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by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη
Replies: 19
Views: 524

Re: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη

ἑκατέρου δ’ ἐστὶ φάρμακον τὰ ὑπεναντία τῷ ὑπεναντίῳ· αὐτίκα ὅταν φλεγμαίνῃ χλωρὸς ἐών, ... which Craik translates as "But in each case [previously described] a drug acts as opposite to opposite. For example, when a patient who is pale becomes phlegmatic ...", where in context αὐτίκα is best transla...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Dictionary Links...
Replies: 2
Views: 118

Latin Dictionary Links...

And a few Greek as well. Some of these are bound to be useful:

http://scholalatina.it/dizionari-et-sim ... 19GU2Xmsyk
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 791

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Well, it looked unpronounceable last night well I was up late with an upset baby and was thinking about it. Now it doesn't seem so bad. Is it ac or āc? Ørberg gives the first, and Lease claims the same in "The Use of Atque and Ac in Silver Latin" (1902). OLD does not mark it as long: atque, ac conj...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν
Replies: 12
Views: 393

Re: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν

Callisper wrote:
Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:46 pm

But isn't it likelier that the law in question is the ὁ Νόμος of Galatians 5:14-15? I'm not yet convinced I should consider my statement counter-exampled.
By using the anarthrous νόμος, Paul includes the Torah without excluding other types of law.
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 791

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

In chapter X: Canis amicus hominis est, ea bestia fera non est. Does gender of the demonstratives switch like this in Latin? I was a bit surprised that ea would agree with bestia fera rather than canis amicus. You have two independent clauses without a conjunction (asyndeton, if you like), each wit...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν
Replies: 12
Views: 393

Re: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν

Out of the four translations just quoted, only one was translated by people sensitive enough to the Greek to notice something like this one way or the other. Callisper's interpretation makes a lot of sense and doesn't seem to be precluded by the grammar. Look at verse 18: εἰ δὲ πνεύματι ἄγεσθε, οὐκ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν
Replies: 12
Views: 393

Re: Gal 5:23 ἔστιν

I've always read the anarthrous usages of the law in this passage (vs. 18 and 23) as the law in abstract without specific reference to the ὁ νόμος of vs. 14, inclusive of the Torah but not restricted to it. To my knowledge, the history of interpretation pretty consistently, but not universally, sees...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Unit 12 Part III No. 7
Replies: 4
Views: 158

Re: Unit 12 Part III No. 7

I am trying to review datives and am getting confused. If the stone is an instrumental dative, would not "the enemy" also be an instrumental dative, since they are the instrument throwing the stones? I am getting very confused as to when to use a preposition and when to let the grammatical case do ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 791

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Ok just to let u know that the easiest Latin author for beginners is Cornelius Nepos Nepos is nice, I think I mentioned in another thread that in an earlier period he was often used as a first advanced text and alternative to Caesar. Eutropius is easier, I think, but a lot more boring. Don't try an...
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 30
Views: 791

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Well, I've been dipping into the Vulgate as well, which is easy to read alongside the Greek text. However I can't always distinguish the Latin case, especially when it doesn't coincide exactly with the Latin case (which is what I'm most interested in). I'm not sure how much help the Vulgate's Latin...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hullo
Replies: 10
Views: 356

Re: Hullo

Ἴδετε· https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59a57141ccc5c513c9358dfd/t/5bbd9c747817f7f4ebddb06a/1507728789742/s18-2.jpg Ούτοι τινες εισι εν τη φωτογραφία; ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ φωτογραφίᾳ τὸν bedwere βλέπομεν καὶ τὸν jeidsath. λαλοῦσιν δὲ οὗτοι Ἑλληνιστί. τοῦτο δὲ οὐ θαυμαστόν ἐστι; οἵ γε δύο καλλοὶ κ'αγαθ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 46
Views: 49451

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

Nepos is good, about the same level of difficulty as Caesar, maybe a bit easier (although that's often a subjective evaluation) and in the 19th and early 20th centuries was often used as an intermediate or first advanced text.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin
Replies: 4
Views: 154

Re: Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin

jeidsath wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:53 pm
Mine is well-thumbed. But it depends on what you want it for. The new Cambridge grammar delivers the pronunciation advice without any of the reasoning or discussion. (Including "Cockney Belt", about which we had a thread recently.)
I would like the reasoning and discussion.
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin
Replies: 4
Views: 154

Re: Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin

Thanks, Hylander, for some reason these didn't come up in the search that I ran (not that I tried very hard, mind you). I might be able to get my school to pay for the Latin one, but if I want the Greek, it's up to me. Do you think they are worth having despite the bad paper?
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Terence Adelphoe 254-255
Replies: 7
Views: 222

