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by jeidsath
Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

I used to think that the boat building passage in the Odyssey was the most annoying passage in ancient literature (Od. 5.234-53) I've been teaching myself to sail on a small handmade wooden boat the last few weeks, and have found myself wishing several times that the poet had spent more time descri...
by jeidsath
Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: των αγαθων - for the good things
Replies: 12
Views: 279

Re: των αγαθων - for the good things

Smyth 1405-1409 on the Genitive of Cause is worth reading here. It lists examples like οὐκέτι ὧν οὗτοι κλέπτουσιν ὀργίζεσθε, ἀλλ᾽ ὧν αὐτοὶ λαμβάνετε χάριν ἴστε. Philo seems on solid ground.
by jeidsath
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

The most general construction that I came up with begins with a diameter of a circle A B, and with a rectangle drawn on that circle with corners A B C D. First construct an arc of the circle that is 8/3rds the height of the rectangle (AC = BD). There are many ways to do this. Then construct a rectan...
by jeidsath
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Why is the Herodotus Histories Book1 called Clio? doh!
Replies: 3
Views: 131

Re: Why is the Herodotus Histories Book1 called Clio? doh!

I think that mwh's point about Κλειώ was that the name was from κλείω = κλέω, "I tell of, make famous, celebrate".

No room for revisionism in Greek history.
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 48
Views: 4752

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

I'm afraid that in May my youngest daughter stopped being willing to sleep except when she was held by an adult, and I'm only just now catching up on sleep. I made it through the chapter on the Minotaur, and haven't been able to make time for Latin since. Hopefully I'll be able to get back to it soon.
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

I was thinking about this during the sermon today and realized that I had forgot to divide by two. The maximum rectangle along the diameter will actually intersect the arc. The equilateral triangle will have a height of 3/2 * r, and a base of sqrt(3) * r. The equivalent rectangle by area with a leng...
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

a given rectangle built on the diameter Hmm. If this is a "construct the triangle" problem that could be reasonable. But if it's an existence problem (as stated), any rectangle that intersects the circle on its far side is trivial. The interesting case is when the height gets just beyond 1.5 times ...
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

Also, the largest triangle that can be inscribed in a circle is a equilateral triangle, which is made up of three isosceles triangles, which split into two 30/60/90 triangles. Each of those have sides: r/2 : sqrt(3) * r / 2 : r and area (1/2) * b * h: r^2 * sqrt(3) / 4 Total area for the equilateral...
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 341

Re: meno 87a

λέγω δὲ τὸ ἐξ ὑποθέσεως ὧδε, ὥσπερ οἱ γεωμέτραι πολλάκις σκοποῦνται, ἐπειδάν τις ἔρηται αὐτούς, οἷον περὶ χωρίου, εἰ οἷόν τε ἐς τόνδε τὸν κύκλον τόδε τὸ χωρίον τρίγωνον ἐνταθῆναι, εἴποι ἄν τις ὅτι “Οὔπω οἶδα εἰ ἔστιν τοῦτο τοιοῦτον, ἀλλ’ ὥσπερ μέν τινα ὑπόθεσιν προὔργου οἶμαι ἔχειν πρὸς τὸ πρᾶγμα τ...
by jeidsath
Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: omission of article, Men 84e
Replies: 5
Views: 111

Re: omission of article, Men 84e

I think that τινὰ in there supports Philo. Something like: οὐκοῦν ἐστιν αὕτη γράμμη ἐκ γωνίας εἰς γωνίαν τινὰ τέμνουσα δίχα ἕκαστον τούτων τῶν χωρίων Wouldn't this be a line from a corner to some corner that has cut each of the spaces in half? The OCT brackets the τινὰ with "secl. Schleiermacher." W...
by jeidsath
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending
Replies: 8
Views: 220

Re: -σθ- in 1st pl pres ind mp ending

Also see Kühner T1.B2.211.7.Anmerk for a number of examples. Anmerk. Als Nebenform der 1. Person des Plurals erscheint μεσθα, welches sich in der epischen, sowie auch in der (dorischen und) attischen Dichtersprache neben μεθα oft findet (s. Greg. C. 181 und 462), als: ἐδινεόμεσθα Od. ι, 153. τετιμήμ...
by jeidsath
Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 24-47
Replies: 31
Views: 1000

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 24-47

Somehow "utterly" seems to mean "not utterly" here. A different word might have been more appropriate.

Also, this thread seems like a terrible place to have a discussion about illegal immigration and the Romans.
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Seven Against Thebes 628
Replies: 3
Views: 178

Seven Against Thebes 628

κλύοντες θεοὶ δικαίας λιτὰς
ἁμετέρας τελεῖθ᾽, ὡς πόλις εὐτυχῇ,
δορίπονα κάκ᾽ ἐκτρέποντες ἐς γᾶς
ἐπιμόλους· πύργων δ᾽ ἔκτοθεν
βαλὼν Ζεύς σφε κάνοι κεραυνῷ.

