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by Σαῦλος
Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 100
Views: 52925

Re: Greek reader reviews

by Σαῦλος
Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 21949

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

The need for comprehensible input is something that has often debated yet I am still unclear as to why people disagree or even if they disagree. If you have time please post your reasons along with your vote. The lack of very simple Ancient Greek stories is a problem. All of the graded readers ment...
by Σαῦλος
Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:42 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do you speak Attic?
Replies: 10
Views: 5005

Re: Do you speak Attic?


I found a newer version of that file. The previously linked file is deleted.
Ancient Greek Phrasebook


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AoFTR ... _be6TxJPhQ
by Σαῦλος
Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: An Election Day Treat
Replies: 11
Views: 5297

Re: An Election Day Treat

πειρώμενος γίνεσθαι γενναῖος ἐνυβρίσω τοὺς ἀμφοτέρους·
__ ἱλαρὰ μὲν ἡ Ἵλαρι
___ ὁ δὲ Τρύμπος τρύμη.

[τρύμη [ῡ], ἡ, (τρύω) a hole: metaph. a sharp fellow, sly knave]
by Σαῦλος
Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do you speak Attic?
Replies: 10
Views: 5005

Re: Do you speak Attic?


Don't know if this helps you at all, but about 3 years back, I was working on a Koine Phrasebook.
Open editing here:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing
by Σαῦλος
Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:03 am
Forum: The Agora
Topic: εἴκοσι ἐρωτήματα -- ἔχω τι ἐν νῷ.
Replies: 23
Views: 13476

Re: εἴκοσι ἐρωτήματα -- ἔχω τι ἐν νῷ.

τί οἴδαμεν ἕως τοῦ νυν; Ἰησοῦς ἔκειτο ἐπί ταύτην τὴν σκεύην, ἀλλὰ οὐκ ἐστιν σκεύη τι περὶ τοῦ παθεῖν.

ἐστιν σκεύη σκληρὰ, ὡς λίθος ἤ ξύλον;

πειρώμενοι ἀποκριθῆναι τὸ τοῦ Μάρκου αἴνιγμα ἔτι ἔχομεν δώδεκα ἐρωτήματα. οὐκ ἐκλύεσθε! νικήσομεν!
by Σαῦλος
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:15 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Stories Composed for Greek class
Replies: 9
Views: 4502

Re: Stories Composed for Greek class

Thank you to all. I've been intending to revise the story according to your suggestions, but just haven't had time. David was right on the interpretation love and repent. MWH - τοτε versus ειτα - Didn't know that! I looked at τοτε uses in the New Testament and many are simply "next, then." ειτα επει...
by Σαῦλος
Mon May 23, 2016 10:51 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Stories Composed for Greek class
Replies: 9
Views: 4502

Re: Stories Composed for Greek class

ἐπὶ τῷ Bedwerῷ διορθοῦν τῷ θεῷ ἐυχαριστῷ.
by Σαῦλος
Mon May 23, 2016 6:40 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Stories Composed for Greek class
Replies: 9
Views: 4502

Re: Stories Composed for Greek class

On the off chance someone would want to use this story or riff off of it, I've posted it again, corrected as best as I could using Bedwere's advice and LibreOffice Ancient Greek spellchecker (should have done that before posting the first time!). LEVEL ONE - CORRECTED 1. χήρα τις ἔχει δύο τέκνα. ἔχε...
by Σαῦλος
Mon May 23, 2016 6:01 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Stories Composed for Greek class
Replies: 9
Views: 4502

Re: Stories Composed for Greek class

I wish I knew how to say "I so very grateful" in Greek, but I'll have to settle for what I know:
χάριν ἔχω σοι
by Σαῦλος
Fri May 20, 2016 5:57 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Stories Composed for Greek class
Replies: 9
Views: 4502

