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by katzenjammer
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace
Replies: 11
Views: 5815

Re: Tips for reading Latin sentences at a normal pace

There is another method: linear reading. I don't know whether it's better, maybe it depends on how everyone's brain is wired. However, I'm applying this method to read Oerberg's Caesar edition and I have the impression that it truly helps to learn to think in latin. The method is explained here (p....
by katzenjammer
Fri May 04, 2018 4:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Gerundives & Gerunds
Replies: 5
Views: 1812

Gerundives & Gerunds

So, in this sentence: " Legendo noscimus multa." We know many things by reading. And "legendo" is an ablative gerund. It is a substantive, is active in meaning (and neuter singular). But, this sentence: " Libris legendis noscimus multa." We know many things by reading books . I know legendis is a ge...
by katzenjammer
Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

Your question about “Why sum?”: It’s just a convention, as I explained. You’re right that the participle alone would do the job just as well. Your question about 3rd/4th principal part: Since deponents have only 3 principal parts, the last one is the 3rd—or you can call it the 4th and say that it d...
by katzenjammer
Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

All of your answers have been very helpful indeed. I think I needed to step back and re-conceive exactly what my question is (sometimes the hardest part.) Sorry I've been a bit confused; this is an attempt to piece together what I'm really asking :oops: So, in studying deponents the author of A Prim...
by katzenjammer
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

The simple formula to remember deponents in Latin: "Passive in form, but active in meaning." This explains pretty much everything about it. It's why there are only three principal parts, the present passive first person singular, the present passive infinitive, and the first person singular perfect...
by katzenjammer
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

So then there was this passage: "The last principle part is conventionally given with sum, showing the perfect indicative form. Without sum, this is of course the perfect participle, which has an active meaning." Is this about the principal parts of deponents ? If so— and only if so —it’s correct (...
by katzenjammer
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

Another related question: Third Declension, "natus sum" - be born. Isn't that^ a passive meaning, lol? Con...fuse..ed. The deponent thing is needlessly confusing. It's better to think of such verbs as not having an active form because to the Roman mind they were only used passively or something lik...
by katzenjammer
Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Re: Deponent Verb Question

Another related question:

Third Declension, "natus sum" - be born.

Isn't that^ a passive meaning, lol? Con...fuse..ed.
by katzenjammer
Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent Verb Question
Replies: 14
Views: 3011

Deponent Verb Question

So, as my Greek is more advanced than my Latin, I'm somewhat familiar with Deponent verb forms; this passage, however, has me a bit confused and wonder if someone might help clarify it. So, overall, putting aside semi-deponents and exceptions/complexities and whatnot, deponents are verbs that 1. hav...
by katzenjammer
Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Re: Confused about perfect passive indicatives

That makes sense! Thank you very much! :)
by katzenjammer
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Re: Confused about perfect passive indicatives

scriptum est It is written or It has been written. scriptum erat It was written or It had been written. So let's take: "Homo factus est." According to the above: "He is made man" or "he has been made man". However, NO ONE translates it that way. Obviously, "He was made man." How should I think abou...
by katzenjammer
Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Finished Pharr -> need a basic reader...
Replies: 5
Views: 3068

Finished Pharr -> need a basic reader...

Greetings, now that I've spent some time with lingua latina after mostly finishing Collins, I am amazed at how well those readers reinforce my basic Latin and instill confidence in actually reading rather than "decoding." So, I'm wondering now: is there some resource similar to lingua latina in anci...
by katzenjammer
Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Re: Confused about perfect passive indicatives

mwh wrote:scriptum est It is written or It has been written.
scriptum erat It was written or It had been written.
Thanks so very much mwh. Sorry, I'm a bit thick sometimes, lol :D
by katzenjammer
Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Re: Confused about perfect passive indicatives

thanks! scriptum erat is just the past of scriptum est. Okay, so how would you translated "scriptum erat" (pluperfect passive indicative) into English? I think you're saying that it would be either: "it had been written" or "it is written" - because they are effectively the same locution? Thanks aga...
by katzenjammer
Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Re: Confused about perfect passive indicatives

So then I start to think: perhaps it's not a perfect passive indicative compound construction, but just a Perfect Passive Participle with a present tense "to be"? There’s no real difference. “It is written” is the same as “It has been written.” If someone has written something (perfect active), it’...
by katzenjammer
Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Confused about perfect passive indicatives
Replies: 10
Views: 4568

