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by RandyGibbons
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: A dialogue with hic, haec, hoc and ille, illa, illud
Replies: 4
Views: 96

Re: A dialogue with hic, haec, hoc and ille, illa, illud

And if by vocare you are implying call by phone, bedwere is a master of neo-Latin and can probably tell you how to say that in (neo) Latin.
by RandyGibbons
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Weird Accents in Blackie's Greek Primer
Replies: 6
Views: 305

Re: Weird Accents in Blackie's Greek Primer

PS In actuality -η and ἐ- would have been merged, so κεφαλήστιν would be a more accurate representation.
Michael, do you mean merged in speech, or in writing (which I don't think I ever see in modern editions), or both?
by RandyGibbons
Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:44 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Propertius 1.1
Replies: 6
Views: 363

Re: Propertius 1.1

If you want to do some deep research into the subject, try Radcliffe Edmonds' just published Drawing Down the Moon: Magic in the Ancient Greco-Roman World.
by RandyGibbons
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 731

Re: Future of σπένδω?

Thanks, Bill (Hylander), for answering my questions in your typically well thought out and modest manner. And Michael (mwh) too and everyone else. Inter alia, thanks (Bill) for your take on Sihler, which sits collecting dust on my bookshelf, never opened. (What did you do for a living, since you say...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 731

Re: Future of σπένδω?

I certainly see your point about "euphony"; I'm sure that ongoing diachronic sound changes are not operative (i.e., consciously) in our minds as we speak. And you could also object that the "eu" implies a teleological explanation of sound change that would intuitively strike me at least as dubious. ...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 731

Re: Future of σπένδω?

Hylander - The clarity of your explanation, as always, is downright - dare I say it - euphonic! For my edification (if not for Lucas's just yet), is there a post-Smyth source on the evolution of the ancient Greek language, from a linguistic perspective, you might recommend? Seneca - For the record, ...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Future of σπένδω?
Replies: 26
Views: 731

Re: Future of σπένδω?

Hi Lukas. You asked, Does anyone know why the nu drops out with the future of σπένδω? Here's the problem, I think: The premise of your question is incorrect. The ν does not drop out, the combination νδ does, for reasons of euphony . See the Smyth grammar §100 (Seneca cites this as §79 of Goodwin's G...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dream comprehensible input engine
Replies: 3
Views: 284

Re: Dream comprehensible input engine

Callisper, your idea smells just. In its opinion, if he drinks wine by the dark sea, will Achilles compose darts? Oh may Apollo such a rhombus draw!
by RandyGibbons
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

I find it fascinating that people are bringing up precisely the same sort of hermeneutical issues with regard to Homer as are often brought up with biblical interpretation. In fact, immediately following the passage I quoted, Helen recounts her experience with the Bible: I began to read the bible l...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)
Replies: 4
Views: 414

Re: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)

Not that I'm trying to discourage what you're doing, but for the record I haven't experienced any limitation in the online LCL's search capability (you can search within a work or across the entire library). If you don't have access to the online LCL, and you happen to have a representative search k...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Active v. Middle Voice
Replies: 17
Views: 527

Re: Active v. Middle Voice

No worries! Remember also that the goal is to be able to read Greek. English-to-Greek translation exercises are intended to help you with that, but they are not the goal, and you shouldn't get overly exercised, so to speak, about them. You're getting to the point where you can read Greek sentences t...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Active v. Middle Voice
Replies: 17
Views: 527

Re: Active v. Middle Voice

Lukas, think Luke 4:23: Ἰατρέ, θεράπευσον σεαυτόν. Physician, heal thyself. θεράπευσον is (aorist) active voice. I remember wrestling mightily with the middle voice when I was learning Greek (a long time ago), because we simply don't have such a thing in English. Right now you're struggling for a tr...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to read a grammar like CGCG?
Replies: 3
Views: 289

Re: How to read a grammar like CGCG?

