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by ariphron
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 2867

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

You should record what catches your imagination, and what you think a substantial number of people would be able to understand by listening. Whether it has already been recorded and whether it is considered literature of the first rank are secondary considerations. That said, I am in the early stage...
by ariphron
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina
Replies: 11
Views: 2175

Re: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina

On the subject of reconstructed color sense, is it established that the ancient Greeks had the same genetic constitution for color that we do, namely a majority with three kinds of cone cells, including a red sensor cone with a secondary peak in the violet, while a significant minority has a red sen...
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?
Replies: 13
Views: 1755

Re: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?

How about the Samurai Trilogy, about the dueling career of Musashi Miyamoto, the author of the Book of Five Rings?
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Nuntii Latini cancelled
Replies: 2
Views: 568

Re: Nuntii Latini cancelled

How good is it?

I don't suppose there's a podcast in Classical Chinese or the Han Dynasty court speech...
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi!
Replies: 4
Views: 508

Re: Hi!

Awesome. So you already have a good knowledge of 文言文, including the Japanese 文体。Are you already learning Persian? Of all classical languages, Persian is the one that I most regret I will not get to in this life.

Are you interested in Chinese or Japanese vernacular literature?
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: VINCULUM: Lay Latin Immersion Program June 19-26, 2019
Replies: 2
Views: 704

Re: VINCULUM: Lay Latin Immersion Program June 19-26, 2019

Is this better than the Latin program at Lexington? Or did you choose this one for some other reason, e.g. to avoid doing two programs back to back?
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Stop and Frisk
Replies: 6
Views: 736

Re: Stop and Frisk

Is Frisk considered reliable?

At the workshop I was surprised that the organizer, Stephen Hill, didn't seem to know Frisk.
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Movable ν
Replies: 4
Views: 504

Re: Movable ν

Does it make any difference? I habitually pronounce the enclitic ἐστίν with the νυ before a pause; another person will have a different habit; it won't interfere with comprehension.
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina
Replies: 11
Views: 2175

Re: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina

When our Greek driver/guide referred to Thoo-ki-'thee-thees, I had to translate for the four other members of our party. They thought the modern Greek pronunciation was funny. I thought their need for a translation was funny. The modern Greek pronunciation is of course much closer to the original a...
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:45 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: New Yorker Article: The Myth of Whiteness in Classical Sculpture
Replies: 1
Views: 787

Re: New Yorker Article: The Myth of Whiteness in Classical Sculpture

Wow. That article is like a Masters of Art History class. I'm reading it on the New Yorker app on my phone: different title and blurb from the website.
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:17 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington
Replies: 11
Views: 1687

Re: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington

It was an amazing experience. But it was Intense. Midway through, I dropped down from the advanced to the beginner's group. I don't know if I was in over my head, exactly, but certainly up to my neck at least. In the beginner's group I was able to catch my breath and take the time to try to formulat...
by ariphron
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD
Replies: 4
Views: 475

Re: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD

What a fascinating person. When I was in college I played piano in the school jazz ensembles, both big band and combos, though I never got good enough to consider playing professionally. I brought the woman who is now my wife to one of my performances, which my parents also happened to attend. This ...
by ariphron
Fri May 24, 2019 7:05 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: First 100 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 22
Views: 10871

Re: First 100 lines of the Iliad

Sorry to resurrect an old thread - but is this true, jeidsath?! How much intervention is required on your part? For instance, how many lines would you guess required your individual attention as you scanned the entire Iliad & Odyssey? There was that other thread, which I found some time after I wro...
by ariphron
Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Verse accentuation changes
Replies: 10
Views: 1132

Re: Verse accentuation changes

Quite startling to learn that there's strong evidence for a contrast between orthotone and quasi-enclitic forms of these pronouns, but it doesn't get notated as such in standard modern editions of prose works. What about the third-person pronouns? To the best of my knowledge the dative οἱ is always ...
by ariphron
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 2867

