantinople? Or to the present day for the city of Rome?]

xn
by xn
Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:22 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A vocabulary deficiency and challenge
Replies: 6
Views: 2113

Re: A vocabulary deficiency and challenge

William, My main interest is how to render “spam” as noun or verb in our two favorite languages, … for a gloss to that substance in a tin, I’m partial to Greek κωλύφιον (SPIonic κωλῠφιον) — and its Latin counterpart colyphium [macrons excluded]. (Due to my ignorance of Greek, I have no other contrib...
by xn
Wed Mar 03, 2004 5:00 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: IPA representation

Lex: For ASCII encoding of IPA, my preference would be for X-SAMPA, which would allow as narrow (i.e. detailed) a transcription as might be desired. I too am unfamiliar with those other representation schemes. Yet another ASCII representation is the “IPA Number” scheme from the IPA, which assigns a ...
by xn
Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:41 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Greetings from China
Replies: 11
Views: 4242

Re: Greetings from China

Ken_Teng, welcome here! I don’t know much about Greek (and less still about Chinese :oops:), but the influence of the Greek culture of roughly 2,000 to 2,500 years ago (give or take a couple of centuries) was enormous on the rest of Western civilization: philosophy, religion, geometry, geography, as...
by xn
Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:15 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: text representation

lex: I have Verdana and Arial installed as well. Given that you also had Lucida Sans Unicode installed, it sounds as though it’s a browser issue: Mozilla 1.6 knows not to use a given typeface in a font-family rule when it doesn’t have a glyph for a particular character, but apparently Internet Explo...
by xn
Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:09 am
Forum: Latin For Beginners by D'Ooge
Topic: perhaps im dense
Replies: 21
Views: 32870

Re: macrons

Ulpianus, I made it clear that I am not against macrons in dictionaries or vocabulary lists, or in paradigms, or even right at the start. perhaps I misinterpreted your earlier statement… There's something to be said for marking them in dictionaries, and learning when one learns the word (but not as ...
by xn
Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Advice Please
Replies: 16
Views: 17939

Re: Advice Please

Mongoose42: benissimus and Ulpianus are quite right. I particularly agree with Ulpianus’ ninth point.

klewlis: I envy your ability to learn by listening — I find it quite difficult to learn that way.

xn
by xn
Tue Mar 02, 2004 3:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin pronunciation in IPA?
Replies: 3
Views: 2703

Re: Latin pronunciation in IPA?

1%homeless: A different source of reconstructed classical Latin pronunciation can be found in the image http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/latin_pronunciation.gif — its view on various vowels frequently differs from that on the orbilat.com page. If you can note here some of the RP suggestions fr...
by xn
Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:08 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

les voyelles francaises

Cleo: Oops, I missed that portion of 1%homeless’ message. My ears were raised in the States, yet I hear the vowels in «lundi» and «vin» as being distinct. (I am also fortunate enough to live within range of Sherbrooke radio stations.) I can’t think of many French words that might be distinguished so...
by xn
Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:29 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: Looking for languages with nasal(ized) vowels

Lex: I took a look at the underlying HTML here, and came up with a reason why I can see IPA HTML entities but you can’t: it’s due to the <style> element specifying font,th,td,p { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif } In my case, since it didn’t find IPA glyphs in eit...
by xn
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:51 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Language Heritage
Replies: 51
Views: 30702

Re: Language Heritage

Keesa: My great-grandparents would have spoken at least English, German (Schwäbisch), Irish, and Norwegian (bokmål). I have studied at least a smattering of each, and I found that French was easier for me than either Irish or Norwegian. I’d say that one’s native tongue has a far greater influence on...
by xn
Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:57 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Elvish
Replies: 39
Views: 20682

mingshey: I never tried to learn Quenya or Sindarin, but did learn the Tengwar, and used it to transliterate notes for myself on school desktops (in pencil), which sometimes came in useful… (Those of you who are still in school, please don’t emulate my bad example!) I haven’t seen any of the Jackson...
by xn
Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:09 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Other languages?
Replies: 4
Views: 2455

Re: German grammar

I really liked the Teach Yourself German book, the Oxford-DUDEN pocket grammar, and the Oxford-DUDEN dictionaries (I have the pocket and the “full” editions). I found that the two “pocket” books were quite useful in pursuing genealogical research while travelling.

xn
by xn
Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Oxford latin Dictionary
Replies: 6
Views: 2932

Re: Oxford Latin Dictionary

fisher99: Yes, I have it. I thought that it was worth the price, but I like to have reference books within reach of my grubby mitts when curiosity comes calling. Ulpianus: Despite being a beginner, I don’t find it confusing; I appreciate its format. It shares a shelf in my office with the Compact OE...
by xn
Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:18 pm
Forum: Latin For Beginners by D'Ooge
Topic: perhaps im dense
Replies: 21
Views: 32870

Re: macrons

N30F15H: Macrons generally aren’t used in HTML documents for a number of reasons. First, early versions of HTML used a document character set (namely ISO 8859-1) that contains no letters with macrons; this was remedied in late 1997 with version 4.0 of HTML, which used a document character set that c...
by xn
Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Fabulae faciles
Replies: 3
Views: 2273

Re: Fabulae faciles

That “facile” aspect sounds appealing to this tiro…

xn
by xn
Thu Feb 26, 2004 4:12 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ecce tiro!
Replies: 17
Views: 5816

klewlis: Is the study of French not required in Albertan schools? Or would such decisions be made below the provincial level? William: I envy your inventiveness! It’s all I can do to try to keep tabs on just a subset of what’s out there, let alone try my hand at creation. Both: I tend toward the sca...
by xn
Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:52 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Current reads (spinoff from least favorite books)
Replies: 31
Views: 8738

Carola: I admire your fortitude in choosing that line of work! The people who write tax form instructions are at least bilingual, as they’re doing their best to translate from the original Bureaucratonian…

xn
by xn
Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ecce tiro!
Replies: 17
Views: 5816

All: Thank you for your warm welcomes! For the programmers here, I am curious — do you find that your interest in languages is focused on one or two in particular (oh, perhaps Greek and/or Latin :wink:), or is it spread among many tongues?

