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by Cursus
Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:20 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 3rd-person imperatives
Replies: 5
Views: 2283

Re: 3rd-person imperatives

It never occurred to me to look up "future imperative." Silly Latin. That info (and A&G's description of them now that I knew what to look for) lead me to think they're not really interchangeable. Thanks for for providing that. So would it be fair to say the difference between "Juliam amet" and "Jul...
by Cursus
Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:52 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 3rd-person imperatives
Replies: 5
Views: 2283

3rd-person imperatives

Wheelock didn't really discuss them, so I'm wondering if these are basically synonymous with the jussive subjunctive. For example, could "Let him/her/it love Julia" be rendered either as "Juliam amet" or "Juliam amato"? The subjunctive sounds much more natural, and my grammars don't really address t...
by Cursus
Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)
Replies: 7
Views: 3726

Re: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)

Klew, see here: http://geoffreysteadman.com/ This, this, a thousand times this! As one who is still relearning my Greek, anything from Steadman is an excellent place to start. I'm working through one of his books myself, and his notes are great at explaining many of the odd forms you will encounter...
by Cursus
Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Perfect Imperative
Replies: 9
Views: 4828

Re: Perfect Imperative

Paul and Markos, thank you for that info and particularly for the examples of this creature in the wild. At least I know that it's not something to worry about seeing very often. I appreciate the help!
by Cursus
Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Perfect Imperative
Replies: 9
Views: 4828

Re: Perfect Imperative

So I see that it means, "be still," but why is the perfect imperative used here rather than a present or aorist? The perfect refers to a past action with an ongoing effect in the present, so it seems like a present imperative would have the desired effect: "be still [and continue being that way]!" B...
by Cursus
Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Perfect Imperative
Replies: 9
Views: 4828

Perfect Imperative

I'm aware of the present and aorist imperatives and their differences, but when would the perfect imperative be used, and how should it be translated? My books show it as a form, but I'm not finding any information on it. And out of curiosity, how commonly is one likely to encounter it?
by Cursus
Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symposium 174.a.3
Replies: 2
Views: 1732

Re: Symposium 174.a.3

Your edit addressed what I was trying to get at. With Socrates as my expected subject, I couldn't understand why my translations all had Aristodemus as the subject instead. But given the reflexive meaning of the pronoun, I now see why. Thank you!
by Cursus
Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Symposium 174.a.3
Replies: 2
Views: 1732

Symposium 174.a.3

I'm picking my way back through the Symposium, and this line from fairly early in (Apollodorus is JUST beginning to tell the story of the banquet to his companions) is confusing me a bit: "Ἔφη γάρ οἰ Σωκράτη ἐντυχεῖν λελυμένον τε καὶ τὰς βλαύτας ὑποδεδεμένον...." My understanding of the grammar is t...
by Cursus
Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Just how big is the 3rd declension?
Replies: 15
Views: 8249

Re: Just how big is the 3rd declension?

χαῖρε, Σαῦλε, and thank you for the suggestion to memorize τίς, τίνος instead. (That paradigm was on my list to be memorized anyway.) But your idea - coupled with Qimmik's bite-sized description of the linguistic changes that resulted in most of the declension's oddities - will be a great shortcut i...
by Cursus
Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Just how big is the 3rd declension?
Replies: 15
Views: 8249

Re: Just how big is the 3rd declension?

Thank you for the responses. Greek is tough enough without having to delve into Proto-Indo-European linguistics and the like; it's enough for me to know that the τριήρης, τριήρους forms result from an invisible σ dropping out. Third declension endings actually strike me as pretty regular - it's all ...
by Cursus
Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Just how big is the 3rd declension?
Replies: 15
Views: 8249

Just how big is the 3rd declension?

I'm relearning all the Greek we were death-marched through in college because I still can't read it in any meaningful sense. Now I'm taking a slower and much more methodical approach, including really getting my paradigms down solid and understanding what sound shifts/contractions/etc. explain why a...
by Cursus
Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Non-Classical Latin
Replies: 4
Views: 2597

Re: Non-Classical Latin

These lists are quite helpful; browsing through some of the links you posted, there were many passages I could already understand. It sounds as though Medieval and Ecclesiastical Latin should be fairly easy to pick up once my Classical Latin is on more or less solid ground. I appreciate your recomme...
by Cursus
Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:55 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Non-Classical Latin
Replies: 4
Views: 2597

Non-Classical Latin

I'm currently wrapping up Wheelock and will soon begin tackling actual Latin. There's a plethora of classical authors to read, but I know very little about later varieties of Latin. It sounds like Medieval Latin eventually started diverging in significant ways from Classical Latin, but how different...
by Cursus
Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question about κτῆσιν in Plato's Symposium
Replies: 2
Views: 1811

Re: Question about κτῆσιν in Plato's Symposium

I was afraid it was a noun, but it seemed like a verb was required in there somewhere. Apparently I need to brush up on my declensions (among everything else). Thanks much for the response!
by Cursus
Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question about κτῆσιν in Plato's Symposium
Replies: 2
Views: 1811

Question about κτῆσιν in Plato's Symposium

It's my first time working my way through some Plato, and I've come across a word I can't quite figure out. It's in the Symposium, 180B 6-8: "οὕτω δὴ ἔγωγέ φημι ἔρωτα θεῶν καὶ πρεσβύτατον καὶ τιμιώτατον καὶ κυριώτατον εἶναι εἰς ἀρετῆς καὶ εὐδαιμονίας κτῆσιν ἀνθρώποις καὶ ζῶσι καὶ τελευτήσασιν." I've...
by Cursus
Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Members Introduction Thread (New Users Post Here!)
Replies: 625
Views: 234616

Re: New Members Introduction Thread (New Users Post Here!)

χαίρετε/salvete!

I had a couple years of Ancient Greek in college (not enough, unfortunately) and am now halfway through the two-year Latin sequence as well. I look forward to pestering the community with all kinds of questions. :)

-Cursus