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

I'll try proof listening for you.
by ariphron
Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Hawaiian Long Diphthong Pronunciation Model
Replies: 4
Views: 2317

Re: A Hawaiian Long Diphthong Pronunciation Model

It's a clear contrast in length, though I had to listen to the "long" version three times to convince myself that there was no significant difference in quality. The short one sounded like a completely normal /ai/ diphthong, while the long one was surprisingly dark (towards /ʌːi/). No reason not to ...
by ariphron
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Blog of Ariphron is Live
Replies: 0
Views: 1425

The Blog of Ariphron is Live

It's at http://blogofariphron.com Expect a second post this Thursday or Friday, and weekly posts thereafter. Follow it in your blog reader if you're interested. This also marks the end of a period of about a year and a half when Chinese and German were the only foreign languages that I worked on. I ...
by ariphron
Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:15 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: What exactly is non-biblical Koine?
Replies: 5
Views: 3947

Re: What exactly is non-biblical Koine?

Koine refers to a language based originally on Attic Greek that developed written and spoken forms which eventually became dominant throughout the Levant for communicating between speakers of different languages/dialects. It is often considered that Xenophon marks the beginning of written Koine, for...
by ariphron
Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:30 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Νικόλαος Νικολαόυ, Τεξτκὶτ θαμῶσι εὐ πράττειν
Replies: 10
Views: 4580

Re: Νικόλαος Νικολαόυ, Τεξτκὶτ θαμῶσι εὐ πράττειν

Welcome to Textkit. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and the work you've done on (and against) Quora.
by ariphron
Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vox Graeca Audios / Examples?
Replies: 6
Views: 3322

Re: Vox Graeca Audios / Examples?

His ongoing project of the Spartan Constitution (attributed to Xenophon) has no background music. The first chapter is out on YouTube; I’m eagerly anticipating the rest. For extensive recordings that stick to Allen’s recommendations, you almost have to go with Stratakis, or else Daitz at http://www....
by ariphron
Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:42 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: First 100 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 22
Views: 10871

Re: First 100 lines of the Iliad

Joel, I appreciate the work you’ve put into this, and some might find your marked-up version helpful. But I have to tell you that any classicist worthy of the name would be able to read these lines without difficulty, and would find your mark-up more distracting than useful. What your annotation fa...
by ariphron
Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: xenophon Anabasis 1.5.2 εἰ δέ τι καὶ ἄλλο + μὲν δὲ
Replies: 12
Views: 4301

Re: xenophon Anabasis 1.5.2 εἰ δέ τι καὶ ἄλλο + μὲν δὲ

One more point: ἅπαντα ἦσαν, a plural verb with a neuter plural noun--which flies in the face of everything we (think we) know about Greek. Obviously, Xenophon failed to read his Mastronarde and his Smyth. I think (though I could be wrong) what's going on here is that there are two different catego...
by ariphron
Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:20 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?
Replies: 11
Views: 4384

Re: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?

Introducing a sentence with "The book looks like" indicates to me that you have not read it and are therefore perhaps not best placed to judge. A more informed review can be found here http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2004/2004-04-10.html . I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to a different book by Pro...
by ariphron
Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?
Replies: 11
Views: 4384

Re: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?

Skimming through the video, I would say that it pretty much covers what beginners need to know about the rules of Greek accents (as written) and no more. Most textbooks will say about the same thing with more or less clarity. As to what you heard in the stress accents, it is rather unusual for one p...
by ariphron
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:51 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Re-Organizing the Forums
Replies: 56
Views: 43208

Re: Re-Organizing the Forums

Three main categories of posts in Learning Greek: 1. General discussions of the language and study techniques 2. Discussion of interpretation and textual issues for specific texts 3. Textbooks and Study Groups. If we reorganize, then barring a massive job of sorting through the archives, old posts f...
by ariphron
Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:11 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Sprechen Sie Attisch?
Replies: 36
Views: 26850

Re: Sprechen Sie Attisch?

