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by GJCaesar
Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 1357

Re: Seneca EM 7.5

Thank you both for the explanation and clear examples. I now understand why the indicative mode is preferred in this context.
by GJCaesar
Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Seneca EM 7.5
Replies: 7
Views: 1357

Seneca EM 7.5

Good morning, I have a question regarding a line in Seneca's EM 7.5. The line is as follows in all editions I could find: "Age, ne hoc quidem intellegitis, mala exempla in eos redundare qui faciunt? I was wondering whether anyone can tell me why faciunt should not be a subjunctive. I remember the ru...
by GJCaesar
Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: accents in Sappho 44.12-13
Replies: 14
Views: 3953

Re: accents in Sappho 44.12-13

"Diacrirical mark" or just "diacritical" would be better than "accent" to refer to a breathing mark. "Accent" is refers exclusively to the tone accents, acute, circumflex and grave. But your question was a good one. If you're reading Sappho, you should definitely try to understand the meters. The A...
by GJCaesar
Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: accents in Sappho 44.12-13
Replies: 14
Views: 3953

Re: accents in Sappho 44.12-13

Thank you all for the vivid discussion about my question! Your comments have kind of solved my problem. @Hylander I know it's about breathing, but I used the term 'accent' in its widest meaning. I'm afraid that my knowledge about metre in general falls short to be able to discuss it here with you. I...
by GJCaesar
Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: accents in Sappho 44.12-13
Replies: 14
Views: 3953

accents in Sappho 44.12-13

Dear all, I am currently part of a reading club. A few days ago, we read Sappho 44 and I stumbled upon a problem regarding accents. The lines in question run as follows: φάμα δ' ἦλθε κατὰ πτόλιν εὐ ρύχορον φίλοις. αὔτικ' Ἰλίαδαι σατίναι[ς] ὐπ' ἐυ τρόχοις ἆγον αἰμιόνοις, ...... My question is about t...
by GJCaesar
Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:42 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: morphology: passive of consonant stem and capio-group
Replies: 4
Views: 1708

Re: morphology: passive of consonant stem and capio-group

@mwh & calvinist: thanks for you thoughts! I'm glad I was on the right track after all!

@Qimmik: thanks for the added thoughts and examples. I knew that vocalism changes in compound words, but your examples were well chosen.
by GJCaesar
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: morphology: passive of consonant stem and capio-group
Replies: 4
Views: 1708

morphology: passive of consonant stem and capio-group

Dear all, I have stumbled upon something that has forced me to ask others about a possible answer. I have studied Latin at university for five years, but I still can't come up with an answer to this question. It might be my lack of knowledge in Latin morphology.... The passive of mittere is as follo...
by GJCaesar
Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: rettuli vs. retuli
Replies: 3
Views: 1817

rettuli vs. retuli

Hello, Does anyone have an idea where the first of these two forms, rettuli, comes from? I think rettuli is quite strange, and the extra t between the prepositional re- and the perfect stem tuli- is a bit weird. The fact is that a dictionary actually says that rettuli is the normal form, and can als...
by GJCaesar
Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: αποθνησκουσι και οι φιλοσοφοι, νεοι δε τασ ψυχας αει
Replies: 8
Views: 2732

Re: αποθνησκουσι και οι φιλοσοφοι, νεοι δε τασ ψυχας αει

The second half is from a famous quote (ie., I remembered it from Crosby and looked it up): Ὦ Σόλων, Σόλων, Ἕλληνες ἀεὶ παῖδές ἐστε, γέρων δὲ Ἕλλην οὐκ ἔστιν. νέοι γάρ ἐστε τὰς ψυχὰς πάντες. EDIT: Michael, why wouldn't the sentence be translated like this? (I'm a bit confused by the accusative τὰς ...
by GJCaesar
Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:47 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Medieval/Renaissance Latin grammar and syntax
Replies: 2
Views: 1847

Re: Medieval/Renaissance Latin grammar and syntax

Shenoute wrote:A Companion to the Latin language seems to have a nice section on Neo-Latin but only part of it is available online.
Thanks for that reference! I just found out I can access the complete online version from my laptop as long as I'm logged in on the university network. It's a good section btw!
by GJCaesar
Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Medieval/Renaissance Latin grammar and syntax
Replies: 2
Views: 1847

Medieval/Renaissance Latin grammar and syntax

Dear all, I am writing about Renaissance Latin (1420-1500 CE approx.) and I am having trouble with finding books that elaborate specifically on the grammar and syntax rules in this Latin. I have found soms books that talk about it, but quite briefly and most are used as an introduction to other item...
by GJCaesar
Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Byzantine Greek Reading List
Replies: 16
Views: 6208

