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by Scribo
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Finished books I-IV of Anabasis
Replies: 3
Views: 298

Re: Finished books I-IV of Anabasis

Re-reading is actually key in language acquisition. It's certainly key to classical languages. I mean I too literally just re-read the Anabasis. Read it in bed, start to finish, in a few days. There were certainly details I had missed the first few times I read it. Why? It's wonderful. Yes, Lysias i...
by Scribo
Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Wax tablets in the Middle Ages
Replies: 3
Views: 524

Re: Wax tablets in the Middle Ages

Wood seems to be a fairly common material too. I know in the Roman period thin sheets of wood with bee's wax served for letters in Britain. I think this could have continued. I attended a lecture, years ago, on the formation and development of Norse runes, which argued for wood there as well at some...
by Scribo
Thu May 23, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Modern Greek Translations of the Bible/New Testament
Replies: 6
Views: 1408

Re: Modern Greek Translations of the Bible/New Testament

Ouf, just saw this. Yeah, translations aren't really a thing for this text in Greece to be honest. The bible has had a large effect on the Greek language and students are heavily exposed to Ancient Greek in schools, reading the original text isn't at all difficult for most people who try. The Orthod...
by Scribo
Wed May 22, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 1332

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

The evidence from Hebrew יְוָנִי (Yĕvaniy) and Sanskrit यवन (Yavana)suggest that the Ionians at least self identified by their tribal grouping. Within the “Greek” speaking area - as we call it, the term Ἴωνες only meant “Greeks” from a particular (Eastern) tribal grouping. Assuming that the name fo...
by Scribo
Tue May 21, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: "Homeric" Greek Reworking of the Aeneid (Latin/Greek)
Replies: 1
Views: 509

"Homeric" Greek Reworking of the Aeneid (Latin/Greek)

It's from the 18th century, and there are a number of solecisms therein which differ from the kind you expect from Byzantines. I know that there are fans of this sort of stuff here: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=jG ... &q&f=false
by Scribo
Thu May 16, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 1332

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

Well, If they *were* Greek then what are they now? (haha) Well, that in itself is quite interesting, no? The whole story of the recreation of a Hellenic identity in the 19th century is really very complicated. For most of the past two thousand years, your average Hellenophone has thought of himself...
by Scribo
Thu May 16, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek
Replies: 9
Views: 1332

Re: Did the Ancient Greeks Know They Were Greek

So, I think this question is in itself a product of two modern pathologies (not in a pejorative sense!). National states. We take these as read, and so its hard for us to imagine national identities that don't quite match up with our modern perceptions. Identity seems to be the be all and end all no...
by Scribo
Wed May 15, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek third declension nouns
Replies: 6
Views: 775

Re: Greek third declension nouns

Here you go, here are the paradigms:

https://www.ccel.org/s/smyth/grammar/ht ... 2e_uni.htm
by Scribo
Fri May 10, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 1672

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

Glad you found it helpful! I get the point you're making, but Isn't "unknown" a bit too strong a word? Perhaps not as important as in other cultures or more integrated with other social structures, but unknown seems too strong. The idea that father, mother, and children did not see themselves as a g...
by Scribo
Thu May 09, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής
Replies: 14
Views: 1672

Re: family vs. relatives? οἰκία, οἰκεῖος, συγγένεια, συγγενής

I'd be careful of trying to impose hyper specific differences. Oikos, and derivatives, can function in a few ways: 1) Literally to refer to a building 2) The family (including slaves, cf Roman familia) 3) a descent group from a patriarch. This last one was an important category in Athenian law. Nucl...
by Scribo
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Which side of the road did the Romans drive/march/walk on?
Replies: 7
Views: 1511

Re: Which side of the road did the Romans drive/march/walk on?

Ha! People cite swords for all sorts of silly things, don't they? I've even heard people try and claim that swordfighting was the reason for the best man tradition. Utter nonsense. Swords were relatively rare. Swordsmanship (in any meaningful sense), more so. In Britain, the tendency to keep left wa...
by Scribo
Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Τοιούτος
Replies: 3
Views: 528

Re: Τοιούτος

I don't have a grammar to hand, but my instinct is that it's a case of almost always. Even when enjoined by τις as in τοιοῦτος τις.

I can't summon up an example from my memory contrariwise (obviously, not a huge point, but still) and it makes sense given the etymology τοῖος +‎ οὗτος.
by Scribo
Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: textcritical has free mobi versions of many Greek texts
Replies: 0
Views: 621

textcritical has free mobi versions of many Greek texts

Boom. Link. https://textcritical.net/

This is particularly good for texts you want to read casually and don't care about the textual issues about. I have pulled some Plutarch onto my Kindle for example.
by Scribo
Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to find examples of correlatives and particles?
Replies: 5
Views: 792

Re: Where to find examples of correlatives and particles?

