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by Nooj
Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: koine is weird
Replies: 9
Views: 4141

Re: koine is weird

Anyway, koiné has much more regularized words (πλοῖον instead of the super-irregular ναῦς, for example) that makes reading it a much more easy task than reading other authors does. I actually like all the irregular words. :twisted: I felt a little sad that Koine got rid of the -mi verb terminations...
by Nooj
Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: koine is weird
Replies: 9
Views: 4141

koine is weird

I stay away from Koine Greek usually, because I'm not really interested in Koine literature, but I was bored and started reading the NT. I don't know if it's just me, but I get this strange feeling when I read Koine. Most of it is familiar , but it's familiar in a peculiar way. I get less of that fe...
by Nooj
Thu May 10, 2012 3:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Demosthenes: On the Crown
Replies: 1
Views: 1297

Demosthenes: On the Crown

πρῶτον μέν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τοῖς θεοῖς εὔχομαι πᾶσι καὶ πάσαις, ὅσην εὔνοιαν ἔχων ἐγὼ διατελῶ τῇ τε πόλει καὶ πᾶσιν ὑμῖν, τοσαύτην ὑπάρξαι μοι παρ' ὑμῶν εἰς τουτονὶ τὸν ἀγῶνα, ἔπειθ' ὅπερ ἐστὶ μάλισθ' ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν καὶ τῆς ὑμετέρας εὐσεβείας τε καὶ δόξης, τοῦτο παραστῆσαι τοὺς θεοὺς ὑμῖν, μὴ τὸν ἀντί...
by Nooj
Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus 1.11.2
Replies: 1
Views: 1337

Herodotus 1.11.2

ἢ γὰρ Κανδαύλεα ἀποκτείνας ἐμέ τε καὶ τὴν βασιληίην ἔχε τὴν Λυδῶν, ἢ αὐτόν σε αὐτίκα οὕτω ἀποθνήσκειν δεῖ, ὡς ἂν μὴ πάντα πειθόμενος Κανδαύλῃ τοῦ λοιποῦ ἴδῃς τὰ μὴ σε δεῖ. ’ Either take me and the sovereignty over the Lydian after you have killed Candaules, or you yourself must die straight away, so...
by Nooj
Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation issues
Replies: 7
Views: 4476

Re: Pronunciation issues

Quite right Damoetas. However, as I've already tried to be accurate as possible already on other matters of pronunciation, I'd feel like I have unfinished business if I don't try to be thorough. I personally don't think it matters if phi is pronounced as a fricative as it became later in Koine. Koin...
by Nooj
Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation issues
Replies: 7
Views: 4476

Pronunciation issues

1) I've always pronounced ου as , as Mastronarde says, but now I hear that in classical Attic, it was actually pronounced as [o:] or as 'A Companion to the Ancient Greek Language' puts it, [ọ̄]. I'm not sure what they mean by the dot underneath though. So δηλοῦν would be [dɛ:lo:n], not [dɛ:lu:n]. Th...
by Nooj
Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:21 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Richness of a language
Replies: 20
Views: 9547

Re: Richness of a language

Some (aboriginal) languages, for example, hardly have any words for larger quantities. Is such a language really as "rich" as a modern language when dealing with an environment and reality in which "quantities" are very important? In their own environment these aboriginal languages certainly do the...
by Nooj
Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:04 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 53961

Re: What's the point?

The letters follow the sounds. Consentio. I find it interesting how easily I say the expression "you pronounce the letters this way". But of course letters and writing are really a representation of the most important bits of a language, which are the sounds . So in actual fact, the letters pronoun...
by Nooj
Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation
Replies: 3
Views: 1333

Re: Translation

Markos wrote: διά τί το "μὴ μοι?"
χάριν εἴσομαι, ἥμαρτον λέγων τό μὴ.

Thanks Nate for your corrections. :)
by Nooj
Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:50 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 53961

Re: What's the point?

This thread is turning out to be quite interesting. As a native English speaker, I see a charm in Latin, as too do many other native English-speaking people, as witnessed by its use in Hollywood movies and books. If I had to describe Latin I'd choose adjectives like "elegant", "powerful", "strong"....
by Nooj
Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation
Replies: 3
Views: 1333

Translation

Here are some English to Greek translations, I'd be happy if you could point out any errors or improvements. Καμου πρόσθεν δόξαν μάλιστα εἶχε τοῦ τὰ μέλη ποιεῖν, ἔτι καὶ νῦν ἔχει. Camus was and is best known for his lyrical writing. ἄρχομαι οἴσθαι σε μὴ μοι μισεῖν. I'm beginning to think you hate me...
by Nooj
Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:07 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Homeric vs. Attic
Replies: 3
Views: 4436

Re: Homeric vs. Attic

The other day Laura Gibbs told me that Koine Greek and Attic Greek are the same language. The difference is about the same as that between modern English and Shakespearean English. I am now qondering what the relation is between Homeric and Attic. Is it the same degree of difference? More or less? ...
by Nooj
Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 53961

Re: What's the point?

