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by LSorenson
Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the Grammar-Translation method?
Replies: 101
Views: 35848

Re: What is the Grammar-Translation method?

This post has been inactive for a while. The Grammar Translation method is one of the language teaching methods that was used during the 1800's into the 1900's. It was originally called the Classical Method. It is the method used by most textbooks, instructors, universities, etc. for teaching ancien...
by LSorenson
Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Ollendorff: How are you using it?
Replies: 15
Views: 11799

Re: Greek Ollendorff: How are you using it?

The book 25 Centuries of Language Teaching by Louis Kelly, 1969, says this about Ollendorf: With the appearance of the Ollendorf grammars for Latin and Greek, the victory of Grammar Translation was complete. During the second half of the nineteenth century the grip of Grammar Translation tightened.....
by LSorenson
Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: teaching koine greek.
Replies: 7
Views: 4072

Re: teaching koine greek.

For a church class, taught from the traditional approach, I would use a book that has some sort of narrative. There are several classical grammars that take this approach: Athenaze, JACT series, Reading with Thrasymachus, et. al. Using a reading approach, rather than studying different grammatical c...
by LSorenson
Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ
Replies: 8
Views: 3770

Re: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ

ὀρθὸς εἴκασας, Σκριβώ, ἀλλ' οὐκ ὀρθῶς τοὺς νόμους ἐκόμισας.
ἔδει τὴν σὴν ἀπόκρισιν εἶναι
τίς ἐστιν He-Man
κλητὸς Ἀδαμ ὁ ἀρχηγός
by LSorenson
Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ
Replies: 8
Views: 3770

Re: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ

οὐχί. οὐκ ἔστιν ΜΟΝΟΣ ΕΙΜΙ ΟΙΚΟΙ

οἱ φιλτατοι ἐκυρίευσαν τοὺς κόσμους·
τίγρις δειλὸς ὁ ἑταῖρος αὐτῷ·
τῇ ἀδελφῇ ἦν καὶ μαχαῖρα καὶ κορυφή.
καὶ λάβων μάχαιραν, τούτοις λόγοις
'Δυναμει Γλαυκολίθου ἐξουσιάζω!'
by LSorenson
Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ
Replies: 8
Views: 3770

Re: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ

οὐχί. ἦν κωμικὸν εἰς παιδάρια
by LSorenson
Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ
Replies: 8
Views: 3770

Jeopardy - παῖζε μετ' ἐμοῦ

Κατηγρορία· κινήματα κωμικά
τίς λέγει 'ἐξουσιάζω';
by LSorenson
Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:16 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ
Replies: 5
Views: 4801

Re: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ

Here is a note I got from a long-time now retired classics professor.... Louis, I've always been loath to respond to these versions of songs and hymns that you clearly find very enjoyable and useful, while I can't help but be rather skeptical and dubious about it. I do think that I recognized the Jo...
by LSorenson
Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ
Replies: 5
Views: 4801

Re: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ

The song is ambiguous: It burns, burns, burns, the ring of fire. = it causes pain / it hurts = it burns (me) = it is a live burning fire, and keeps on going. I did not think I could get the idea of burn=pain without using the middle. I thought of some other lines. These were other choices for the la...
by LSorenson
Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:07 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ
Replies: 5
Views: 4801

Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ

ἔρως περικαής ὤν ποιεῖ κύκλον πυρός· ἡδοναῖς χαριζόμενος ἔπεσον εἰς κύκλον πυρός. ἔμπιπτον εἰς πύρινον κύκλον κάτω καταδύνων ἦγον φλόγας ἀνωτέρω καύσεται καύσεται ὁ κύκλος πυρός ὁ κύκλος πυρός τὸ ἐρᾶσθαι ὡς ἡδύ συμπλεξάντων ἀλλήλοις· ὡς παῖς συνηψάμην σοῖ κατεφλέχθην δὲ δεινῷ πυρί http://www.youtube...
by LSorenson
Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do modern greeks learn ancient greek
Replies: 17
Views: 15910

Re: how do modern greeks learn ancient greek

Nicholas Adamou, on the B-Greek site, gave an extensive account of how he studied modern Greek and then Ancient Greek in the 1950's or 1960's. His story can be found at the topic "Learning Greek Experience as a Native Greek" http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1117&p=5396&hilit=...
by LSorenson
Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaeus 8, 45 (pun intended)
Replies: 4
Views: 2249