Re: Terence Adelphoe 254-255

Most people do not realize that aequum est is construed with Acc+Inf because they feel like Dat+Inf would be more natural. Now you know. Thanks for sharing... :lol: Seriously, that's a good point. I don't know how often, especially as a beginning-intermediate student, my expectations of the text th...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Terence Adelphoe 254-255
Replies: 7
Views: 222

Re: Terence Adelphoe 254-255

No, it really helps/it makes one happy if he who ought to perform a good deed does perform it. Here quem facere is acc cum infinitivo depending on aequum est. It may also mean: it really makes one happy if someone who ought to act does act well. Yes, considering the previous thought: Abs quivis hom...
by Barry Hofstetter
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin
Replies: 4
Views: 154

Sturtevant, Pronunciation of Greek and Latin

I have the text above, second edition (1940). Can anyone recommend something more recent? I can't imagine that there's been no progress in the subject since 1940... :)
by Barry Hofstetter
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Stress in denique
Replies: 3
Views: 246

Re: Stress in denique

Yes, stress on the first syllable, but I also want to add that the finale e is short: dēnĭquĕ. Lewis & Short erroneously mark it and many other instances of final -ĕ as long: cf. https://www.jstor.org/stable/641434 Of course this wouldn't change the pronunciation, but this is something I've never n...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dubious construction
Replies: 4
Views: 222

Re: Dubious construction

This is an artificially contrived ambiguity. In context (Plato’s version of Socrates’ defense speech) there’s not the slightest doubt as to the meaning. Besides, in the original sentence isn’t there a ἑκών too? thank you i was afraid that i had misunderstood some basics. Constantinius, it would rea...
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus 1 45
Replies: 1
Views: 96

Re: Herodotus 1 45

βιώσιμος, ον, (βιόω) to be lived, χρόνος E.Alc.650; αἱ β. ἡμέραι Lib.Decl.2.34; esp. οὐ βιώσιμόν ἐστί τινι ’tis not meet for him to live, Hdt.1.45; τί γὰρ μόνῃ μοι τῆσδʼ ἄτερ β.; S.Ant.566; οὐκ ἂν ἦν βιώσιμα ἀνθρώποισι Hdt.3.109. 2. likely to live, Thphr.HP9.12.1, Arr.An.2.4.8. Liddell, H. G., Scott...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 46
Views: 49451

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

Is virent vireo? Of course, Green Eggs and Ham. What's fun about their translation is 1) It's not literal, 2) the translators found inspiration in medieval Latin poetry and thus composed in trochaic tetrameter using accent rather syllable length. I've used it for a fun break from normal classroom s...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plutarch, Agis, 17.2 placing the verb inside the subject
Replies: 18
Views: 529

Re: Plutarch, Agis, 17.2 placing the verb inside the subject

I think you are looking at this the wrong way. Do you really think he first thought of writing καταβιῶναι and then thought, "Well, why don't I add ἐγ- for reason a [or b or c, take your pick]"? Does anyone write like that? The expression δεῖ με . . . ἐγκαταβιῶναι ταύταις ταῖς συμφοραῖς undoubtedly ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ave, Imperator...
Replies: 2
Views: 181

Re: Ave, Imperator...

What does this AUT non actually mean?AUT non morituri? Literally, just as we might respond in English, "or not" and something like morientur would be understood from the context just as in English. Suetonius reported how the combatants actually took these words: ‘haue imperator, morituri te salutan...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 46
Views: 49451

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

Virent Ova! Viret Perna! Is just outstanding. In fact, it might be better in Latin than the original English.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἔστι
Replies: 22
Views: 680

Re: ἔστι

Since I can use ἔστι for "there is / there exist," what do I use for "there was / there were." Would I use some past tense form of ἔστι? The only past tense of εἰμί is the imperfect, and yes, it may be used in that way. If you wish to use the aorist, Greek uses other verb forms to express the conce...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:50 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Again dat ethicus
Replies: 1
Views: 120

Re: Again dat ethicus

It's αὐτῷ, not ἑαυτῷ or αὑτῷ, in other words, not the reflexive. Secondly, it's the dative with μέλω: 4. 3 sg. is freq. used impers. with the object in gen., and pers. in dat., ᾧ μέλει μάχας to whom there is care for the battle, who careth for it, A.Ch.946 (lyr.), cf. Ag.974; ἐμοὶ δʼ ἔλασσον Ζηνὸς ἢ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ave, Imperator...
Replies: 2
Views: 181

Ave, Imperator...