Stories Composed for Greek class

Below is a story I composed for my students, written as an easy level and a harder level. I tried to include some of the vocabulary and constructions in the book we are now using, Shirley Rollinson's fine set of 70 lessons, freely available at http://www.drshirley.org/ Here is also a video of my tel...
by Σαῦλος
Tue May 10, 2016 11:52 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Conversational Greek Via Skype
Replies: 5
Views: 2255

Re: Conversational Greek Via Skype

So, I concluded that it would work better to use Voice Thread https://voicethread.com/myvoice/#thread ... 7/38213506 I'm always interested in having an online oral Greek exchange. But I have to agree with Markos that it is difficult. Voice Thread is a powerful, simple, free tool that we enjoyed. It...
by Σαῦλος
Tue May 10, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 100
Views: 52925

Re: Greek reader reviews

Here is a list of all Reader's I've found.
It's a messy Excel file I just dumped info into. If anyone is inspired to, clean it up and re-post the link here.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/988 ... aders.xlsx
by Σαῦλος
Tue May 10, 2016 11:07 am
Forum: The Agora
Topic: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)
Replies: 327
Views: 157383

Re: What I did studying Greek today (in Greek)


ἀνέγνων ἅ Δαυιδ ἐμάνθανεν.
by Σαῦλος
Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rouse's First Greek Course
Replies: 21
Views: 11850

Re: Rouse's First Greek Course

CulturaClassica is a website (Spanish language) that promotes living language approaches to learning Latin and Greek. Some of their members re-wrote Rouse’s “Greek Boy.” The book came out a year ago and is sold for 16 Euro. The preview pages show some truly wonderful artwork done specially for the ...
by Σαῦλος
Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek and Latin learning via Skype. Classics at home.
Replies: 25
Views: 8257

Re: Greek and Latin learning via Skype. Classics at home.

After reading this essay (in the line of Luigi Miraglia’s How Latin is (not) taught http://www.latinitatis.com/latinitas/te ... raglia.htm I decided to learn modern Greek with a very simple and efficient English-written method destined to Hellenic-Americans keen on Greek learning. http://www.greek1...
by Σαῦλος
Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise IX - Cyrus I'm back to composing and found Exercise IX especially useful for teaching word order. I think attempting the composition without help is essential to then seeing how natural Sidgwick's word order then looks. It has helped to have comments here showing such confidence in Sidgwick...
by Σαῦλος
Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise VIII -- Comment @Σαῦλος I only noticed three that weren't commented on. Of course, I'm not good for word order questions, although I can generally tell the Sidgwick is right and I'm not. ἀνάριθμαι -> ἀνήριθμοι ταύτων -> ταύταις (or τούτων?) I don’t think that the ἐκ is necessary. I'm not s...
by Σαῦλος
Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