I need a bit of structuralism Then certainly do what you already did with the η/α endings of feminine nouns: continue with Athenaze but consult the grammar book when you'd like a more thorough presentation of the grammatical point. One point. As you know, when we talk about "grammar", there's a big...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to read a grammar like CGCG?
Replies: 3
Views: 289

Re: How to read a grammar like CGCG?

How does one read a grammar textbook? Don't! At least that's one answer - you'll get many, I'm sure. In my opinion at least, at two or three months into Athenaze , "reading" a grammar (you said "grammar textbook", but you obviously realize that Smyth, CGCG, etc. are not textbooks but works of refer...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

acres of criticism of Senecan Tragedy which endlessly and erroneously bewails its inferiority to Greek tragedy
You have clarified one thing for me that I've always wondered about: Why you chose the name Seneca2008!

Randy
by RandyGibbons
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

Thanks, Aetos.

This may be going out on a limb, but as someone who has had to spend many of your waking hours in a high state of visual and aural alertness (as a pilot), would it be fair or correct to say you may be particularly sympathetic to what the deprivation of these senses must be like?

R
by RandyGibbons
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

Regarding the specific beef Seneca has, I read her the way you do, Callisper, but let's also see this (no pun intended) in perspective. Setting aside her handicaps for the moment, she's writing this in her third year of college. She is no more excited about professional philology than I was as a jun...
by RandyGibbons
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

I feel sorry for picking on the poor blind girl now.
Blind and deaf. Take a little time to think about that.
by RandyGibbons
Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

Re: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

Aetos wrote,
RandyGibbons wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:54 am
Great poetry, whether written in Greek or in English, needs no other interpreter than a responsive heart.
Thanks, Aetos. One minor but important correction: Helen Keller wrote, not Randy Gibbons!
by RandyGibbons
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader
Replies: 45
Views: 1762

The Blind Poet and the Blind Reader

My bedtime reading this past week has been Helen Keller's "The Story of My Life". This is described as being her autobiography, though that's a little misleading, since she wrote this when she was 23 (1903), and it is strictly about her youth up to her first two years at Radcliffe College. Near the ...
by RandyGibbons
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: pacem relinquo or pace relinquo
Replies: 8
Views: 427

Re: pacem relinquo or pace relinquo

Welcome to the third declension, Fausta. I'm glad to see you're having fun with the Latin.

Do you feel by now you've achieved assuefaction to Textkit :D ?

Peace out,
by RandyGibbons
Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Spoken Ancient Greek was considerably slower than modern
Replies: 8
Views: 504

Re: Spoken Ancient Greek was considerably slower than modern

It seems to me that English is faster than Italian, but it may be my impression. Interesting, Roberto (bedwere). I experience it the other way around, which may just be that when we are learning a second language we want the native speakers to slow it down a bit?! Though Joel's data seems to sugges...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Word order for nouns and adjectives
Replies: 6
Views: 554

Re: Word order for nouns and adjectives

Adj+Noun+Adj is generally far more common than Adj+Adj+Noun in proper classical Latin prose. And you know that how, Callisper? If there's a study you can cite, or a recommendation to that effect in a prose composition textbook, I'd be very interested (and there may well be - I'm not saying you're w...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: CLAIMED - Greek & Latin Introductory Textbooks
Replies: 1
Views: 262

CLAIMED - Greek & Latin Introductory Textbooks

9/5/19 Randy tells me that these have been claimed --Joel *** With Joel's permission, I am announcing here that in the interests of liberating some bookshelf space I am unloading my collection of Greek and Latin introductory textbooks - inventory below. I am giving these away, not selling them, on t...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:02 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Vacation reading
Replies: 71
Views: 3472

Re: Vacation reading

the formulas are certainly the hardest part to learn this way Hey Joel. Are you familiar with The Chicago Homer ? I totally get the way you're currently trying to read the Odyssey, and probably the app doesn't fit that approach. Anyway, though, I find it a tremendously useful app. You can turn the ...
by RandyGibbons
Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?
Replies: 10
Views: 734

Re: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?