Only now, a couple days ago, did I come across this project, after several months off from learning Greek. During much of that period, I worked on my German every day, so the recording comes to me at a very good time. This book is quite enjoyable to go through with the help of your recording. Thank ...
by ariphron
Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:36 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question regarding οὐ
Replies: 14
Views: 4412

Re: Question regarding οὐ

I suppose we might think of οὐ the same way. That’s how Smyth presents it, see bedwere's link. But the other negative, μή, does have an accent. Go figure. Smyth is good on facts, less good on explanations (e.g. he won’t tell you why ὁ has no accent but τόν does). We learn just to accept these thing...
by ariphron
Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64804

Re: Greek reader reviews

This discussion deserves an update. I’ve made more recordings over the last month, including Morice (56-74), plus Xenophon’s Anabasis Book 1 Chapter 8, and also some adapted Herodotus: The Battle of Marathon from Phillpotts’s adaptation and the Boyhood of Cyrus (plus some other excerpts) from Farnel...
by ariphron
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 9137

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

Single-length vowels: ᾰ, ε, ῐ, ο, ῠ Double-length: ᾱ, η, ῑ, ῡ, ω Dipthongs αι, αυ, ει, ευ, οι, ου, ηυ, υι, ᾳ, ῃ, ῳ It's surprising that the early Greeks were able to maintain so many graphically distinct vowels -- likely phonetically distinct -- it was probably only possible because of the vowel le...
by ariphron
Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel / Diphthong length
Replies: 9
Views: 4634

Re: Vowel / Diphthong length

It seems we have three hypotheses floating around here, not counting the one proposed by Lucus Eques in the other thread: 1. The traditional view, that these finals are diphthongs, normally making the syllables “long by nature” except in cases of “epic correption”, but that for some unknown reason t...
by ariphron
Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel / Diphthong length
Replies: 9
Views: 4634

Re: Vowel / Diphthong length

Final -αι and -οι before a vowel usually scan short in Homer, or at least those parts of Homer that I've read; I'm not sure why you would pronounce it long. I haven't really read any Attic verse, but skimming through several pages of tragedy, every occurrence I found was followed by a consonant. If ...
by ariphron
Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 9137

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

There are basically 3 ways to pronounce Ancient Greek that are currently used, and the biggest difference is in the pronunciation of the vowels and diphthongs: 1. Restored Attic/Erasmian (variations): α/ε/η/ι/ο/υ/ω/ου/αι/οι/ει 11 distinct vowel/diphthongs 2. Restored Koine/NT: α/ε=αι/η/ι=ει/ο=ω/υ=ο...
by ariphron
Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64804

Re: Greek reader reviews

For an example in English, listen to the sample audio from Griffin's reading Gibbon: http://www.audible.com/pd/History/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-Roman-Empire-Audiobook/B00VXXUFYO/ Is Griffin paying attention as he reads? I can't tell. He puts his artifice into individual words, and the phrases do...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64804

Re: Greek reader reviews

I listened to the first story, and I think that it might be useful to give each story a few reads before recording, until you feel that you can really communicate what it's saying. That's exactly what I did. For the one you're referring to, #17 (which I recorded recently; #11-16 are much older reco...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 9137

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

I would encourage people to re-read a text until they can read it with a decent flow and meaning and then record themselves to listen to later. The mind learns language much more efficiently through the ear than through the eye. If we could listen to ancient Greeks reading, that would be great. But...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64804

Re: Greek reader reviews

But why, when Herodotus does not use Attic dialect forms? Working out a distinctively Ionic reading style for Herodotus involves adjusting the vowels to something slightly different from Attic, and dropping all h's. I suspect that if I did so, it would be a lot of effort for nothing,resulting in re...
by ariphron
Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 64804

Re: Greek reader reviews

A First Greek Reader by Charles M. Moss https://archive.org/details/afirstgreekread00mossgoog I haven't read this one yet. I would love to hear other people's reviews. I looked at it, and felt that it was very closely modeled on the Morice. Some of the stories are the same as in Morice, but simplif...