Re: Athenaeus 8, 45 (pun intended)

This isn't a city, it's a pity.
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:58 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Dobson vs. Hale
Replies: 3
Views: 3632

Re: Dobson vs. Hale

Have you seen Funk's A Beginning-Intermediate Grammar of Hellenistic Greek on the B-Greek site? It's very detailed and complete. Not as heavy-handed as Blass-Debrunner-Funk, and with plenty of examples. It can be found at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... pre-alpha/
by LSorenson
Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Comenius - Greek
Replies: 12
Views: 8171

Re: Comenius - Greek

I've put together a complete PDF of the entire book. It can be found at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/comenius
by LSorenson
Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?
Replies: 12
Views: 71133

Re: Best Online Dictionary for Ancient Greek?

Go to the University of Chicago LSJ lexicon. It has a search page which lets you search in either Greek or English, and find words starting with a specific pattern, ending in a specific pattern, ktl. You can also click on the link in the returned entry for any word which is titled A Greek-English Le...
by LSorenson
Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Questions in Koine Greek
Replies: 5
Views: 4271

Re: Questions in Koine Greek

First, Questions are in the indicative mood, not the imperative, subjunctive or optative. Second, sometimes, not always, there are question words in the sentence like τίς, τί, πῶς, ποῦ, ποῖ, ..... Τhird, sometimes the word ἆρα (with the circumflex accent, not the word ἄρα) either starts the sentence...
by LSorenson
Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:56 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Are these 'claims' about Koine Greek correct?
Replies: 25
Views: 18647

Re: Are these 'claims' about Koine Greek correct?

You can download Robinson in a MS Word format from http://www.letsreadgreek.org/resources . An html version of it (in an entire file) can be found at http://www.letsreadgreek.org/resources/robertsongrammar/wordcleaner/robertson_greekgrammar.html This path will change some time in the future, but it ...
by LSorenson
Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:46 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8143

Re: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)

Pages 52-66 are now translated (up through section §60.) If you find any errors let me know. The Fraktur / German needs to be entered for sections 2-30 (pp. 22-34). If anyone wants to type that up, It would be appreciated. Thanks again Carl for your effort.
by LSorenson
Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:59 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: trouble with ἂν
Replies: 18
Views: 16023

Re: trouble with ἂν

Markos wrote: One line of the song is ἢ ἂν μένω ἢ ἂν βάλλω; "Should I stay or should I throw?" Modus.Irrealis is having trouble giving the word ἄν a direct gloss. Can ἄν really have this meaning of "should"? That is, be equivalent to δεῖ με... But even if it is possible, they should be optatives. Or...
by LSorenson
Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8143

Re: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)

Sections 40-50 are now translated into English and available. You can find them at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/phrasebook/
by LSorenson
Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning ancient Greek by Speaking and Hearing.
Replies: 11
Views: 17439

Learning ancient Greek by Speaking and Hearing.

Hello all, I've been an ardent proponent of learning Greek via an aural/oral methodology. It is not how I learned Greek, but I wish I had learned ancient Greek via speaking and hearing. I've been able to read the Greek New Testament with some ease, the last several years. I also read Homer, Epictetu...
by LSorenson
Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8143

Re: Sprechen Sie Attisch - Coming in English!

Thanks to the great effort of Carl W. Conrad Ph.D., the translation of Sprechen Sie Attisch is progressing. You can find the latest version at http://www.letsreadgreek.com/phrasebook/ . Pages 20-51 are now translated. I've added a field for the Fraktur German text so that also will be digitized. If ...
by LSorenson
Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8143

Re: Translate Sprechen Sie Attisch into English?

Hello all, I just wanted to drop a note to everyone about the Greek Phrase book Sprechen Sie Attisch: Moderne Konversation in altgriechischer Umgansprache nach den besten attischen Autoren. By E. Joannides (Eduard Johnson). 2nd Edition, Dresden und Leipzig, 1902. Publisher: C.A. KochsVerlagsbuchhand...
by LSorenson
Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)
Replies: 17
Views: 8143

Greek-English Phrasebook (Sprechen Sie Attisch)

Hello all, I would like to get the book Sprechen Sie Attisch, by E. Joannides, 1902 (latest edition 1922), translated into English and put it into the public domain. Perhaps someone out there who knows German well (mine is very rusty) would be willing to partner over the coming year to translate thi...
by LSorenson
Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:53 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ΩΔΗ ΚΑΙΝΗ
Replies: 0
Views: 1578