I really appreciate the specific feedback from you (plural). Exercise VIII -- Comment @Saulos (1) Sidgwick: "In this wood are numberless bees flying every way very-quickly." "ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ ὕλῃ ἐισὶ μέλισσαι ἀνήριθμοι τάντῃ τάχιστα πετόμεναι." Note the adverbs going not at sentence end but before the v...
by Σαῦλος
Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise VIII Bees - Submission ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ ὕλῃ μέλισσαι ἀνάριθμ αι εἰσὶ πετόμεναι (1) πάντῃ τάχιστα. ποῦ ὁ τόπος ἐν ᾦ ἐστιν ὁ οἶκος ταύτων; ἴσως ἐν δένδρῳ μεγάλῳ τινι ἐκ τούτων τῶν δένδρων ἐστίν. πολλάκις γὰρ τὰ ξύλα σαπρά (2) ἐστιν διὰ τὸν μακρὸν χρόνον καὶ τὸν δεινὸν ὑετόν. οὕτω ἐν τῷ κοίλῳ ἄντρ...
by Σαῦλος
Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise VII – Comments @ Sidgwick If you aim to make your translation close to Sidgwick's, don't use the Genitive of Possession in this exercise. The footnotes for this exercise take you to § 36b. I like the way Sidwick's notes there connect the use of the Accusative for extent of time with the us...
by Σαῦλος
Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Daivid... He was replying to my quip:
Σαῦλος wrote:Exercise VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII -- Correction @ Joel
jeidsath wrote: "I will try breaking off threads for every group of three exercises going forward"
A subforum is a great idea. Maybe we could PM Jeff Tirey (admin) about it.
by Σαῦλος
Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise VI – Comment @ Sidgwick I'm finding the most value in doing these exercises is reading Sidgwick's translation. My translation is more like a chore to get through in order to appreciate his translation. I'm wondering if I should actually be going more slowly and internalizing his little sto...
by Σαῦλος
Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise V - Comment "They will not be able to pull out their companion." Sigdwick has: καὶ οῦχ οἷοί τε ἔσονται τὸν ἑταῖρον ἐξέλκειν. Is this allowed? οὐκ ἔσται δυνατόν αὐτοῖς ἐξέλκειν τὸν ἑταῖρον. Exercise V -- Comment @ Joel You noted that αὐτός wasn’t needed. I think it also gives the wrong idea...
by Σαῦλος
Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise IV - Submission ἤδη ὁ στρατός ἐν τῷ στρατοπέδῳ ἐστίν (1) καὶ τὸ ναυτικὸν παρὰ τὸν (2) ταύτης τῆς νήσου αἰγιαλὸν ἐστίν. οἱ δὲ πολέμιοι εἰσίν ἐπὶ τοῦ λόφου ὅς ἐναντίος τῷ στρατοπέδῳ ἡμῶν ἐστιν. τάχα αὔριον (3) μάχη ἔσται· οὗτοι δοκοῦσι ἕτοιμοι εἶναι (4) . αὕτη δὲ ἐστίν (5) ἡ μηχανὴ τοῦ ἡμετέ...
by Σαῦλος
Sun May 31, 2015 3:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Exercises III->
Replies: 38
Views: 8827

Re: First Greek Writer Exercises III->

Exercise IIΙ -- Submission οὗτος ὁ ἵππος ἐμός ἐστιν. πρότερον ἦν ἰσχυρός. νῦν δὲ λεπτὸς καὶ φαῦλος ἐστίν. λέξω τὴν αἰτίαν τούτου. ἄπιστοι ἦσαν ἐκεῖνοι οἱ γεωργοὶ οἶς τὸν ἐπὸν ἵππον ἐπέτρεπον. τὸν σῖτον ἔκλεπτον τοῦ ἵππου. ἀλλὰ ἀγαθὴ ἡ μηχανὴ ἥν ἔχω. ἐγὼ γὰρ ἔθηκα τοὺς λίθους ἐς τὴν φάτνην. ὁ μὲν ἵπ...
by Σαῦλος
Fri May 29, 2015 1:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Study Group
Replies: 29
Views: 7113

Re: First Greek Writer Study Group

Daivid - I thought the same. A separate thread for each exercise would be good. It's going to get really messy as we go on. Maybe discussion of Exercise I & II could remain here. Could we ask Jeisdath to start a new thread for Exercise III and each beyond that? ω Ιεισδαθ, καὶ συ θέλεις τοῦτο καὶ δύν...
by Σαῦλος
Fri May 29, 2015 11:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Study Group
Replies: 29
Views: 7113

Re: First Greek Writer Study Group

Exercise II Question: Jeisdath wrote, ἰδοὺ ἔξω τοῦ κινδύνου εἰσὶ καὶ. I don't understand the rules about a moveable Nun, but it feels like it should have one. I found "εισιν και" 61x in the NT. Comments on Jeisdath's revised composition: εἴσι τρεῖς ναῦται ἐν ἐκείνῳ τῷ πλοίῳ. ἱμάτια ἐρυθρά ἐστι τοῖς ...
by Σαῦλος
Fri May 29, 2015 9:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: First Greek Writer Study Group
Replies: 29
Views: 7113