Re: Byzantine Greek Reading List

The 48-book Dionysiaca of Nonnus of Panopolis should keep you busy for at least a couple of days! On what basis would you call this Byzantine? The date (circa 500) seems a little early and the style is neo-Epic. Early Byzantine, yes, you're right. It's a borderline case, I admit, but if I'm not mis...
by GJCaesar
Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Byzantine Greek Reading List
Replies: 16
Views: 6208

Re: Byzantine Greek Reading List

The 48-book Dionysiaca of Nonnus of Panopolis should keep you busy for at least a couple of days! On what basis would you call this Byzantine? The date (circa 500) seems a little early and the style is neo-Epic. Early Byzantine, yes, you're right. It's a borderline case, I admit, but if I'm not mis...
by GJCaesar
Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Byzantine Greek Reading List
Replies: 16
Views: 6208

Re: Byzantine Greek Reading List

The commentary is from Gigli-Piccardi. I can read Italian, so I'm using it as primary commentary next to the Budé, because my French is not that good. I think the translation is okay. I don't really use it that much, except for a quick glance to look up a word. Nonnus is difficult to translate. I ac...
by GJCaesar
Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Byzantine Greek Reading List
Replies: 16
Views: 6208

Re: Byzantine Greek Reading List

The 48-book Dionysiaca of Nonnus of Panopolis should keep you busy for at least a couple of days!

I'm actually reading the first book as we speak. It's a shame that there isn't a good English commentary available.
by GJCaesar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty
Replies: 15
Views: 9601

Re: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty

Finglass I would rank Finglass as level 5. If you can read Finglass you don't need him. Valuable for scholars but beyond the reading level of casual dabblers in classical texts. I agree that he is very extensive in his commentary, but one can hardly, despite Finglass' age, overestimate his contribu...
by GJCaesar
Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty
Replies: 15
Views: 9601

Re: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty

It's all a matter of which genre you're most familiar with, that plays a hugh role as well. And I agree with Qimmik, Pindar is CRAZY difficult. Honestly, that stuff is practically impossible to read for average readers without a very good commentary and a good knowledge of dialects. The fact that Fi...
by GJCaesar
Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: segnius : comparative adverb
Replies: 2
Views: 1521

Re: segnius : comparative adverb

In this sentence from Orberg LLPSI Cap XLIII: Ab legatis Albanis segnius res acta est it seems that segnius can only be a comparative adverb With the Albani legation the thing moved more slowly . However I can't see any reference to an advert segnius. L&S gives segniter (adv.) which would seem to b...
by GJCaesar
Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: studying Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 3124

Re: studying Greek

What is the best way to study Greek? You have to remember so many ending, infixes and so on. I can read about something, eg how the verbs work, but remembering it and applying it to the translation exercises is more difficut. Do you have any wisdom to give me? Make cards, English/mother language on...
by GJCaesar
Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:19 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Odyssey, Book 14
Replies: 10
Views: 6070

Re: Odyssey, Book 14

16. No, I don't think Ruijgh would have problems with this case. It still has the permanent-digressive value, meaning that the relative case is a digression of the main sentence, but the content of the relative clause is permanent: he was, is, and will always be hated by all the gods.
by GJCaesar
Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:04 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Bina tantum spolia opima...
Replies: 4
Views: 2346

Re: Bina tantum spolia opima...

"... so rare was the fortune [of seizing this honor]." I might add that the way that phrase is formed ( eius decoris adipiscendi ) is idiomatic to Latin, since it effectively means "of this-honour-seizing", with the object of the gerund "seizing" attracted into the case of the gerund itself (which ...
by GJCaesar
Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:03 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What use of the dative is this?
Replies: 2
Views: 1426

Re: What use of the dative is this?

At the end of Book 2 of Ovid's 'calendar' poem, Fasti, the poet has reached February 28. He writes these lines: Vênimus in portum, libro cum mense peracto. Naviget hinc aliâ jam mihi linter aquâ. 'We've come to port, the book (of the current poem) ending with the month. From here may my little boat...
by GJCaesar
Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: damno, the offense and the offender
Replies: 9
Views: 2935

Re: damno, the offense and the offender

This is indeed an example of explicit embedded focalization. I'm not wholly familiar with the terminology, but is this really "explicit" focalization? Cephalus never uses a verb of thinking or deciding for Procris' thoughts--he simply presents them in the third person. De Jong 2014, 50: ''It is one...
by GJCaesar
Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:02 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: damno, the offense and the offender
Replies: 9
Views: 2935

Re: damno, the offense and the offender

indicioque fidem negat et, nisi viderit ipsa, damnatura sui non est delicta mariti. indicioque fidem negat -- she refuses to give credence to the evidence viderit is future perfect damnatura est is more or less equivalent to future damnabit delicta is accusative plural; plural for singular is commo...
by GJCaesar
Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Wow, I started this thread and barely have had the time to post something useful or anything of the kind! My life has lately been busier than I expected it to be. I am a dedicated runner, and my training took some more time than normal. But I have been busy with Demosthenes as well, and have come up...
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