ΩΔΗ ΚΑΙΝΗ

χαιρετε παντες, δυνατον εστιν υμιν τον τιτλον ταυτης της ωδης τα τε ονοματα των αοιδων εικαζειν; προθηκα σοι ψωμια..... . . . 1. δυο ανθρωποι - ΧΘ και ΜΡ 2. ονομα ενος ομοιον εστιν τῳ Χριστῳ 3. αυτη η ωδη εστιν καινη 4. τί εστιν τὸ Πασχα του ,βιʹ 5. ὃ ευρισκεις εντος ωδης εστιν. φαθι μοι, Ελληνιστί,...
by LSorenson
Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Supplementing JACT
Replies: 3
Views: 1609

Re: Supplementing JACT

Amy, I had about 3 years of Koine (later New Testament and 1st Century common Greek) before I read Homer. Homer was the first non-New Testament Greek I read. I had an old professor for Homer who had excavated the Mycenae site. He smoked a pipe in class - cherry tobacco. (It was the early 1980's). Ho...
by LSorenson
Sat May 08, 2010 2:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ΔΗΛΩΣ ΝΥΝ ΟΡΩ ... (Song)
Replies: 0
Views: 824

ΔΗΛΩΣ ΝΥΝ ΟΡΩ ... (Song)

δυνατὸν εστι τινι τουτου μελισματος τοὔνομά τε καὶ ἀοιδὸν εἰκάζειν; (Is it possible for anyone to guess the name and bard of this song?) δήλως νῦν ὁρῶ· ἡ γὰρ βροχὴ ἄπεστι ὁρῶ δὲ πᾶν πρός μοι ἐμπόδιον ἀποίχεται ἡ τυφλῶσα με (κυανέη) νεφέλη. μέλλει δ' εὐαυγὴν εὐλαμπρὰν τὴνδ' ἡμέραν ἔσεσθαι. μέλλει δ' ...
by LSorenson
Tue May 04, 2010 10:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: apposition
Replies: 4
Views: 2506

Re: apposition

ἐκεῖνος agrees with ὁ δὲ παράκλητος. Consider the noun πνεῦμα and it's relative clause in apposition to παρακλητος. The gender of two nouns πνευμα and παρακλητος are set - they can not be changed. So when one noun stands in apposition, is does not have to agree in gender. Τhe same holds true for pre...
by LSorenson
Sat May 01, 2010 2:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: koine text with English order of cases
Replies: 2
Views: 1133

Re: koine text with English order of cases

The abl(ative) is the same as the genitive in Greek. Older books sometimes have 8 cases, the Genitive-Ablative being the same form and the Dative-Instrumental-Locative a single form (with three listings). AT Robertson's Grammar used this approach. Nominative Ablative Genitive Dative Instrumental Loc...
by LSorenson
Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: All the Greek Verbs book: Worth getting for learners?
Replies: 4
Views: 3574

Re: All the Greek Verbs book: Worth getting for learners?

Randall Buth (BiblicalUlpan.org) is coming out with one very soon. I have seen a preview. It is one of the most complete.
by LSorenson
Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)
Replies: 4
Views: 1385

Re: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)

υποθηκα την ηχωγραφην· alhthsegghqhn.mp3 http://letsreadgreek.com/songs/unnamed/ ... nnhqnh.mp3
by LSorenson
Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)
Replies: 4
Views: 1385

Re: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)

ψυχιον β' κᾰρῠ-ϊνος, η, ον, A of nuts, ἔλαιον Gal.11.871; κ. Χρῶμα nutbrown, Thphr.Sens.78; cf. καρόϊνος. II made of walnut-wood, σανίδες IG11(2).203B100 (Delos, iii B. C.); ῥάβδος LXXGe.30.37, cf. Je.1.11. III καρυΐνη, ἡ, narrow jar, Gp.13.7.2. IV Καρύϊνος οἶνος, v. κάροινον. ἀμυγδᾰλ-η, ἡ, A almond...
by LSorenson
Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Advice on Greek Composition?
Replies: 4
Views: 6069

Re: Advice on Greek Composition?