In the U.S.A. we are only taught how to USE grammar but not actually taught what, how or why these grammar rules stand. Honestly in my very first Latin course (Junior in High School) our teacher asked us to give him a verb. The class went silent. Finally I raised my hand and asked what a verb was. ...
by Nooj
Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

I would not fault Aquinas for reading Aristotle only by way of Arabic translations (the Greek was not available to him). I would fault him for not sorely regretting the fact that he couldn't get his hands on the original. The only reason that Aquinas should have found it regrettable is if he was un...
by Nooj
Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

I'll reply to the rest of your post tomorrow, after I get some sleep. 1. And what's the purpose of reading "the" Aeneid? To say you have read it? Why do we read anything? For enjoyment, for pleasure, for boredom, for information etc etc. Why listen to a Bob Dylan album when you can read the liner no...
by Nooj
Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

Also to the person commenting on the Aeneid in translation being "good enough". Good enough for what purpose? To read. I guess I could understand that. But otherwise it's like saying the Cliff's Notes of a novel, or a photograph of a painting, are "good enough". The Aeneid is a poem. The only purpo...
by Nooj
Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

This seems to be a really awesome resource: http://www.slang.gr/

Now if only I could read it. :)

Is it just me, or do Greek speakers speak Greek faster than English speakers do with English?
by Nooj
Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus
Replies: 3
Views: 1524

Re: Herodotus

Thank you Nate!
by Nooj
Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

Well that's neither here nor there. If we were being so utilitarian why would bother with extraneous languages anyway? Just so you know where I'm coming from, my area of study is linguistics. One of my interests, more like a passion really, is in language endagerment. Speaking a language with only ...
by Nooj
Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

But don't you get tired of not being able to use AG anywhere else outside of your circle of friends? I have very mixed feelings about having learned Latin and Ancient Greek instead of French, German or any other language that is spoken by a living culture. Once I thought it was important to read tex...
by Nooj
Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

Thank you, that's awesome. Was the course developed quite a while ago? I thought Greek dropped all the diacritics except the acute accent, but I see circumflexes there.
by Nooj
Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Re: Learning Modern Greek

ευχαριστώ, I'll check to see if my uni library has them.

On the listening and speaking front, some of my friends are Greek, so the next few months are going to be annoying/hilarious for them.
by Nooj
Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus
Replies: 3
Views: 1524

Herodotus

One text I'm using says: 7.206.2 ὣς δὲ καὶ οἱ λοιποὶ τῶν συμμάχων ἐνένωντο καὶ αὐτοὶ ἕτερα τοιαῦτα ποιήσειν· ἦν γὰρ κατὰ τὠυτὸ Ὀλυμπιὰς τούτοισι τοῖσι πρήγμασι συμπεσοῦσα· οὔκων δοκέοντες κατὰ τάχος οὕτω διακριθήσεσθαι τὸν ἐν Θερμοπύλῃσι πόλεμον ἔπεμπον τοὺς προδρόμους. (H. has previously described ...
by Nooj
Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 28756

Learning Modern Greek

Does anyone have any good resources for learning Standard Modern Greek? For example, a grammar like the ones we have for ancient Greek. I really want to learn a language that people actually speak.
by Nooj
Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:54 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient vs. modern Greek
Replies: 4
Views: 9774

Re: Ancient vs. modern Greek

Hi. Does anyone if there is any major difference between, say, Attic Greek (or any other ancient dialect) and the language spoken today, and also the writing system? I find it interesting that, although indubitably undergoing a plethora of changes over the millenia, Greek is still alive today, whil...
by Nooj
Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19637

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

As I see it, all languages have case, even ones like Mandarin Chinese.
Linguistically speaking, all languages have (some) grammatical functions. Case = inflection, and isolating languages don't inflect at all.
by Nooj
Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?
Replies: 30
Views: 19637

Re: Which is harder: Attic or Classical Latin?