The university library only has Hansen, so I guess I'll just start with that. Right now, I'm working on my little research on oun and toinun. My tutor and I discussed it and agreed this would be a good thing to look into. I have Denniston, Sicking & Ophuijsen, and Wakker/Bakker as a theoretical fram...
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

First of all: apologies for my absence lately. I had lots of undemosthenes stuff to do, so I haven't read an awful lot of Greek lately. As for the current discussion, I must confess that I barely know anything about the subject. I read a bit about textual tradition with the excellent book "scribes a...
by GJCaesar
Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

You have to be careful about this. Not everything in the Demosthenic corpus was written by Demosthenes (and almost nothing in the Lysianic corpus can be securely attributed to Lysias, if you believe Dover). So unless you separate out the Demosthenic speeches that are recognized as genuine, it's not...
by GJCaesar
Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

I ran a quick search on TLG as well: Demosthenes, entire corpus: toinun = 945 oun = 810 eita = 133 epeita = 107 Ratio toinun-oun: 1,166:1 Ratio eita-epeita: 1,24:1 Lysias, entire corpus: toinun = 152 oun = 271 eita = 16 epeita = 36 Ratio toinun-oun: 0,56:1 Ratio eita-epeita: 0,44:1 -----------------...
by GJCaesar
Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Connective particles very definitely worth examining, I'd say, or at least paying close attention to as you read — as you clearly are doing. You'll know Denniston Greek Particles. I've just run a quick TLG search for stats. In this speech: toinun 64x, vs. oun 47x eita 25x, vs. epeita 2x ! (eita:epe...
by GJCaesar
Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Qimmik wrote:He really likes toinun and eita, doesn't he?
My thoughts exactly. Not to mention men and de.. :shock:
by GJCaesar
Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Griechische Grammatik und multiple negatives
Replies: 21
Views: 8128

Re: Griechische Grammatik und multiple negatives

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that all negatives except ou, ouk, and mè are compound, since they exist of more than just the negation? Logically and grammatically speaking..
by GJCaesar
Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: subiere
Replies: 3
Views: 1536

Re: subiere

Oh man, I think the dominant gerundive is one of the most awesome grammatical constructions! Goosebumps everytime I see one.
by GJCaesar
Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

It would have been too fussy to add με when the meaning is so clear, and much less graphic to use passives. Passives and pedantry are for wimps. Note διδοναι present, by the way. You're right, and I overlooked the present tense. I found another instance where 'me' (on iPad , so no Greek font atm) i...
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Par. 103 καίτοι πόσα χρήματα τοὺς ἡγεμόνας τῶν συμμοριῶν ἢ τοὺς δευτέρους καὶ τρίτους οἴεσθέ μοι διδόναι, ὥστε μάλιστα μὲν μὴ θεῖναι τὸν νόμον τοῦτον, εἰ δὲ μή, καταβάλλοντ᾽ ἐᾶν ἐν ὑπωμοσίᾳ; ''Now how much money do you think the first, second, and third classes of contributors on the Naval Boards of...
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

I'm glad to see that there are others interested in this speech as well! I had a weekend break from the Greek, and will continue reading in half an hour. His style is absurd -- perfect Greek, and I already know my little research on word order will be a succesful one. It's almost like the epitetha o...
by GJCaesar
Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

Hey there Qimmik,

I have reached paragraph 92 yesterday, and will get to a 100 tomorrow (I have some other stuff to do this weekend, including work).

I will post a more elaborate comment tomorrow morning. I noticed the aposiopesis!

Be well,
GJC
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)
Replies: 7
Views: 3395

Re: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)

And if I might give you a suggestion: Dialogues of the Gods (Lucian) and Plato's Apology are great prose texts to start with. And Lucian can give you quite a laugh at times, so it's always fun to read. The great thing is that you find stories that are originally from Homer (like the dialogue between...
by GJCaesar
Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)
Replies: 7
Views: 3395

Re: Rate these books by level of difficulty :)

Hi there, Plato's Crito is not too difficult and in my country, 16 year old students in high school are supposed to be able to read it for exams. It's ''down to earth prose'', except for maybe a few longer and more incomprehensible sentences. The bright side on these: most commentaries deal with the...
by GJCaesar
Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks
Replies: 59
Views: 31032

Re: Demosthenes' De Corona in 10 weeks

One more on-line resource for this project: an 1889 edition of Aeschines' speech against Ctesiphon, which is the speech to which Demosthenes' speech On the Crown is responding: https://archive.org/stream/aeschinesagains00richgoog#page/n6/mode/2up Thanks for the url! So, are there any more people in...