Confused about perfect passive indicatives

So, in this sentence here: "Scriptum est in libro veteris testamenti primo quoniam Deus spiritum emisit et vivificavit Adam." I would take "scriptum est" as a perfect passive indicative compound construction. And, would render it "it was written." But in the answer book (Dunlap answer key for Collin...
by katzenjammer
Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wharton's Etyma Graeca
Replies: 8
Views: 4332

Re: Wharton's Etyma Graeca

hmmmmm....interesting, thanks. Yes, I can easily get lost in lexicons - and often do, emerging hours later. Love it. :D

HOw do you explore Greek folk etymology? That sounds fascinating.
by katzenjammer
Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wharton's Etyma Graeca
Replies: 8
Views: 4332

Re: Wharton's Etyma Graeca

Well, I'm much the same as you - I suppose I'm trying to figure out how I can get MORE out of the book, as it does seem like it has so much in it. :)

Anyway, thanks for responding!

Cheers,

~katz
by katzenjammer
Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wharton's Etyma Graeca
Replies: 8
Views: 4332

Re: Wharton's Etyma Graeca

Gosh, 83 "looks" and no one can advise me? :o
by katzenjammer
Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Wharton's Etyma Graeca
Replies: 8
Views: 4332

Wharton's Etyma Graeca

Hey all, I've had this book on my shelf for some time; I flip through it once in a while but I'm not sure exactly how to make use of it. For intermediate Greek students, is there some way I can make use of this book? Do students systematically study it to improve vocabulary? Or is it just a referenc...
by katzenjammer
Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software
Replies: 21
Views: 21975

Re: Looking for Classical Greek OCR Software

Hey all - anyone ever make any progress with this? Good heavens this would be mighty useful!
by katzenjammer
Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!
Replies: 7
Views: 3872

Re: Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!

You make some very good points; the more I look into this the wiser your approach seems. I've never had the advantage of the whole LSJ entry at my fingertips like that, so it didn't occur to me to use it as you say. I've already seen a great number of questionable definitions just in my initial fool...
by katzenjammer
Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!
Replies: 7
Views: 3872

Re: Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!

Thanks, yeah I see what you mean. I've got the full LSJ and even the Middle Liddle sometimes seems inadequate. On the other hand, that's a problem with regular flashcards too; you can only fit so much on them; I suppose you can fit more on a virtual card, but I can only handle looking at a computer ...
by katzenjammer
Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!
Replies: 7
Views: 3872

Transitioning to Virtual Flashcards - need help!

I'm fairly old school and I'm going to try virtual flashcards as the number of cards is just too unmanageable with real-world cards. I'm considering using Anki. My problem is, I cannot seem to be able to import vocab lists from Perseus. Is anyone able to help with this? Here's some advice below from...
by katzenjammer
Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is Vocabulary King?
Replies: 21
Views: 9893

Re: Is Vocabulary King?

So I was reading Chantraiine for the first time today. Wow. Great stuff. It seems much easier to get a grip on vocabulary when you learn all the derivatives, denominatives, etc. of a given root at the same time. Do you guys agree? Did you all know that? How come nobody told me? :x It's nice the way...
by katzenjammer
Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is Vocabulary King?
Replies: 21
Views: 9893

Re: Is Vocabulary King?

So I was reading Chantraiine for the first time today. Wow. Great stuff. It seems much easier to get a grip on vocabulary when you learn all the derivatives, denominatives, etc. of a given root at the same time. Do you guys agree? Did you all know that? How come nobody told me? :x It's nice the way...
by katzenjammer
Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:28 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Is anyone approving new member posts?
Replies: 10
Views: 6270

Re: Is anyone approving new member posts?

Sounds like you guys need an anti-spam software upgrade - no doubt $ is a problem? Is there a donation button hidden somewhere? On other boards I've been a part of the expectation is that everyone who participates regularly gives something on a monthly basis.
by katzenjammer
Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:44 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?
Replies: 7
Views: 7378

Re: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?

Hey all - on this same topic, I'm starting Plutarch soon and I've noticed that the Oxford doesn't appear to print an edition of Plutarch. Any Plutarch readers out there? Is Loeb our only choice?
by katzenjammer
Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:00 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?
Replies: 7
Views: 7378

Re: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?

I go back and forth between Loeb & the Oxford Classical Texts. I love the look and feel of the Loeb: the cream paper, just the right size, the feel of the covers, the font is gorgeous in my opinion. The only downside is the distracting English translation, which usually border on the absurd; what I ...