Years and years and years ago I had a similar problem with Latin. I didn't even know what to call them. What helped, and what suggested, was the following: 1) Make a list of those you can recall from memory 2) Make a list of what you think you should be there in your native tongue 3) DICTIONARY TIME...
by Scribo
Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series
Replies: 49
Views: 6668

Re: Ørberg’s Lingua Latina series

Joel, Orberg designed the course so that you can start dipping into real texts profitably from around mid way through the second book. He meant this to be done gradually and produced several ancillary texts. Reader versions of Caesar, The Aeneid, Plautus etc. By the time you go through everything yo...
by Scribo
Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: The Hellenistic Period
Replies: 6
Views: 1176

Re: The Hellenistic Period

For the Hellenistic period: Peter Green "From Alexander to Actium" is still the preeminent narrative/thematic book for undergraduates. Quite poor re: literature, but great everywhere else. Frank Walbank "The Hellenistic Age" is a great, cheap, text by one of its foremost historians. I often recommen...
by Scribo
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 48
Views: 53561

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

It's shame composition has fallen a bit by the way side outside of competitions (which are always the same boring stuff! Translate Gladstone, translate Disraeli etc etc). I wanted to write my dissertation in Latin but was told that there would be a word count penalty upon translation. I didn't mind ...
by Scribo
Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Giving a reasonable instead of one's best effort at reading unadapted Greek?
Replies: 22
Views: 2576

Re: Giving a reasonable instead of one's best effort at reading unadapted Greek?

No, it will benefit you. This was me with Latin. Exposure is exposure. Also, this used to be a pretty standard part of pedagogy. Look up delecti , these were lists of digestible sentences categorised by morpho-syntactical function (e.g "here's 100 sentences with genitive absolutes"). They were meant...
by Scribo
Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina
Replies: 11
Views: 1882

Re: Visit to Greece, especially Aegina

I think I am going to agree with Joel on this, re: colours. I recall seeing some much better reconstructions by an Austrian (?) archaeologist. The thing is, the fragments of pigment we retain are open to widely differing interpretations in terms of intensity and hue*. The surviving paintings we have...
by Scribo
Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:13 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Rules of Textual Criticism as Adduced by Some Bib. Scholars
Replies: 17
Views: 2183

Rules of Textual Criticism as Adduced by Some Bib. Scholars

I have not read these yet, no doubt I will dislike them when I do, but none the less I post this here for your perusal. http://www.bible-researcher.com/rules.html Abstract: When the manuscripts differ, how do scholars decide which words are the original ones? There is more to it than simply choosing...
by Scribo
Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing 'Ancient Greek' in Ancient Greek
Replies: 8
Views: 1017

Re: Writing 'Ancient Greek' in Ancient Greek

Yes, it's a tendency that arrises fairly early in Greek when describing languages. I suspect metonymically from e.g "Greek things" to including language. So, for example, Sanskrit can be Indike (though more usually he indike glossa) and then (ta) Indika. Latin was, confusingly, referred to e.g as Ro...
by Scribo
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Writing 'Ancient Greek' in Ancient Greek
Replies: 8
Views: 1017

Re: Writing 'Ancient Greek' in Ancient Greek

???? Obviously the term wasn't used, but would have been the same as in modern Greek: ἀρχαῖα Ἑλληνικά.
by Scribo
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Classics Lectures
Replies: 4
Views: 1288

Re: Classics Lectures

Ah, excellent. The rest of the Classics podcasts may be found here: https://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/units/faculty-classics I heartily recommend the Gaisford lectures, as each year they're incredibly stimulating. The British School at Athens (BSA) has several incredible lectures on topics as diverse as Myc...
by Scribo
Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:37 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Classics Lectures
Replies: 4
Views: 1288

Re: Classics Lectures

This is an excellent idea for a thread, perhaps we could move it to 'civ & culture' and open it up to both sides of the Classic's coin?

If it's available online, the Syme's lecture from 2011 or 12, given by Denis Feeney is absolutely worth listening to. I remember them recording it at least.
by Scribo
Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Commentaries on Anabasis
Replies: 24
Views: 8147

Re: Commentaries on Anabasis

That's going to freak me out, since in my head your voice = Augustine's.
by Scribo
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Tyndale House Greek New Testament
Replies: 3
Views: 2592

Re: Tyndale House Greek New Testament

Interesting! I've been looking for opinions on the book because I'm trying to pick up a GNT.
by Scribo
Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek
Replies: 29
Views: 5573

Re: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek

A friend of mine has an advance copy. From what (little) I've seen, I can't really form an opinion. I can't see it replacing the usual suspects amongst budding classicists, however.
by Scribo
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The Aeneid drammatic reading
Replies: 4
Views: 2094

Re: The Aeneid drammatic reading

Well Luke it's wonderful to have you back and with such gifts too. A wonderfully expressive, rhythmic, reading. I could just ignore the screen, close my eyes, and visualise.
by Scribo
Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:28 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?
Replies: 7
Views: 3866

Re: Homeric depiction from the 15th century BCE Pylos?

