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by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: accusative of possession??
Replies: 4
Views: 114

Re: accusative of possession??

This shows the danger of trying to infer what a latin phrase might mean from an English translation without having a grasp of Latin grammar. You would be better working your way through Wheelock rather than trying to dip in. In the long term it will save you time because you would have seen, for ex...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Wilson's Odyssey - again
Replies: 13
Views: 282

Re: Wilson's Odyssey - again

I think we should always be a bit skeptical when someone uses an ad hominem to state that her work is better than someone else's. If her gender qualifies her to see things that male translators may have missed, does it also mean that she is missing things that her male counterparts are better qualif...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington
Replies: 10
Views: 885

Re: ΣΥΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ July 14–20, 2019 at the University of Kentucky, Lexington

θαυμαστόν τί μοι εἶναι δοκεῖ. νομίζεις ὅτι σοι ὠφέλιμον πολλὰ μανθάνοντι γέγονε;
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi!
Replies: 3
Views: 90

Re: Hi!

Wishing you all the best in your pursuits. So, for both Japanese and Chinese, what would you recommend as the top literature to read (in translation, please... :) ). Something on the level of Homer and Vergil for Western literature...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Could use some help making up a word and nailing down the literal meaning of the word syneidesis
Replies: 2
Views: 129

Re: Could use some help making up a word and nailing down the literal meaning of the word syneidesis

Greek and a multi-verse neural network? Does it really get any better than that? :) I'm also impressed that you seem to know what a hapax legomenon is -- your request is a step above the normal "Can you translate CEO into ancient Greek for a tatoo" request... I think syneidesis is admirably suited f...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὅτι + optative
Replies: 11
Views: 310

ὅτι + optative

What is the logic for use of the optative in indirect statement following verbs in secondary sequence?
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: JACT: Exercise 1H-J4. accents on ἐστί
Replies: 5
Views: 154

Re: JACT: Exercise 1H-J4. accents on ἐστί

seneca2008 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:50 am
Probert "A new short guide to the Accentuation of Ancient Greek" p 144 says:
That is the one of the few times that I have seen a book on Amazon with all 5 star reviews, all written giving good reasons for the rating. Looks like it's worth getting.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2307

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

Iterum dico me hoc defunctum esse. Scribendum latine bonum est sed sicut aliquis alibi dixit, vitam pete.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?
Replies: 7
Views: 541

Re: Can anyone recommend a good old sword-and-sandal movie?

As bad as the B level sword and sandals movies were, and I'm thinking specifically of the Hercules movies, they were my introduction to the ancient world, and planted a seed in my elementary school mind that led to reading mythology, which contributed to taking Latin in high school... One of the act...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX
Replies: 1
Views: 337

Re: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX

Just a quick follow up, on B-Greek Ken Penner, who worked on the New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS) pointed out that נחמ can also mean "comfort, console" and thinks that the LXX translator at this point for whatever reason defaulted to that meaning without attention to the context (not...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:28 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Interlinear LXX?
Replies: 5
Views: 267

Re: Interlinear LXX?

Lazy seminary students have used this volume to cheat since its publication: learn https://tinyurl.com/y5vuht9w I strongly recommend agains the use of an interlinear if your goal is actually to learn the language. Also, it would appear to me that this is a bible with English and the original langua...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Interlinear LXX?
Replies: 5
Views: 267

Re: Interlinear LXX?

Lazy seminary students have used this volume to cheat since its publication:
learn
https://tinyurl.com/y5vuht9w

I strongly recommend agains the use of an interlinear if your goal is actually to learn the language.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2307

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

FlatAssembler wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:27 pm

Annon cogitas plus probabile esse, ut ii conspicientes in coniuratione sint? Videas quod hic scripsi.
Id improbabilissimum esse duco. Coniurationes habeas. meliora quae faciam habeo.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: 1 Sam 15:11 LXX
Replies: 1
Views: 337

1 Sam 15:11 LXX

Παρακέκλημαι ὅτι ἐβασίλευσα τὸν Σαοὺλ εἰς βασιλέα...