Attic, Hellenistic (Later Greek 300 B.C-300 A.D.) or Homeric? How do you know which words to use. This is the dilemma that is thrust upon those who read from wide periods of literature, who learned NT Greek first or Homeric first. Some simple things to remember. All Greek prose composition books are...
by LSorenson
Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Advice on Greek Composition?
Replies: 4
Views: 6069

Re: Advice on Greek Composition?

You probably want one with a key. The two best known are North-Hillard Greek Prose Composition, which starts with simple sentences which are organized according to structure. Sidgewick's "A First Greek Writer" has many lengthy explanations and examples. But the composition is in paragraph format (wh...
by LSorenson
Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)
Replies: 4
Views: 1385

Re: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)

χαιρε, το μελισμα ουκ εμον· εστιν γνωστον υπο πολλων. αλλα δωσω σοι ψυχια τινα. . . . .ψυχιον.....ψυχιον...... 1. τί ἦσαν Ἀγαμέμνων καὶ Μενέλαος; 2. οἱ καρύϊνοι 3. τοῦνονα τοις ην ομοιον τῷ λογοις "Πας Ανηρ Αδελφοι" 4. ΔΑ & ΓΑ. δα γα. ΔΑ ΓΑ. Δα Γα. 5. ΔΑ απεθανεν και τον επερχομενον ετος ανηρ ετερος...
by LSorenson
Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a hair-splitting question about deponents?
Replies: 2
Views: 1413

Re: a hair-splitting question about deponents?

You can find a very good description of what deponents (bad bad bad bad term) are about. Quoting from http://grklinguist.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/carl-conrads-understanding-ancient-greek-voice/ . There is a thread there about the articles below. If you are interested in the topic of Voice and the pr...
by LSorenson
Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)
Replies: 4
Views: 1385

ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην (Song)

Ονομαζε τουτον μελισμα. Anyone able to name this one? νὴ τὸν Δία, ἀλήτης δ' ἐγεννήθην, πειρῶν τε βιοῦσθαι ἄγων τε ἃ ἐσθλός ἀν δύναμαι. Ἀλλ' ὅταν ἔλθῃ ὁ τοῦ ὑπάγειν καιρός, ἐλπίζω ὅτι συνήσεις· ἀλήτης γὰρ δὴ ἐγεννήθην. ὁ δὲ πατὴρ μου κατακυβεὺς ὕπηρξεν. κατεναντίον ὄπλου τινος αὖ κατέστραπτο. ἐγώγε γ...
by LSorenson
Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: where can one find some Greek songs ?
Replies: 5
Views: 2212

Re: where can one find some Greek songs ?

Here's another one εἰσέρχῃ αὖ εἰς τὸν συμπόσιον ὡσεὶ ἐπὶ νῆά τινα ναύκληρος. πέτασος τέ σοι ὄμμα κατακλίνουσα· ταινία τέ σοι ἦν ὡς μάλα ξανθή. ὄμμα ἓν εἶχες σὺ πρὸς κάτοπτρον θεωρῶν σαυτὸν κῶλα ἀμπάλλειν. πάντα κορασία γ' ἤλπιζόν σοι ἑταίρα, καὶ ὡς ὑπερφανὴς εἶ· ὥστ' οἴῃ μέλισμα τοῦτό προσήκειν σοί....
by LSorenson
Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Quest for an English to Greek lexicon
Replies: 3
Views: 1484

Re: Quest for an English to Greek lexicon

More complete yet is doing a reverse lookup on LSJ. Go to http://perseus.uchicago.edu/Reference/LSJ.html Then in the lower box under "Search the full text for" enter the term you want. I use this all the time -- but you have to hunt through all the entries. It does bring back each word you want to f...
by LSorenson
Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ονομαζε τουτο το μελισμα· (Song)
Replies: 2
Views: 1000

Re: Ονομαζε τουτο το μελισμα·

OK, this is a game. So here are the hints --- but you'll have to read them in Greek. χαιρετε, εγραψα εἰ τις δυνατος ἠν τοῦνομα τουδε νεου μελισματος εικαζειν και τοὺς αἰοίδους (εισιν τεσσαρες); οὐ παλαι ᾖσαν τουτ' εν ταις Σποράδων νησαις. αρα υπειπων δυο ψιχια εδωκα· 1) εἶσιν τεσσαρες αοιδοι 2) εν τ...