I agree that we've got much more from PIE linguistics than Linear B when it comes to Homer. The issue is with the academy: previous generations of scholars on Lin.B were Classicists first and foremost. Their modern descendants are archaeologists and, in classical terms, illiterate.
by Scribo
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:16 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes
Replies: 4
Views: 2760

Re: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes

Yes, I see that religious pollution means that to murder anyone of whatever status was taboo. But in the case of a slave who would prosecute? In the case of a woman, if the husband claimed his wife died of fever, who would contradict him? Well I certainly wouldn't discount religion as a motivation....
by Scribo
Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:39 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes
Replies: 4
Views: 2760

Re: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes

I'll try to help out where I can, though I'm a little addled, don't have access to my books right now and obviously have to take an Athenian perspective. I mean you're correct in that's what we in essence have to do (we do have a decent amount of legalistic inscriptions/papyri from other periods/pla...
by Scribo
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:16 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "X lines to do" in old novels
Replies: 1
Views: 1227

Re: "X lines to do" in old novels

I can't vouch that what we do today in the UK is the same as Victorian times, but given that the courses haven't changed too much when it comes to reading, it's probably similar. So at the start of each course we're given a reading list of texts divided into α and β. The latter being what you absolu...
by Scribo
Wed May 17, 2017 9:12 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help with Roma Aeterna?
Replies: 5
Views: 4390

Re: Help with Roma Aeterna?

Not that I am aware of? I think some of the issues with Orberg are people are expecting to read it as if it were a novel. That's because many of us came to the books after having had some Latin. If you're not struggling with the grammar; well that's something given that's what most people have troub...
by Scribo
Wed May 10, 2017 9:16 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Studia Pindarica
Replies: 1
Views: 2933

Re: Studia Pindarica

Wonderful find. That and Leslie Kurke's book Traffic in Praise or some such (also available online) were definitely formulative in my thinking on Pindar. Actually, given that we all have near enough the same reading lists probably the entire last generation. Excellent introductions!
by Scribo
Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Richard John Cunliffe Biography
Replies: 7
Views: 5191

Re: Richard John Cunliffe Biography

Nothing in any of the dictionaries of classicists?
by Scribo
Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:24 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hittite cookies!!!!
Replies: 2
Views: 2142

Re: Hittite cookies!!!!

Ha, I recall that a PhD student from Cambridge was doing something similar with Lin A/B , Phoenician etc but these are something else. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYTKi4BUQAAjcuN.jpg Look at that. Incredible. Looks like Babylonian creation myth, but I'm *bad* at this stuff. I know what I'm making fo...
by Scribo
Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:22 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Greek/Roman "Object of the Day"?
Replies: 6
Views: 3764

Re: Greek/Roman "Object of the Day"?

Salve scribo, That said, I'm sure we could work something out here at text-kit. I could easily generate a 12 object list, with write-up and bibliography. It could be launched via this subforum next month/2017. A 52 list would be more difficult, but I'm sure we could manage that together. Unfortunat...
by Scribo
Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:33 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Greek/Roman "Object of the Day"?
Replies: 6
Views: 3764

Re: Greek/Roman "Object of the Day"?

You might try Rogue Classicism or something like that. That said, I'm sure we could work something out here at text-kit. I could easily generate a 12 object list, with write-up and bibliography. It could be launched via this subforum next month/2017. A 52 list would be more difficult, but I'm sure w...
by Scribo
Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:17 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: How is "Liddell" pronounced?
Replies: 14
Views: 8505

Re: How is "Liddell" pronounced?

"Lidl" what an admirable way of dispelling ambiguity lol. But, yes, it certainly is pronounced thus. I suppose I should cite as my source the fact that literally everybody I've ever known speak the name uses that pronunciation, including his would be hagiographers at Christ Church. Moreover, I've a ...
by Scribo
Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:31 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Do I understand Caesura?
Replies: 10
Views: 6153

Re: Do I understand Caesura?

Potentially. The caesura on the third foot can be masculine (as post Θεά) or feminine (post μυρί') and I'm sure you can see the difference. Statistically the latter is more common. Together these make up something silly like 97/8% of caesurae in Homer and there is a small remainder in the fourth foo...