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by RandyGibbons
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)
Replies: 1
Views: 30

Re: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)

Curious: What is the advantage of this over just subscribing to (for a reasonable annual feel) the online Loeb Classical Library and using its search capabilities?
by RandyGibbons
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Word order for nouns and adjectives
Replies: 1
Views: 135

Re: Word order for nouns and adjectives

Is there a rule governing whether an adjective precedes or follows the noun it is describing? No! That's one of the cool things about Latin. There are patterns which you'll come to intuit (or read or hear about) at a far later stage in your Latin experience, but for now I'd say relish and get famil...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin authors
Replies: 8
Views: 455

Re: Latin authors

don’t recommend the Loeb series
Hint: "Please" also helps.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: is vs ille
Replies: 7
Views: 437

Re: is vs ille

I think that's what I said.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: is vs ille
Replies: 7
Views: 437

Re: is vs ille

can is and ille only be used at certain times?
Yes and no. Read the dictionaries and grammars. Pronouns stand in for something, and part of the problem here is that there is no context for your exercise sentence ("Their territories seem broader than ours.").
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD
Replies: 4
Views: 332

Re: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD

When I was in college I played piano in the school jazz ensembles Cool! What college? (I wasn't a musician but was closely involved with the music scene at the University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana in the late 60's. Among other things, on my college radio station jazz program, I got to interview ...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A better way?
Replies: 6
Views: 466

Re: A better way?

I was referring to the exercises at the end of each Ørberg chapter.
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A better way?
Replies: 6
Views: 466

Re: A better way?

For all practical purposes, I've never done Latin composition outside of Adler and the exercises in Ørberg, so hopefully others can opine on one versus another Latin composition textbook. I myself would be interested in opinions on the best time to take on composition (before, during, or after a hea...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A better way?
Replies: 6
Views: 466

Re: A better way?

Even if you are not reading fluently, you want to proceed to reading real authors from antiquity as much as possible. Ditto to that and everything else Barry says. "Fluent" is relative. Fluency in any second language - feeling like you're fluent - only comes with reading lots of it, typically over ...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin synonyms
Replies: 3
Views: 283

Re: Latin synonyms

even though they may mean the same thing Or not. That's the richness of language and part of the value proposition in learning to read works in their original. What methodology do you propose for comparing two words ( in and contra in your example) that would be different from simply reading the re...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Dickinson College, Martial, 2019
Replies: 0
Views: 459

Dickinson College, Martial, 2019

Bedwere has done such a nice job reporting on the 2019 ΣΘΝΟΔΟΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ in Kentucky, I thought I would briefly do the same for the annual Dickinson College summer workshop (or "Latin camp" as my daughter finds amusement in calling it), in Carlisle, PA, which I attended for the second year in a row a...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD
Replies: 4
Views: 332

Re: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD

Welcome C.B. Who is your favorite contemporary jazz pianist? (Mine is the Bill Charlap trio.)

Randy Gibbons
by RandyGibbons
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Thanks, Aetos. I guess Perseus is making the careless mistake (algorithmically? - I don't know how the Word Tool engine works). Joel, you can open your eyes now!
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

And wouldn't 3sing. aor. opt. act. have acute on the penult?
Not according to the Perseus Greek Word Study Tool. Or am I making another careless mistake?
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Thanks Michael. I don't feel as bad about myself after taking the time to read the Greek text carefully, which I wouldn't have done if you hadn't supplied the entire text plus translation. I was perfectly happy believing the construction is μνείαν ποιεῖσθαι based on Philo's original citation from Pr...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace
Replies: 11
Views: 5389

Re: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace

Is my technique wrong? Yes. Sorry to be so blunt! "finding the nominative, then scanning forward to the end of the sentence to look for the verb, and then trying to decipher the other parts, ...": I have nothing against Wheelock, but that way of "reading" Latin (which is not reading at all, but - a...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Don't be sorry! Duh.
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Michael indicates that it has to do with how the active and middle of ποιέω get used in general It's only 9:00 am west coast time, and Michael is probably still sleeping off a long night of fireworks and excitement about the president's speech, so I'll sneak in one more comment before he awakes to ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Sorry, Joel, but I have no idea what you just said.

Michael, I still look forward (genuinely, nor snarkily) to your comment on π̣ερὶ ἡμ̣ῶ̣ν μνείαν ποίησαι, not only because you are slightly competent in ancient Greek in general but because you know a thing or two about papyrological Greek.
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

π̣ερὶ ἡμ̣ῶ̣ν μνείαν ποίησαι
Michael?
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way.
If you know that, Barry, because, like Michael, you have some "slight competence" in ancient Greek, I'll accept that :D . Though I would substitute "experience" for "competence".
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Morwood, Oxford Grammar
Replies: 4
Views: 436

Re: Morwood, Oxford Grammar

Sorry, Hugh, I missed what your question is here. Is that your translation, and you're asking commentary on it?

