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by annis
Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:21 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: M.L. West obiit.
Replies: 17
Views: 7711

Re: M.L. West obiit.

The first sentence of the first chapter of The East Face of Helicon, "culture, like all forms of gas, tends to spread out from where it is densest into adjacent areas where it is less dense." That made me laugh a lot.
by annis
Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: M.L. West obiit.
Replies: 17
Views: 7711

M.L. West obiit.

http://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/news/2015/j ... artin-west

His books are some of my most prized possessions.

κούφα σοι χθὼν ἐπάνωθε πέσοι.
by annis
Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect Online
Replies: 6
Views: 6484

Re: Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect Online

jabloom99 wrote:including Autenrieth.
I would not normally recommend Autenrieth to anyone except the most desperate. The definitions are so spare as to court being actively misleading.
by annis
Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: middle voice
Replies: 7
Views: 4522

Re: middle voice

Had I been using a text book that relabelled middle and passive forms as MP1 and MP2 I would have been tearing my hair out and I suspect that would be the reaction of most learners learning on their own. Well, I'm a little sympathetic with this, yet we somehow cope with things like "first aorist" a...
by annis
Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:21 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: middle voice
Replies: 7
Views: 4522

Re: middle voice

I guess it depends on how you want to see them but to me it is clear that there are two distinct voices being expressed in one way. This is shown by the way the passive and the middle are expressed using different forms for the future and aorist. I strongly recommend you read the Conrad article lin...
by annis
Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: G+
Replies: 0
Views: 899

G+

Google+ has recently rolled out "communities." I have no idea how long this will last or how well it will work, but I figured they could use a community not about video games. :)

If you use G+: Ancient Greek Language.
by annis
Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aoidoi: the Cologne Epode of Archilochus
Replies: 4
Views: 3264

Re: Aoidoi: the Cologne Epode of Archilochus

Scribo wrote:Might I perhaps write something for Aoidoi too?
Sure! Anyone who can put up with me as an editor — I have a bizarre talent for noticing stray accents and breathing marks in other people's work — can submit something.
by annis
Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aoidoi: the Cologne Epode of Archilochus
Replies: 4
Views: 3264

Aoidoi: the Cologne Epode of Archilochus

Bret Mulligan and some of his students at Haverford College produced an Aoidoi-inspired commentary on the infamous "Cologne Epode," Archilochus 196A (not really reading for children).
by annis
Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: genative and accusative in John 17:5
Replies: 1
Views: 1117

Re: genative and accusative in John 17:5

Near the end of John 17:5 is this phrase, "pro tou ton kosmon einai", which I see translated in NASB as "before the world was". I see the pronoun "pro" which takes genative and is in fact followed by a genitive article, tou. But then "ton kosmon" is accusative. Furthermore, the phrase ends with an ...
by annis
Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus 1.11.2
Replies: 1
Views: 1076

Re: Herodotus 1.11.2

1) Why is there an ἂν in there? What's it doing? Hanging out with its friends. :) This is a regular feature of Herodotus' style (and Homer's), to use ἄν in purpose clauses with ὡς and ὅκως (= ὅπως). Found sometimes in Xenophon, but not otherwise in Attic prose, though of course Attic plays contain ...
by annis
Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a verbo
Replies: 2
Views: 1422

Re: a verbo

It means those forms are only ever found in compound verbs, not on their own.
by annis
Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: aor
Replies: 4
Views: 1615

Re: aor

<We> who understand them must speak more clearly about these things. I expected imperfect, since I assumed that the understanding referred to was an enduring state. Perhaps: we who have understood them? Ahh. You are mixing lexical aspect — the inherent meaning of the verb — and grammatical aspect, ...
by annis
Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ligatures in Bekker
Replies: 4
Views: 1729

Re: Ligatures in Bekker

Lavrentivs wrote:1153 b 19 has δυϛυχία.
φεῦ. Another beautiful theory destroyed by evidence.
by annis
Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: diaphero^ + inf.
Replies: 5
Views: 2085

Re: diaphero^ + inf.

Then why me^ ou is used here ? How about, it is different from the case that they are not cattle ? The infinitive phrase is translated as from ... when it is constructed with diaphero^ ? Only in my version of the English rendition. If the LSJ is to be believed, this is a rare usage. I'm not sure wh...
by annis
Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: aor
Replies: 4
Views: 1615

Re: aor

What do you expect instead of the aorist, and why? (Something is) to be said to understand about these (matters) better. It seems expected here, so I'm not sure how to answer your question without more info.
by annis
Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: diaphero^ + inf.
Replies: 5
Views: 2085

Re: diaphero^ + inf.