Is ἐς γᾶς ἐπιμόλους a poetic inversion? Should it be understood as “onto the invaders of our land” or “into the land of the invaders”?
by jeidsath
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Long and superlong syllables (ει vs ῃ), and word order question
Replies: 9
Views: 303

Re: Long and superlong syllables (ει vs ῃ), and word order question

Perhaps of interest to you though is Martin West's calculation that a long syllable/position is 5/6 the length of two short syllables. I find it unlikely that vowel length was ever so regular. Modern languages are not. There's a base length from the mechanics of your mouth and larynx, but there is ...
by jeidsath
Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Long and superlong syllables (ει vs ῃ), and word order question
Replies: 9
Views: 303

Re: Long and superlong syllables (ει vs ῃ), and word order question

But ῃ must be even longer than ει, or else there wouldn't be a difference. Metrically there is no difference, and it's hard to know more. Some languages (e.g., Hawaiian) have extra long vowels/diphthongs distinguished only by length, but Allen suggests a quality difference as more likely for Greek....
by jeidsath
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: EPISTLE OF BARNABAS (1st-mid-2nd c.) on Christ "in the flesh in/and a figure" (SOLVED)
Replies: 3
Views: 455

Re: EPISTLE OF BARNABAS (1st-mid-2nd c.) on Christ "in the flesh in/and a figure" (SOLVED)

"a figure but in flesh"

No. τύπῳ is dative, not nominative. You're going to have to learn some Greek if you want to tackle these questions.
by jeidsath
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ανάγκη
Replies: 34
Views: 1415

Re: Ανάγκη

I also agree with ἑκηβόλος - I too read Smyth section a. which you quoted as an exception. I think that the Cambridge Grammar is clearer on δοκῶ/δοκεῖ personal/impersonal use and I refer you to 51.30. Smyth 1983 a. does not read like an exception at all, and in fact the Cambridge Grammar at 51.30 e...
by jeidsath
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Sanskrit OCR in 1980
Replies: 2
Views: 213

Re: Sanskrit OCR in 1980

Fixed
by jeidsath
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Sanskrit OCR in 1980
Replies: 2
Views: 213

Sanskrit OCR in 1980

Sanskrit and OCR A talk given by Dan Ingalls and his father at Xerox PARC in 1980. It describes a project to determine authorship of various sections of the great Indian epic, the Mahabharata. Dan Sr introduces the Sanskrit language and talks about the traits of oral and written authorship. Dan Jr ...
by jeidsath
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ανάγκη
Replies: 34
Views: 1415

Re: Ανάγκη

That seems persuasive to me, but I don't know if ὡς would separate a subject from its verb like that.
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ανάγκη
Replies: 34
Views: 1415

Re: Ανάγκη

σκόπει δή, εἰπεῖν τὸν Σωκράτη, ἀντὶ τοῦ εἰκότος εἰ ἀνάγκη οὕτως, τὸ ἐπιθυμοῦν ἐπιθυμεῖν οὗ ἐνδεές ἐστιν, ἢ μὴ ἐπιθυμεῖν, ἐὰν μὴ ἐνδεὲς ᾖ; ἐμοὶ μὲν γὰρ θαυμαστῶς δοκεῖ, ὦ Ἀγάθων, ὡς ἀνάγκη εἶναι: σοὶ δὲ πῶς; κἀμοί, φάναι, δοκεῖ. As mentioned before, there is an idiom in this passage, See the adverb ...
by jeidsath
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions
Replies: 7
Views: 660

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions

Well, that was the point of the question, Barry. I would understand a neuter substantive for something like this:

ἀνὰ δύο δὲ καὶ ἥμισυ [σπιθαμῶν] κατὰ μέτωπον

But would he say " ἀνὰ δύο δὲ καὶ ἥμισυ λόγων"? Does it make as much sense to mark out laws like that?
by jeidsath
Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions
Replies: 7
Views: 660

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books I-XVI) 4 Questions

Why is ἥμισυ neuter? Looking through all of Josephus' uses of μέτωπον, which he uses to mean geometric "face" or "front" a great number of times -- unlike the Septuagint or NT, which do not ever use it that way -- I can't convince myself that he means "columns." There's nothing comparable that I cou...
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:45 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 690

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

There are examples in ancient literature where castration was an attempt to reassign gender, for example Nero's castration of Sporus prior to a "marriage". Puerum Sporum exsectis testibus etiam in muliebrem naturam transfigurare conatus cum dote et flammeo per sollemnia nuptiarum celeberrimo offici...
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: LatinDiscussion forum down
Replies: 3
Views: 220

Re: LatinDiscussion forum down

It looks like it's back up. http://latindiscussion.com/forum/
by jeidsath
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: LatinDiscussion forum down
Replies: 3
Views: 220

Re: LatinDiscussion forum down

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by jeidsath
Sun May 26, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Nile shipwreck discovery proves Herodotus right
Replies: 18
Views: 1763

Re: Nile shipwreck discovery proves Herodotus right

There's a passage in Xenophon, I forget where just now, where the claim is made that the Greek mercenaries are self-evidently hardier than the Persians. Perhaps it was just chauvinism, which there is some amount of in the Anabasis. However, the area of Iran in modern times, like California, seems to...
by jeidsath
Thu May 23, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 22
Views: 1222