Randy
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

but no one who knew the language would say it that way
How on earth would you know that?
by RandyGibbons
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 2853

Re: Plat., Protag, 317e

Why is the middle form ἐποιοῦ used here? Because ... it was? And if, skeptical for some reason about Plato's knowledge of contemporary Greek, I check out LSJ, I immediately find περί τινος μνείαν ποιεῖσθαι in Andocides and μ. τινῶν ποιεῖσθαι ἐπὶ τῶν προσευχῶν in the Epistle to the Romans, which tel...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:27 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Compounds of cado and caedo
Replies: 3
Views: 306

Re: Compounds of cado and caedo

Hi Robin. I can't answer your specific questions, but as fyi here are two sources for Latin homonyms and homographs: this list from Dickinson College, and this inexpensive book . The definition of homonym in the latter is broad and from memory I'm certain it includes homographs. I own it but am out ...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crit 44d
Replies: 7
Views: 555

Re: Crit 44d

the Greek seems very clear As it does to me. Constantinus, what about it is unclear to you? Yes, if I happen to know that μέλειν sometimes has a personal subject, sometimes not (i.e., can be personal or impersonal), does that mean that every time I am reading Greek and I happen to see μέλειν in a s...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hellenistic Astrology
Replies: 2
Views: 294

Re: Hellenistic Astrology

the astrologers and astronomers of the hellenistic world Let me echo Bedwere's welcome to Textkit. You've got an interesting reason for wanting to learn ancient Greek. Just one fyi, which you may or may not already know: When you say "hellenistic", are you referring to the Hellenistic Era, strictly...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1084

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Having established clarity, I hate to see the waters muddied again, but ... You have to distinguish between the dative with and without a preposition. In the passage in question, it is with a preposition, isdem in erratis , with the preposition omitted in the relative clause precisely as per the Gre...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1084

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

quae sunt isdem in erratis fere quibus ea, quae de Platone dicimus . To be honest, I'm not seeing where the breakdown occurs, but perhaps you're not seeing the sequence of three relative clauses? Barry is a teacher, and perhaps he can be of more help, but let me try. A relative clause is a subordin...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this called reading Caesar?
Replies: 35
Views: 6285

Re: Is this called reading Caesar?

Thank you danbek and HumilisAuditor for calling my attention to Waldo Sweet's Latin: A Structural Approach . I was curious enough to get my hands on a used copy (2nd ed., 1966; unfortunately, while the book is apparently still in print, it is prohibitively expensive). It is, as you aptly pointed out...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1084

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

I wrote: + "both the sun and the soul were god" I think I disagree with both you and Barry here. I think eundemque et solem et animum deum dicere means "and he said the sun and the soul are the same god". (I guess the answer to this would be in Xenophon's Memorabilia , which maybe someone less lazy ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31
Replies: 17
Views: 1084

Re: Cic. de natura deorum, book i, ch. 31

Hi Hugh. I look forward to your forthcoming essay comparing Cicero and Augustine :D . Your translation: Xenophon also made almost the same mistakes, albeit in fewer words; Socrates, as described by Xenophon, declared that Socratic method was unfitted for inquiry into the nature [formam] of the gods,...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 470

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

For the record, it should have occurred to me before to also check the translation of the new (2016) Loeb edition of the Presocratic fragments by André Laks and Glenn Most. Here it is: And sickness occurs, with regard to the agent, from excess of heat or cold; with regard to the [scil. material] ori...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 470

Re: A Passage from Alcmaeon

The terminology is not aristotelian and they are not categories of course but causes. You're right, and thanks for making me realize I was a bit sloppy in using the term "categories", which of course has a special meaning (and its own Wikipedia article!) when talking about Aristotle. And the termin...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Passage from Alcmaeon
Replies: 4
Views: 470

A Passage from Alcmaeon

In the history of ancient medicine, there is a well-known doxographic fragment from Alcmaeon of Croton (DK [Alcmaeon] B4) on health and disease. Below is the complete fragment, and I would be interested in any comments on the underlined sentence. Ἀ. [sc. Alcmaeon says] τῆς μὲν ὑγείας εἶναι συνεκτικὴ...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1620

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

That seals the deal for me. Thanks! Bart asked, Are εἰ and ἢν equivalent here, or is there a distinction suggesting a difference in likelihood of one of them happening in the eye of the servants? Bart, thanks for the post. Based on the discussion, unless I'm missing something, it seems the answer to...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1620

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

he was fond of introducing his apodoseis with δέ Yes, that's called an apodοtic δέ (Smyth 2837). I see it a lot in the medical treatises of the Hippocratic Corpus (Ionic and for the most part roughly contemporary with Herodotus). From what I've read, he occasionally omits ἄν I believe you, but do y...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1620

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Paul, just to beat the last living daylight out of this horse, could you affirm what I think is the case, that the new Wilson OCT goes with A (μεταμελήσῃ, ἐπιζητῇ)? If so, I still don't understand the absence of ἄν/ἤν. With all due respect to Herodotus, is it possible that he was a little rusty on h...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1620

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Abicht's edition uses μεταμελήσεται and ἐπιζητήσει Thank you, Aetos. Though thanks to your citation I see that Abicht's text is μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσεται. So that clears up one point: When Abicht says indicative future, he's talking about μεταμελήσει, not μεταμελήσῃ. Seneca is clearly correct ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herdotus, III, 36,5
Replies: 25
Views: 1620

Re: Herdotus, III, 36,5

Thanks, Aetos, for anticipating a request I was going to make, i.e., for someone with a critical edition to check the apparatus. Do I understand the following correctly?: Abicht reads εἰ μὲν μεταμελήσῃ τῷ Καμβύσῃ καὶ ἐπιζητέῃ τὸν Κροῖσον and takes μεταμελήσῃ to be an indicative future? Does he take ...