Yeah, you're asking for an essentially quantitative answer that just isn't to be had. I doubt anybody has gone through, say, the Apology, to enumerate how many grammatical constructs it contains.
by RandyGibbons
Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?
Replies: 10
Views: 734

Re: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?

That's a hard, really impossible, question to answer, because it depends on so many thinks about you and about your circumstances. For myself, I would be patient and finish JACT first, uncork the champagne to celebrate the milestone achievement, then try your hand at Plato. But here is a compromise ...
by RandyGibbons
Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Latin Duolingo
Replies: 6
Views: 544

Re: Latin Duolingo

You'll generally never get two people to agree on someone else's pronunciation of Latin or Greek, but for classically restored pronunciation of Latin I particularly like Evan Millner. Also, try Textkit's own Bedwere (for Latin and Greek).
by RandyGibbons
Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric psychology
Replies: 18
Views: 1123

Re: Homeric psychology

Italians are hot-blooded. Since antiquity we've had a Herodotean curiosity about the physical and ethical differences among inhabitants of different geographies, among ethnicities and races, among people living in different social and political circumstances. Naturally the Greeks even went beyond cu...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis
Replies: 18
Views: 3117

Re: Wanted: Dedicated Proof Listener for Reading of Anabasis

Ditto, Cyropaedia is a great idea. You the man!
by RandyGibbons
Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:04 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric psychology
Replies: 18
Views: 1123

Re: Homeric psychology

Michael asks, Incidentally, does anyone hurt anyone’s feelings inadvertently? To answer that for Homer's world, I'll leave it to you viri doctissimi . But for modern sensitivities, listen to the Antonio Carlos Jobim/Vinicius de Moraes song Insensatez ( In this clip Marcello is the insensitive one!).
by RandyGibbons
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: After Machen
Replies: 11
Views: 1032

Re: After Machen

and/or papyrus letters Hi Michael. You also mentioned in another, recent thread a growing body of papyrological material that you said serves as a good introduction to, I think in that case it was early Hellenistic-era Greek. With apologies to the OP if I am straying beyond the bounds of his origin...
by RandyGibbons
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: need help on inflection
Replies: 5
Views: 355

Re: need help on inflection

Hi, Hugh. Let me ditto Michael's congrats on your progress in Greek. You did something I really like with your Latin, which is, you read substantial portions of Augustine's 'City' and Erasmus's 'Folly', and you read them for content and meaning, not just language-acquisition practice. Therefore I'm ...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)
Replies: 4
Views: 414

Re: Fully search the out-of-copyright volumes of the Loeb Classical Library (PDF or Text)

Curious: What is the advantage of this over just subscribing to (for a reasonable annual feel) the online Loeb Classical Library and using its search capabilities?
by RandyGibbons
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Word order for nouns and adjectives
Replies: 6
Views: 554

Re: Word order for nouns and adjectives

Is there a rule governing whether an adjective precedes or follows the noun it is describing? No! That's one of the cool things about Latin. There are patterns which you'll come to intuit (or read or hear about) at a far later stage in your Latin experience, but for now I'd say relish and get famil...
by RandyGibbons
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin authors
Replies: 8
Views: 824

Re: Latin authors

don’t recommend the Loeb series
Hint: "Please" also helps.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: is vs ille
Replies: 7
Views: 803

Re: is vs ille

I think that's what I said.
by RandyGibbons
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: is vs ille
Replies: 7
Views: 803

Re: is vs ille

can is and ille only be used at certain times?
Yes and no. Read the dictionaries and grammars. Pronouns stand in for something, and part of the problem here is that there is no context for your exercise sentence ("Their territories seem broader than ours.").
by RandyGibbons
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD
Replies: 4
Views: 558

Re: Neophyte C.B. Davis PHD

When I was in college I played piano in the school jazz ensembles Cool! What college? (I wasn't a musician but was closely involved with the music scene at the University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana in the late 60's. Among other things, on my college radio station jazz program, I got to interview ...
by RandyGibbons
Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A better way?
Replies: 6
Views: 761

Re: A better way?

I was referring to the exercises at the end of each Ørberg chapter.