When I was but a wee lad taking Latin in high school, my Latin teacher (of blessed memory) taught us the gladiatorial greeting, Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutamus. Being the kind of student I was, I immediately began writing on all my exams Ave, magister/magistra, moriturus te saluto, eventually abb...
by Barry Hofstetter
Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:08 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Free Greek and Latin Grammars
Replies: 0
Views: 84

Free Greek and Latin Grammars

FYI only, I haven't had a chance to look these over. Has anyone else? But free... :)

http://coderch-greek-latin-grammar.weebly.com/
by Barry Hofstetter
Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ilias Latina
Replies: 5
Views: 402

Re: Ilias Latina

Fascinating, and looks fun, but right now I'm concentrating only on texts written in antiquity. I'm a bit surprised with how easy the Ilias Latina is. Is this because it was actually a teaching text, and deliberately simplified?
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Xen. Cyr. 3, 2, 12
Replies: 1
Views: 128

Re: Xen. Cyr. 3, 2, 12

This question is answered by the previous context (3.2.10) ὡς δὲ διώκοντες οἱ Χαλδαῖοι εἶδον ἐναντίους μαχαιροφόρους ἱεμένους ἄνω, οἱ μέν τινες αὐτοῖς πελάσαντες ταχὺ ἀπέθνῃσκον, οἱ δʼ ἔφευγον, οἱ δέ τινες καὶ ἑάλωσαν αὐτῶν, ταχὺ δὲ εἴχετο τὰ ἄκρα. ἐπεὶ δὲ τὰ ἄκρα εἶχον οἱ ἀμφὶ τὸν Κῦρον ... Xenopho...
by Barry Hofstetter
Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:35 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Λουκάς Introduction
Replies: 4
Views: 296

Re: Λουκάς Introduction

Welcome, Lukas. It's never too late! Attic is your best bet to meet your goals. Did you ask the college about it?
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translating "to" into Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 342

Re: Translating "to" into Greek

Hylander wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:42 pm
But not a dative complement of the person betrayed.
Right, but the OP was about "entrust," ἐπιτρέπω, and how to use the dative with it. It also uses and accusative D.O. and dative I.O.
by Barry Hofstetter
Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translating "to" into Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 342

Re: Translating "to" into Greek

those who speak Russian do not have such problems Not necessarily. Some Russian verbs take different cases as complements than their Greek equivalents. For example, προδίδωμι takes an accusative complement, but изменять takes a dative complement. What I know about Russian can be engraved in large b...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translating "to" into Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 342

Re: Translating "to" into Greek

The answer is... it depends. Sorry :shock: But I mean it. Now here is a very general rule of thumb. Often, when the verb in English can be followed with the preposition "to," the verb takes a dative complement (indirect object) to show to or for whom the action is done. Verbs like give, "I give the ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Accusative v. Dative
Replies: 2
Views: 117

Re: Accusative v. Dative

With ἔξεστι, the person(s) permitted to do the action in the infinitive go into the dative.

And shouldn't it be φυγεῖν (or φεύγειν if you haven't had aorist yet).
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order with εξεστι?
Replies: 20
Views: 494

Re: Word Order with εξεστι?

Constantinus Philo wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:49 pm
Μια δ'αυτη οδός ην ορας όρθια εστι
I see. I thought you were talking about the specific clause containing ἔξεστι, and was confused as to exactly what that had to do with the original question.
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order with εξεστι?
Replies: 20
Views: 494

Re: Word Order with εξεστι?

Please indicate the correct reference number for the first example from Xen. In the second example there is bc as an ellipse of εστί, right? 3.1.13, sorry, typos happen. Here is context for the second citation: ἀποκρίνεται ὁ Χειρίσοφος· βλέψον, ἔφη, πρὸς τὰ ὄρη καὶ ἰδὲ ὡς ἄβατα πάντα ἐστί· μία δʼ α...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order with εξεστι?
Replies: 20
Views: 494

Re: Word Order with εξεστι?

Judging from these examples, ἔξεστι can come first or last or in between. The dative object and infinitive can precede or follow, go up next to ἔξεστι, or be separated by several words. In other words the the order is highly flexible. :) A selection from Xenophon's Anabasis indicates the same. ὁποῖ...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Incorporation Xen. Mem. 3, 9, 12
Replies: 9
Views: 258

Re: Incorporation Xen. Mem. 3, 9, 12

Since this is a conditional or general relative clause, it would probably be εν πράγματι εν ω... But yes this is incorporation without attraction. Exactly how I would have explained it, but apparently I've been using non-standard terminology, and so appreciate the clarification and the reference in...
by Barry Hofstetter
Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software
Replies: 22
Views: 678

Re: Classical Greek Recommended Word Processing Software

For the Mac, there is a free Greek polytonic keyboard included that works fine.