Anyone want to comment on the use of παρακαλέω to render נחם? It seems like such an unusual choice, and only attested in this sense in the LXX.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 93-118
Replies: 26
Views: 1232

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 93-118

(Fitzgerald's "chasing the mountain goats" is a grotesque misunderstanding of τερπομένη κάπροισι, "delighting in boars," which she sends against those who displease her. And Sean we can't go defining Homeric words by reference to English translation of them!) Fitzgerald got it wrong. Imagine that. ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: The Agora
Topic: Pugna Vukovaris
Replies: 22
Views: 2307

Re: Pugna Vukovaris

Mihi, conscii qui eventus revera conspiciebant et scripta eo tempore, precipue diurnalia, veritatem rei confirmant. Sed quomodo possunt fideles conspicientes esse? Proelium spectare difficile est, ergo fideles testes non possunt esse, annon? Caligo belli? In paucis conscii adfuerunt. Petite etiam c...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

mwh wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:02 pm
π̣ερὶ ἡμ̣ῶ̣ν μνείαν ποίησαι. I’m sorry to have to point it out but this is not active but middle. The editor of the papyrus, having some competence in Greek, recognized that and accented accordingly.
Ah, so an imperative, good catch.
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Sorry, Joel, but I have no idea what you just said. Ditto. Joel, if you are saying what I think you are saying, then isn't looking for examples in the literature precisely what we need to be doing? Our work is descriptive, not prescriptive. Michael, I still look forward (genuinely, nor snarkily) to...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way. If you know that, Barry, because, like Michael, you have some "slight competence" in ancient Greek, I'll accept that :D . Though I would substitute "experience" for "competence". Well, I certainly trust Michael's slight experiential competence...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way How on earth would you know that? Notice that I used the word "suspect." Apart from a living linguaculture, nobody can know anything with certainty, but based on the ordinary usage that we've already pointed out, I think it's quite likely. Howe...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Vocabulary Books?
Replies: 9
Views: 459

Re: Latin Vocabulary Books?

From one of those "vocabulary books" just mentioned: commentārius ~(i)ī m. Also ~ium ~(i)ī neut., conm-. [commentum + -ārius] GENDER: where distinguishable more commonly m.; neut. VAR. L. 6.90, CIC. Brut. 164, VITR. 9.pr.14, LIV. 42.6.3, PLIN. Nat. 34.108, etc. Glare, P. G. W. (Ed.). (2012). Oxford ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag, 317e
Replies: 26
Views: 866

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

What do you mean by "possible"? I once had an international student say to me, "Shall we imbibe drinks tonight?" That's a possible English sentence. It even communicates successfully what the speaker intended. And it just isn't right, and it resulted in a good discussion on idiomatic ways to ask if...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like
Replies: 5
Views: 265

Re: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like

With binomial species names, .. there must be a way of saying ducklike. With binomial names, the suffix -oïdes , imported from greek, is employed. e.g., turdoïdes, rosoideae. Anatoïdes I guess. *** Perseus L & S has 25 ancient instances of it --- most are from Pliny's Historia : http://www.perseus....
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like
Replies: 5
Views: 265

Re: Help! Latin adjective suffix meaning like

Hi, Latin has loads of wonderful adjectival suffixes, eg bundus etc. But I can't find one which means like, eg duck like, doglike etc. With binomial species names, where the second one is an adjective, there must be a way of saying ducklike. I can find pertaining to a duck anatarius, anataria, anat...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Stop and Frisk
Replies: 5
Views: 281

Re: Stop and Frisk

jeidsath wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:39 pm
Alexander Nikolaev's paper Greek Etymology in the 21st century presents a "detailed illustration of methodological and other flaws of [Beekes' Etymological Dictionary of Greek]."
Thanks for this. So, do the defects listed outweigh its usefulness otherwise?
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: when ı learn latin declensions should ı write their meanings?
Replies: 5
Views: 183

Re: when ı learn latin declensions should ı write their meanings?

I don't know anything about the Dowling method, but the reason for doing the meanings along with the forms is to solidify that for the genitive, dative and ablative one adds words in English, namely prepositions, to complete the usage of the noun in context, and that for the nominative, and accusati...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92
Replies: 37
Views: 1293

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 71-92

Teenage girls turning laundry day into game day. Right, reading my own culture back into it. Or maybe things really haven't changed all that much in the last 3,000 or so years.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 400

Re: meno 99a

If you insist on using the Latin terminology, gen i tivus. Are you sure? Well, I was, until you made me look. OLD and L&S both have gen e tivus. I confess I never checked, but simply followed the modern texts I have which which supply Latin grammatical terminology, and use gen i tivus. The otherwis...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Il. 6.2-3 Genitive Absolute?
Replies: 10
Views: 565

Il. 6.2-3 Genitive Absolute?

