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by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 6
Views: 154

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

I wrote: + "both the sun and the soul were god" I think I disagree with both you and Barry here. I think eundemque et solem et animum deum dicere means "and he said the sun and the soul are the same god". (I guess the answer to this would be in Xenophon's Memorabilia , which maybe someone less lazy ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 6
Views: 154

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Hi Hugh. I look forward to your forthcoming essay comparing Cicero and Augustine :D . Your translation: Xenophon also made almost the same mistakes, albeit in fewer words; Socrates, as described by Xenophon, declared that Socratic method was unfitted for inquiry into the nature [formam] of the gods,...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 249

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

For the record, it should have occurred to me before to also check the translation of the new (2016) Loeb edition of the Presocratic fragments by André Laks and Glenn Most. Here it is: And sickness occurs, with regard to the agent, from excess of heat or cold; with regard to the [scil. material] ori...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 249

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

The terminology is not aristotelian and they are not categories of course but causes. You're right, and thanks for making me realize I was a bit sloppy in using the term "categories", which of course has a special meaning (and its own Wikipedia article!) when talking about Aristotle. And the termin...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 249

A Passage from Alcmaeon

In the history of ancient medicine, there is a well-known doxographic fragment from Alcmaeon of Croton (DK [Alcmaeon] B4) on health and disease. Below is the complete fragment, and I would be interested in any comments on the underlined sentence. Ἀ. [sc. Alcmaeon says] τῆς μὲν ὑγείας εἶναι συνεκτικὴ...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

That seals the deal for me. Thanks! Bart asked, Are εἰ and ἢν equivalent here, or is there a distinction suggesting a difference in likelihood of one of them happening in the eye of the servants? Bart, thanks for the post. Based on the discussion, unless I'm missing something, it seems the answer to...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

he was fond of introducing his apodoseis with δέ Yes, that's called an apodοtic δέ (Smyth 2837). I see it a lot in the medical treatises of the Hippocratic Corpus (Ionic and for the most part roughly contemporary with Herodotus). From what I've read, he occasionally omits ἄν I believe you, but do y...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Paul, just to beat the last living daylight out of this horse, could you affirm what I think is the case, that the new Wilson OCT goes with A (μεταμελήσῃ, ἐπιζητῇ)? If so, I still don't understand the absence of ἄν/ἤν. With all due respect to Herodotus, is it possible that he was a little rusty on h...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Abicht's edition uses μεταμελήσεται and ἐπιζητήσει Thank you, Aetos. Though thanks to your citation I see that Abicht's text is μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσεται. So that clears up one point: When Abicht says indicative future, he's talking about μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσῃ. Seneca is clearly correct ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Thanks, Aetos, for anticipating a request I was going to make, i.e., for someone with a critical edition to check the apparatus. Do I understand the following correctly?: Abicht reads εἰ μὲν μεταμελήσῃ τῷ Καμβύσῃ καὶ ἐπιζητέῃ τὸν Κροῖσον and takes μεταμελήσῃ to be an indicative future? Does he take ...
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 30, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 789

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Here μεταμελήσῃ is aorist subjunctive
Abicht seems to think it is an (Ionic) future indicative.
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 24, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: English Writing Skills
Replies: 4
Views: 304

Re: English Writing Skills

You might try "Strunk & White", a classic work on writing American English.
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 23, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Arabic translations of Aristotle
Replies: 1
Views: 160

Re: Arabic translations of Aristotle

So could it be inferred based on this that the late 9 c. Greek was much closer to classical Greek [than] is usually supposed? Constantinus - I would guess no, but that's purely a guess, and not an educated one. If you can read the Arabic, maybe you can teach me/us something (what is your nationalit...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 20, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 461

Re: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

The intermediate Greek readers from Nimis and Hayes, for example, these works from the Hippocratic Corpus.
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 16, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 816

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

To complement Herodotus, read chapters 12-24 of Airs, Waters, Places in the Hippocratic Corpus for a "scientific" explanation of the difference between Europe and the races of Asia (including Thrace, Egypt, and Libya).
by RandyGibbons
Thu May 16, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 7
Views: 648

Re: After Mastronarde

On Pythagoras and the Presocratics, a good standard college textbook is Kirk-Raven-Schofield, often cited as "KRS". It has the Greek text and English translation of many of the fragments (there are only fragments) along with discussion.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 15, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 816

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

Hi Lukas.

I don't know that I would venture an answer to your question. But I would suggest Kitto's The Greeks.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 15, 2019 3:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: After Mastronarde
Replies: 7
Views: 648

Re: After Mastronarde

should I just dive in and start tackling a text in all it's Hellenic glory, and hustle through as best I can, ... is working through another text book just a good way to avoid the inevitable confrontation with the real thing? You seem pretty self-confident as well as realistic, so I agree with Dant...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: the happy sheep
Replies: 2
Views: 274

Re: the happy sheep

Baa baa.
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 08, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 709

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Did you find that Hale and Hoyos worked for you? Yes, to the extent I needed such mediation by the time I read Hale and Hoyos, which to be honest wasn't much. "By the time Origi scored the fourth — a brilliantly clever corner routine, orchestrated by Trent Alexander-Arnold — the goal that returns L...
by RandyGibbons
Tue May 07, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 709

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

I see what you mean, and I like your rhythm metaphors. (By the way, is your example of Thucydides hypothetical, or are you reading some Thucydides?) Anyway, you might want to take a look at something I wrote about the kinds of sentences you're talking about. If you're so inclined, scroll down to the...
by RandyGibbons
Mon May 06, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1208