I have a hard time reading random Greek sentences without some more context. Sometimes more just helps me know what's going on, but so often Greek leaves out elements that have just been mentioned. So, this quote is from Lucian's Alexander the False Prophet , 15. Here's a bit more context, Ἡμέρας μὲ...
by annis
Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: γίγνομαι and acc.
Replies: 5
Views: 2224

Re: γίγνομαι and acc.

It should not. Can you give the example (and author+work citation, if possible) where you're seeing it?
by annis
Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ligatures in Bekker
Replies: 4
Views: 1729

Re: Ligatures in Bekker

I believe most of this is up to the typesetter. There are some conventions, so that I'd expect προστίθημι to not have stigma — it might even be seen as προςτίθημι — but I've never come across any reasoning behind the ligature patterns except for speed and to save parchment. I'm basing this on severa...
by annis
Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a. duplex c. i.
Replies: 4
Views: 1672

Re: a. duplex c. i.

I don't see how you are contradicting me: you admit that there is an acc. duplex that goes with an infinitive, but not that it is an acc. duplex c. inf.? The acc. c. inf. construction is specifically when one of the accusatives is the subject of the infinitive, as in indirect discourse. That is not...
by annis
Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a. duplex c. i.
Replies: 4
Views: 1672

Re: a. duplex c. i.

νῦν δ᾽ ἐπειδὴ ἀνθρώπω ἐστόν, τίνα αὐτοῖν ἐν νῷ ἔχεις ἐπιστάτην λαβεῖν; If I am not mistaken, this is an accusativus duplex cum infinitivo. I don't think so. The subject of λαβεῖν is the same as that for ἐν νῷ ἔχεις, "you have in mind," so the duplex accusative is going with λαβεῖν, "to take as" .
by annis
Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: φίλἱππος;
Replies: 11
Views: 2810

Re: φίλἱππος;

Markos wrote:ποτε μέν ναί, ποτε δ' οὔ.
ποτέ — no unaccented word can start a clause. (Well, except proclitics, of course.)
by annis
Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: φίλἱππος;
Replies: 11
Views: 2810

Re: φίλἱππος;

Οὐκ ἄν σοι ξυμφωνοίην, οἱ Ῥωμαῖοι γὰρ οἳ πολλάκις ἤκουσαν τῆς ζώσης Ἑλληνικῆς γλώσσης ἔγραφον τοὔνομα ὡς Philippus, οὐ Philhippus. Except I could find one inscriptional example of just this spelling, Philhippus. In those regions of Greece still using an epichoric script that indicated /h/ in some w...
by annis
Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do all Greek verbs have aorists?
Replies: 6
Views: 3116

Re: Do all Greek verbs have aorists?

daivid wrote:The Oxford grammar of Classical Greek lists εὕδω with the imperfect instead of an aorist -
does that indicate it has no aorist?
Oooh, I don't like that book. In this case, it is incomplete. The LJS on εὕδω shows εὕδησα, though it seems uncommon.
by annis
Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 8678

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

Not that I believe in a Homer but the Greek Aoidos has a very specific culturally vested role, one of the reasons we're so dismissive of the kind of readings I disparaged earlier is basically because they try to postulate a sort of single...proto Oxford don/Philosopher like character. No man forget...
by annis
Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A little Alciphron
Replies: 3
Views: 1420

Re: A little Alciphron

hi will, do you know of any good resources on alciphron’s style? I'm afraid not. I only know that he was considered respectably Atticist. when i was reading this it felt more like a latin sentence (in quite a natural latin order) than a grk one - bizarre. He does seem prone to rhetorical tricks tha...
by annis
Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 8678

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

I have noticed this attitude elsewhere but have not seen it elaborated. Is the claim that the specific allegorical interpretations are plainly anachronistic? Or that we have knowledge that was unavailable at the time that shows that Homer did not use allegory? Various philosophical schools would in...
by annis
Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A little Alciphron
Replies: 3
Views: 1420