2 πολλὰ δʼ ἄρʼ ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθʼ ἴθυσε μάχη πεδίοιο 3 ἀλλήλων ἰθυνομένων χαλκήρεα δοῦρα ἰθυνομένων: sc. “μαχητῶν”. cf. “περὶ στήθεσσι δὲ χαλκὸς ͅ σμερδαλέον κονάβιζε” (rang) “τιτυσκομένων” (aiming) “καθʼ ὅμιλον ͅ ἀλλήλων Ν” 497 ff. In later Greek, this would be considered as gen. abs., but here the impl...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 99a
Replies: 5
Views: 400

Re: meno 99a

ὧν δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἡγεμών ἐστιν ἐπὶ τὸ ὀρθόν, δύο ταῦτα, δόξα ἀληθὴς καὶ ἐπιστήμη. is this ὧν genetive of source/ Genetivus originis. In some editions it is replαced by ᾧ which is easier to understand. I can't stand it anymore. Gen i tive. Spelled with an "i." If you insist on using the Latin terminolo...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 96b
Replies: 1
Views: 192

Re: meno 96b

οὐκοῦν εἰ μήτε οἱ σοφισταὶ μήτε οἱ αὐτοὶ καλοὶ κἀγαθοὶ ὄντες διδάσκαλοί εἰσι τοῦ πράγματος, here οἱ before αὐτοὶ is probably not an article but a demonstr pr, otherwise αὐτοὶ would be in a attrib position. I don't see that. The article substantizes αὐτοὶ καλοὶ κἀγαθοὶ ὄντες, with διδάσκολοι as the ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: των αγαθων - for the good things
Replies: 13
Views: 729

Re: των αγαθων - for the good things

Smyth 1405-1409 on the Genitive of Cause is worth reading here. It lists examples like οὐκέτι ὧν οὗτοι κλέπτουσιν ὀργίζεσθε, ἀλλ᾽ ὧν αὐτοὶ λαμβάνετε χάριν ἴστε. Philo seems on solid ground. I'm not so sure about that: With verbs of emotion the genitive denotes the cause. Such verbs are to wonder at...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 897

Re: meno 87a

I used to think that the boat building passage in the Odyssey was the most annoying passage in ancient literature (Od. 5.234-53), followed closely by Caesar's description of building a bridge (DBG 4.17), and for students of the New Testament, the shipwreck described in Acts 27. This passage, however...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1107

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

Sidenote: I also couldn't help chuckling at your title for the thread. "Only to Understand Classics..." For most of us, that's the main reason for learning the language... :D Speaking for myself, while I do love Virgil, Cicero, and Ovid, I learned Latin primarily to read the medieval scholastics an...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: των αγαθων - for the good things
Replies: 13
Views: 729

Re: των αγαθων - for the good things

if im mistaken then im mistaken in a good company including Engllish-Greek dictionary that classifies this genetive as causal. I personally don't see how it can be anything but objective. Which English-Greek dictionary classifies it as causal? LSJ lists the usage and gives an English gloss but does...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: "Religion" in the Pro Milone
Replies: 1
Views: 240

"Religion" in the Pro Milone

est, est illa vis profecto, neque in his corporibus atque in hac imbecillitate nostra inest quiddam quod vigeat et sentiat, non inest in hoc tanto naturae tamque praeclaro motu. Nisi forte idcirco non putant quia non apparet nec cernitur, proinde quasi nostram ipsam mentem qua sapimus, qua providemu...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 1107

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

Seneca beat me to it here. A good beginning text with clear explanations of the grammar and a healthy amount of readings and exercises is a vastly preferable approach. I think you'll have a good experience with Ørberg -- I recently reviewed it for a change in curriculum where I teach, and I was very...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: meno 87a
Replies: 19
Views: 897

Re: meno 87a

LSJ takes it as transitive citing this usage, if that helps:
LSJ wrote:4. apply a figure to a straight line, Pl.Men.87a; abs., Id.R.527a.
Liddell, H. G., Scott, R., Jones, H. S., & McKenzie, R. (1996). A Greek-English lexicon (p. 1327). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Reading early fragments
Replies: 9
Views: 1013

Re: Reading early fragments

From which we infer that Barry does not read Plautus, or he would not say such a ridiculous thing. From which we can infer that MWH perhaps himself lacks a sense of humor, or perhaps that his formidable competence doesn't extend to seeing the tongue-in-cheek implicit in my post, or even that he has...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 48-70
Replies: 44
Views: 1998

Re: Odyssey Reading Group: Book 6 Lines 48-70

I simply enjoyed the coy Daughter-Father interaction. Let me shamelessly impute my cultural context: as a Father of two daughters, I had no problem recognizing what was going on. My daughters always "win." It's a good thing they have a mother who can "just say no..." :)