Bert: As long as I have a mirror, I shan’t forget.

xn
by xn
Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:32 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Indoeuropean reflects of "shwa"
Replies: 10
Views: 3387

William: Mea culpa! Yes, I gave the wrong examples for the description; that should have been IPA /ħ/, as you suggested with the Hebrew and Arabic consonants, _not_ English h. I really should use my eyeglasses more often… Do you know if any current languages in the Indo-Iranian branch make use of ‛a...
by xn
Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: Looking for languages with nasal(ized) vowels

Lex: Try visiting http://www.sover.net/~xn/IPA.xhtml , and follow the link on this page to download Gentium. (This page also has a link to an ASCII encoding for IPA.) Install Gentium, and reload the page. If IE5 supports XHTML, then the page should also be a conclusive test on its ability to display...
by xn
Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:07 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Netscape and SPIONIC
Replies: 4
Views: 1589

Re: Netscape and SPIonic

Paul: I’m using Mozilla 1.6 on Windows 98 SE. I just installed SPIonic (merely by copying the SPIONIC_.TTF file to the \WINDOWS\FONTS directory), and the quote in mingshey’s signature appears Greek. The bulletin board software uses <span style="…"> to specify the typeface, so Netscape 7 ought to kno...
by xn
Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

chad: Thanks for noting that — I wasn’t previously aware of the “reconstructed classical” pronunciation. (Good ol’ Google…) It does make the evolution of e.g. Latin ·pāne· to French «pain» or Portuguese «pão« seem less…evolved. I was also surprised to discover that Latin ·magnus· would rhyme with En...
by xn
Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: Looking for languages with nasal(ized) vowels

Lex: I’m using the Default/Normal/Arial combination of Font Settings in Post a reply. Does Internet Explorer 5 support displaying HTML numeric entities above 255? (It looks like the bulletin board software stored the IPA characters that I’d entered as the numeric entity corresponding to the appropri...
by xn
Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:48 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Indoeuropean reflects of "shwa"
Replies: 10
Views: 3387

Jelena, you’re well beyond my occasional sallies into linguistics! I know nothing about the evolution of Greek vowel sounds. My (limited, probably mistaken :!:) understanding of the P-I-E laryngeal/schwa variations is that each of the three laryngeals h1, h2, h3 could lengthen a following (but not n...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:52 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: Looking for languages with nasalated vowels

N30FI5H: Good point on your mum’s French: someone doing an impersonation of Maurice Chevalier will often insert the seemingly obligatory «hon hon hon» interjection, which is replete with nasalised vowels. And you are correct: “nasalised” is spelt with an “s”. Similarly, “nasalized” is spelled with a...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:35 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Indoeuropean reflects of "shwa"
Replies: 10
Views: 3387

Jelena, please forgive my ignorance, but would you describe the particular “schwa” issue that you’re thinking of? Is it what the precise pronunciation would have been in Proto-Indo-European? Is it whether there were three distinct “schwa” sounds in P-I-E, or only one? Or are you thinking of another ...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:16 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Re: Looking for languages with nasal(ized) vowels

All: I wonder if success with displaying the IPA text is browser-dependent? It displays tolerably well for me, using Mozilla 1.6 on Windows 98 SE. William: Thank you for suggesting “nasalized” — it is more descriptive than “nasal”. Helen of Troy: Yes, “nasal vowel” is not a well-defined term. We’re ...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:57 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Indoeuropean reflects of "shwa"
Replies: 10
Views: 3387

Hello Jelena,

would you be more specific on what your interest in the “schwa” is?

xn
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:42 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Current reads (spinoff from least favorite books)
Replies: 31
Views: 8738

The last book that I’d finished was The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst, which I’d recommend to anyone with an interest in typography. I suspect that tax form instructions will be next on my list…
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:28 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi! I'm new...
Replies: 12
Views: 3820

Hi! I'm new...

Hello there! I can appreciate your interest in word origins. The quest for aspects of the sacred in seemingly mundane subjects has inspired people for millennia, so if it be weird, at least you’re upholding a fine tradition. :) The Oxford Latin Dictionary is a marvelous source for Latin word origins...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:14 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ecce tiro!
Replies: 17
Views: 5816

Ecce tiro!

Hello all, I just found textkit.com tonight. :) I live in Vermont, USA. I’m a programmer by trade, with interests in language and history. I’m circling back to Latin now; I never studied it formally, but dove in or dabbled as time has permitted. I expect to be an intermittent participant, so please ...
by xn
Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:36 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Looking for languages with nasal vowels
Replies: 44
Views: 12884

Looking for languages with nasal vowels

William and Skylax are right: Hindi and Portuguese are languages with nasal vowels and many speakers. Episcopus: Hindi has ten different nasal vowels, as compared to French’s four (or three, depending on dialect). Helen of Troy: the French nasal vowels can be represented in the phrase «un bon vin bl...