A little Alciphron

One of the things I've been adding to Scholiastae is marked up texts for some of the letters of Alciphron. I just finished a new set, Letters 2.6 and 2.7 a dialog between an old man and young woman. The first sentence of the woman's reply really struck me. It's a good example of just how little Anci...
by annis
Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 8678

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

I should add that if you're going to dig into the scholia, make your library get you Dickey's book on reading them, Ancient Greek Scholarship.
by annis
Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 8678

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

There are several scholia on Homer. The "D" scholia are less highly regarded for some reason. Nonetheless, Helmut van Thiel has makes the "D" scholia available in very nice PDFs from his web page . Look down to the section "Beilagen." There's one document for the Iliad, another for the Odyssey. At t...
by annis
Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Attic Pronunciation Guide
Replies: 10
Views: 6320

Re: Attic Pronunciation Guide

Yeah, I based my guide largely on Allen since he seems so well respected, but a few of his vowel designations just rub me the wrong way. It rubbed me the wrong way at first, too, but the preponderance of evidence nonetheless points very firmly in that direction. You might find the chapters of this ...
by annis
Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Perseus Chicago vs Perseus Tufts
Replies: 5
Views: 2947

Re: Perseus Chicago vs Perseus Tufts

So, when Chicago doesn't have extra entries, is it because somebody looked at the text? For the vast majority of word forms, no. These various tools use 'lemmatizers' — programs to parse each word in their corpus. If you were crazy enough to decide you wanted to run your own personal copy of the Pe...
by annis
Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do all Greek verbs have aorists?
Replies: 6
Views: 3116

Re: Do all Greek verbs have aorists?

I do use Perseus. It is not set up to give you the aorist even though there are ways of using it to find the it. Mostly I have to guess the aorist and use it to confirm my guess. However, this does not always work. I started this thread because when I typed in ekaqeusa I got: Sorry, no information ...
by annis
Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Attic Pronunciation Guide
Replies: 10
Views: 6320

Re: Attic Pronunciation Guide

Omega is just a slightly more open version of the 'o' in English "bone." Hence, one might tabulate these three vowels like this: ο = 'aw' as in 'law' (assuming a dialect of Am. Eng. where the don-dawn merger hasn't taken root) ᾱ = 'a' as in "father" ω = 'o' as in "bone" This inverts the usual under...
by annis
Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Attic Pronunciation Guide
Replies: 10
Views: 6320

Re: Attic Pronunciation Guide

Well, I would be more careful with some of the vowels. Where did you get schwa-like pronunciation for short α, for example? I would also be more tidy about ευ, ηυ and ει, ῃ. The biggest change I'd suggest, however, has to do with the pitch accent system. The acute was not an across-the-board rising ...
by annis
Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:57 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: A useful font?
Replies: 1
Views: 2082

A useful font?

The terms of the license are actually a bit puzzling, but I think it's safe to say that if you keep electronic documents for yourself using both Greek and Latin scripts, this might be a useful font to have around: "The Brill" Typeface . Normally I'm an "all Gentium all the time" guy, but I expect to...
by annis
Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: About the nuance of aorist.
Replies: 16
Views: 6030

Re: About the nuance of aorist.

I'd like to piggy-back on Junya's question: what are the nuances of using one rather than the other of a perfective, durative or punctual tense? In particular, why would the imperfect be used over the present? Perfective = punctual. Did you mean "perfect" above? The reason I ask is that I have an i...
by annis
Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: About the nuance of aorist.
Replies: 16
Views: 6030

Re: About the nuance of aorist.

An action that is (considered) as punctual is always expressed by the aorist tense ? In another word, an action that cannot be considered as durative is never expressed by the present tense ? No. This is one of the most confusing things about verb aspect — in interacts with the intrinsic meaning of...
by annis
Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: About the nuance of aorist.
Replies: 16
Views: 6030

Re: About the nuance of aorist.

The exhortation in aor. subj. eipo^men would mean "let's say" with an aspective nuance of seeing the action as punctual, not durative, not taking some continued time. And when the subjunctive is used, only the aspect of the verb is expressed, the force of tense being abandoned. Exactly. In eipo^men...
by annis
Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: About the nuance of aorist.
Replies: 16
Views: 6030

Re: About the nuance of aorist.

I hope you won't mind if I direct you to a document Paul and I wrote for Textkit eight years ago. I've updated it a bit — Greek Verb Aspect. It addresses this very issue.