Re: First Greek Writer Study Group

EXERCISE I Here are two questions about Exercise I: νῦν ἐστί, Sidgwick puts an accent on the ultima of ἐστι, I assume, because of the break in thought. Otherwise, I would have expected no accent. DA Carson rule EPR.4 “If the word preceding an enclitic has a circumflex accent on the ultima, then both...
by Σαῦλος
Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available
Replies: 11
Views: 5391

Re: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available

I could not be more pleased with the long awaited publication of Emiliano Caruso's Monolingual Dictionary of Ancient Greek. Thanks for the review, Mark. I'm going to buy it. Depending on shipping, might be cheaper here (72 Euro = 78.15 USD) http://www.angloamericanbook.it/bookinfo.php?aabcode=59523...
by Σαῦλος
Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:10 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Types of Verbs
Replies: 1
Views: 1449

Re: Types of Verbs

I wonder if learning “across” instead of “down” would be a better way to memorize verbs. E.g. εἰπεῖν --> γράψαι --> δέξασθαι --> γενέσθαι --> θεῖναι --> πειραθῆναι λέγειν --> γράφειν --> δέχεσθαι --> γίνεσθαι --> τιθέναι --> πειρᾶσθαι εἰπέ --> γράψον --> δέξαι --> γενοῦ --> θές --> πειράθητι λέγε --...
by Σαῦλος
Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: libreoffice-openoffice Anc Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 1600

Re: libreoffice-openoffice Anc Greek

If you get this to work well for you, tell us how. I've used it on pages of Greek that I've typed and found problems. First, I figured out that I needed to convert everything from Basic to Extended (or is it from Extended to Basic). But the extension includes a tool that does that nicely with a clic...
by Σαῦλος
Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Woodhouse English-Greek Dictionary in DOCX and DSL
Replies: 7
Views: 4415

Re: Woodhouse English-Greek Dictionary in DOCX and DSL

Well done, Akemdwr.
820 pages of searchable entries!
by Σαῦλος
Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 29442

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

Σαῦλος wrote: And is it wrong to say that all people of average intelligence can learn a second language? ...I honestly admire those who can make the switch from analysis to synthesis, from grammatical explanations to comprehension. I just don't think it works for typical language learners. It soun...
by Σαῦλος
Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 29442

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

I thought ψυχρός ἐστίν was just fine. ψυχρός ὁ ἀήρ. ψυγρός (ὁ ἀήρ) ἐστίν. I hope it's not criticism per se to state that the G-T method is based on an appeal to the analytic processes in the brain (located in the frontal lobe). And is it wrong to conclude that those who are good at memorization and ...
by Σαῦλος
Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 29442

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

"Grammar-translation" is such an unhelpful term The term "Grammar-Translation method" seems to me to be a good summary label for the method. It teaches language by introducing grammar and employing translation to both practice grammar and also to assess whether learning has taken place. Whenever I'...
by Σαῦλος
Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 29442

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

The goal of what is described as the grammar-translation method is to enable the student to read and understand ancient Greek texts. Thanks for the reply. You are right, I wrote without qualifiers. My apologies. In fact, one of the criticisms of Grammar Translation with which I disagree is that it ...
by Σαῦλος
Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 29442

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

Maybe a comparison of the G-T Method and the Communicative Approach will be helpful. One approach to learning Ancient Greek is the Grammar-Translation approach. The approach began sometime after Latin and Ancient Greek had ceased to be used as living languages and grew in use until, in the mid-19th...
by Σαῦλος
Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Imperative ending -θι
Replies: 14
Views: 3623

Re: Imperative ending -θι

I'm tasked with the assignment to develop a dialogue in Greek, involving a street scene; I need to use the phrase "Stop" as in "stop where you are, stop moving". στῆθι!!! works for "Stop!" Literally, "stand," but also used for "Stop" [where you are]. παυε or παυσον does not work. That's transitive ...