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

And yet I do all right somehow. It’s truly a mystery. You’ll notice that the method that I recommended is no different than using a lexicon, except with less time wasted page flipping. If you are following it, you will only be getting English input on words you would have to look up anyway. In fact,...
by jeidsath
Thu May 23, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 22
Views: 1222

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

I really like that format, actually. It's easy to only read the Greek, skipping the English, and then pause to check your understanding if you strike on a word you're unsure of. Very similar to Ilya Frank's method, which is worth looking up. My own recommendation for using it would be: First pass: r...
by jeidsath
Tue May 21, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Ch. 2 Wheelock's Sentence Translation
Replies: 7
Views: 1134

Re: Ch. 2 Wheelock's Sentence Translation

The endings of the words provide some information about them: San am form am vit ae conserv ate English signals "direct object of the verb" by putting the word after the verb. "Maintain a ... form..." Latin signals it with an accusative ending, here form am . English puts an adjective before a noun ...
by jeidsath
Tue May 21, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 690

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

It doesn't feel right lumping gender reassignment surgery in with the ancient practice of (usually child) castration. People with gender dysphoria deserve enormous sympathy, having a mental condition that very frequently leads to disastrous outcomes (50% or higher risk of suicide or violence against...
by jeidsath
Tue May 21, 2019 12:24 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 690

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

If that's the context, then it would be extremely suggestive, yes. Whether an accusation that Alexander’s sexual relations with Eunuchs could be described as “gay sex” seems to me wrongheaded. I wonder in what Sexual category BrianB would put the Eunuchs. If “gay” is to mean sexual attraction for th...
by jeidsath
Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Pindar, Pythian 1
Replies: 4
Views: 390

Re: Pindar, Pythian 1

Btw, can someone explain why, in the first line, " καὶ " is scanned short? Epic correption. Very common in Homer, which you may wish to tackle before Pindar. A long vowel at the end of a word before another word beginning with a vowel, will often (though not always) scan as short. I've just correct...
by jeidsath
Mon May 20, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions
Replies: 9
Views: 690

Re: JOSEPHUS' ANTIQUITIES (Books XVI-XX) 4 Questions

Tentative answers to two of your four questions. (1) In Whiston’s eighteenth-century English, “criminal conversation” is a euphemism equivalent to “illicit intercourse”. So, yes, Herod’s son was paying for gay sex. Whiston's translation of this or what Whiston meant hardly matters. This was written...
by jeidsath
Sat May 18, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: HELLENISTIC SYNAGOGAL PRAYERS (100 - 380 AD) Question on "Positive Law"
Replies: 1
Views: 243

Re: HELLENISTIC SYNAGOGAL PRAYERS (100 - 380 AD) Question on "Positive Law"

In the first link you give, the Greek is νομικὴ παραίνεσις. From the words, I would think that meant "legal exhortation." (And that's what you got independently for the Russian now that I scroll down.) But I don't know anything about the general use or context. Lampe quotes this section in his entry...
by jeidsath
Thu May 16, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 912

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

I don’t understand how anyone reading the first section of Herodotus could think that the Greeks had no sense of particular Greek identity. They were slightly more pluralistic than the Japanese or Jews, perhaps, and perhaps not quite as nationalistic about their city-states as 20th century Europeans...
by jeidsath
Wed May 15, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek third declension nouns
Replies: 6
Views: 551

Re: Greek third declension nouns

No worries. I've been using language for most of my life, and still have plenty of problems with it. The dative plural endings often show transformation due to the sigma. The ending is -σι, and different stems change differently when they come into contact with it. Things to watch out for are πσ = ψ...
by jeidsath
Wed May 15, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek third declension nouns
Replies: 6
Views: 551

Re: Greek third declension nouns

"Third person plural" is for verbs. Nouns don't have "person". In English, the person in "I go, you go, he goes, we go, you go, they go" is "I, you, he, we, you, they". Nouns have case and number instead. Singular/Dual/Plural and Nominative/Accusative/Dative/Genitive/Vocative. To find the plural for...
by jeidsath
Wed May 15, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mathew 6:13 accent
Replies: 6
Views: 552

Re: Mathew 6:13 accent

τοῦς occurs 342 times in the TLG, always in later Greek. It's possible that it comes from the pronunciation confusion between final circumflex and final grave in stress-based Greek. But unless we can find some manuscripts that support that, it's as likely to come from bad digitization.
by jeidsath
Tue May 14, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pl Symp 174b
Replies: 2
Views: 234

Re: Pl Symp 174b

From Dover: πῶς ἔχεις...b1 ἰέναι lit. 'in what condition are you with regard to being willing ἄν to go...?', i.e. 'how do you feel' (cf. 176b7) 'about possibly being willing...?'. ἄν is odd, but serves to make Socrates' question tentative and diffident. The manuscripts actually have not ἂν ἰέναι but...