I studied Latin in high school for four or five years, doing it for my HSC. I've studied Attic Greek for precisely two years (this is my second). I find Greek much, much easier to read than Latin. I can't tell you why. On the other hand, writing Latin comes much easier to me. There came a point wher...
by Nooj
Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: article question
Replies: 3
Views: 1621

Re: article question

Thanks for the citation on the quote. I recommend the book in original or in translation. It's an interesting philosophy. (2) ἔννοια - here in the dative - gets an adverbial sense 'implicitly'; Liddell & Scott does not have any entry that could match this sense - perhaps (A, 3) 'intention' of a test...
by Nooj
Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: article question
Replies: 3
Views: 1621

article question

Sextus Empiricus is talking about what a Skeptic is like.

Καὶ ὁ Πυρρώνειος δὲ φιλόσοφος δυνάμει τῇ τῆς σκεπτικῆς ἀγωγῆς ἐννοίᾳ συναποδέδοται· ἔστι γὰρ ὁ μετέχων ταύτης τῆς δυνάμεως

Is this an instance of the relatively uncommon noun - article - modifier position? I have trouble understanding this.
by Nooj
Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:33 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: macrons
Replies: 13
Views: 12919

Re: macrons

Tēnā koutou. Also helps if you ever decide to learn te reo.
by Nooj
Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Which Greek dialect did these Hellenistic thinkers write in?
Replies: 5
Views: 2688

Re: Which Greek dialect did these Hellenistic thinkers write

Tell that to Christophorus Hitchens. :)
by Nooj
Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crito help
Replies: 14
Views: 5023

Re: Crito help

Another question folks:

[44d] εἰ γὰρ ὤφελον, ὦ Κρίτων, οἷοί τ᾽ εἶναι οἱ πολλοὶ τὰ μέγιστα κακὰ ἐργάζεσθαι

1) Aren't wishes supposed to take acc + infinitive?
2) Why isn't οἱ πολλοὶ accusative if it's the subject of εἶναι?
by Nooj
Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crito help
Replies: 14
Views: 5023

Re: Crito help

Thank you guys! I really appreciate the help.
by Nooj
Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Crito help
Replies: 14
Views: 5023

Crito help

Hello, I've got some questions. [43c] καὶ ἄλλοι, ὦ Σώκρατες, τηλικοῦτοι ἐν τοιαύταις συμφοραῖς ἁλίσκονται, ἀλλ᾽ οὐδὲν αὐτοὺς ἐπιλύεται ἡ ἡλικία τὸ μὴ οὐχὶ ἀγανακτεῖν τῇ παρούσῃ τύχῃ. Could someone describe to my how exactly this construction with verbs of hindering works? As in, why the double negat...
by Nooj
Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Some points / questions from Orberg LLPSI Cap. XXII
Replies: 2
Views: 1483

Re: Some points / questions from Orberg LLPSI Cap. XXII

Cur'quem' et non 'quid' in parte secunda setentiae est? Is it 'whom do you seek' as opposed to 'what do you seek'? These are interrogative prononuns, right? Very much so. Quem quaeris is asking for a person, quid vis is asking 'what do you want'? Estne 'Quid' neutrum accusativum pronomen interrogat...
by Nooj
Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Roma Aeterna Cap. XXXVI-Question
Replies: 12
Views: 4843

Re: Roma Aeterna Cap. XXXVI-Question

No, I'm not! :oops: The se is not reflexive indeed.
by Nooj
Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Roma Aeterna Cap. XXXVI-Question
Replies: 12
Views: 4843

Re: Roma Aeterna Cap. XXXVI-Question

salve amice. You've taken postremus to be an adverb, but you'll note that it does not have the form of an adverb (postremo) so it can't be so. I understand postremus to go with the locus: the final place. You are correct in that the factam goes with the voraginem. The predicative nature of the parti...
by Nooj
Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Translation Questions
Replies: 24
Views: 11954

Re: Translation Questions

Latin: Virī stultī culpāre nōn possumus; magnus numerus sānum erant. Viros stultos or better yet, stultos. Viros stultos is the object of culpo so they need to be in the accusative case. Viros is superfluous here, the substantive stultos says the same thing. I put it in the accusative because I thi...
by Nooj
Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: practice questions
Replies: 56
Views: 22377

Re: practice questions

Hello everybody. I'm now reading Xenophon's Anabasis on the good advice that it was suitable for a beginner. ἐπεὶ δ᾽ ἐδόκει ἤδη πορεύεσθαι αὐτῷ ἄνω, τὴν μὲν πρόφασιν ἐποιεῖτο ὡς Πισίδας βουλόμενος ἐκβαλεῖν παντάπασιν ἐκ τῆς χώρας: What construction the ὡς is introducing? I'm thinking it's an indirec...
by Nooj
Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:41 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: multo pulchriorem
Replies: 3
Views: 1527

Re: multo pulchriorem

Think of it like more beautiful by much.