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

I went through all of Mastronarde in two months, and by the end my neck and back hurt constantly.
Another option: Sue Mastronarde and then use the money to pay for a good physical therapist.
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 45
Views: 3920

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Congratulations! The gerund and the gerundive are quite common, and you'll get used to them quickly with more reading experience. The passive future constructed with the passive perfect participle and īrī is much less common, and the day you're reading Latin and encounter it and know what it is and ...
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides: "αἰδοῖα καὶ ἐς ἄκρας χεῖρας καὶ πόδας"
Replies: 3
Views: 332

Re: Thucydides: "αἰδοῖα καὶ ἐς ἄκρας χεῖρας καὶ πόδας"

No. All we know is what Thucydides said, which is that he also experienced the plague.
by RandyGibbons
Sun May 05, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1208

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

Well, exorcist, you've broached the dirty little secret none of us like to talk about: Greek is a pain in the neck. And I have to admit I resent the Greeks for making me feel like I was a barbarian living a useless life before becoming an Atticus. But, seriously, I too have had neck and back issues ...
by RandyGibbons
Sat May 04, 2019 6:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck
Replies: 16
Views: 1208

Re: Reading Greek without hurting back and neck

Here is my solution:

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by RandyGibbons
Thu May 02, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 709

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Hi Sean. I would feel bad if I left you believing I was being serious, when I was only pulling your leg :lol: . I'm afraid I was reacting to the notion of reading sentences by looking for their (in your wish, color-coded) parts of speech, which to me is not reading at all. But in any case, the only ...
by RandyGibbons
Wed May 01, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 709

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Hi seanjonesbw. Just as fyi, I seem to remember reading something like the following. I'll do my best to recall it from memory, and perhaps someone else will know the specifics. There was a school of Hellenistic philosophy, I believe a descendant of the Peripatetic school, that published a theoretic...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 22
Views: 2343

Re: Introduction to Latin poetry

Understood, of course. But for myself I believe a well-done oral presentation with examples (distributed as a video) would greatly complement if not almost substitute for the tedium of the gobs of written introductions that exist. Hearing versus reading information about. (Roberto/Bedwere - As Micha...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 22
Views: 2343

Re: Introduction to Latin poetry

Michael/mwh wrote Randy, Sorry, I have other fish to fry. Alright Hylander, that leaves you. Are you feeling the pressure?! Seriously, though, from my perspective, as one who would benefit greatly from it, I think this would be awesome for someone to do. Any ideas, anyone, about any other candidates?
by RandyGibbons
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Introduction to Latin poetry
Replies: 22
Views: 2343

Re: Introduction to Latin poetry

DESIDERATUM: Michael and Hylander, it would be awesome for one of you or someone with equivalently deep knowledge to create a Latin poetry instructional video illustrating all these (excellent) points.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 32
Views: 4325

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

If I could start over again, moving back some years in time, I'd do this from the beginning.

Amen. Again, I highly recommending getting Hoyos' complete pamphlet.
by RandyGibbons
Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 377

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

et illic discere ex ipso: This seemed clear. The only problem I had was the antecedent of ipso. After much thought, I concluded that the antecedent was a phrase in the sentence, which accounted for the neuter gender. Trying to figure this out for myself, before consulting a translation, I wasn't su...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii
Replies: 4
Views: 377

Re: Augustine, de civitas dei, book xi, ch.ii

et illic discere ex ipso, quod cunctam naturam, quae non est quod ipse, non fecit nisi ipse Hi Hugh. I'm not sure where you're stumbling, grammatically, on this. (Not that I was sure of the meaning until I checked my Dyson translation.) Could you go through the phrase word by word and pinpoint wher...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 45
Views: 3920

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Is it ac or āc?
I definitely do not know. It was probably āc when your baby was agitating. But here's a challenge I'll throw out there (without knowing the answer): Is there a hypothetical use and position of ac in poetry that would tell us whether its ă or ā?
by RandyGibbons
Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How far does Lingua Latina take you? (See inside)
Replies: 2
Views: 463

Re: How far does Lingua Latina take you? (See inside)

Lingua Latina, Pars I: Familia Romana followed by Lingua Latina, Pars II: Roma Aeterna are about exactly equivalent to four years of high school Latin. It's just, as you note, a very different approach to the same material (LL covers grammar just as much as any other textbook).
by RandyGibbons
Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 45
Views: 3920

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

I don't know what you mean by "the unpronounceable-looking nature of ac". But if I understand your question correctly, ac is not Ørberg's abbreviation of atque , they are alternative forms of the conjunction, both used widely. From the online Latin dictionary Glossa: atque or āc (atque is used befor...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη
Replies: 19
Views: 1457

Re: αὐτίκα v. ἤδη

Hi Lukas. As a follow up to your post: I happened to be reading the following sentence this morning: ἡ δὲ ἰητρικὴ νῦν τε καὶ αὐτίκα οὐ τὸ αὐτὸ ποιεῖ ... This is from a medical work called "On places in man" from a group of medical writings called the "Hippocratic Corpus". These are written in the Io...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thucydides with facing vocab and commentary?
Replies: 6
Views: 632

Re: Thucydides with facing vocab and commentary?

I don't know of one and kind of doubt you're going to find such, at least in English. But in addition to the Textkit thread you linked to, here's another one that has some very helpful information about resources (see especially the contributions of John W.).