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by Swth\r
Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: a posteriori, a priori...?
Replies: 1
Views: 1353

a posteriori, a priori...?

Hello everybody!
One really short question about the expressions "a posteriori, a priori". I am pretty sure that the ablative of "posterior" and "prior" ends in -e. Nevertheless, the expression is with the adjective in -i. How is that?
Thanks in advance!
by Swth\r
Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:45 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: loco cedere alicui
Replies: 10
Views: 3378

Re: loco cedere alicui

To my way of thinking, only transitive verbs—verbs that can have direct objects—can have indirect objects. I've never understood why some grammar books (A&G appears to be one) want to allow intransitive verbs to have indirect objects. When there are so many labels to put on datives, many of them ma...
by Swth\r
Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: loco cedere alicui
Replies: 10
Views: 3378

Re: loco cedere alicui

Gratias tibi, Seneca2008! To tell you the truth I' ve already read from Lewis & Short Lexicon. Someone told me that the ablative is (or functions as) a DIRECT object, while the dative is the indirect. But there are no means by which I can understand this... What I needed was anykind of verification,...
by Swth\r
Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:10 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: loco cedere alicui
Replies: 10
Views: 3378

Re: loco cedere alicui

Thank you for replying, Hylander! I know what case is each argument. My question is whether can any of these arguments (ablative-dative) be read as "objects" (obviously "indirect objects") or not. Here is a passage (From Valerius Maximus. Facta et Dicta Memorabilia): At Caecilia Metelli, dum sororis...
by Swth\r
Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: loco cedere alicui
Replies: 10
Views: 3378

loco cedere alicui

Could it be that there is any object in this construction? As I understand it, litterally reading, it says " to withdraw from a place in favor of someone " and thus " to give place to someone " So, I read an ablative proper and a dative of interest denoting the person in advantage of which something...
by Swth\r
Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: semantics of genitive case with inopia?
Replies: 1
Views: 1493

semantics of genitive case with inopia?

inopia militum, inopia pecuniae, inopia frumenti, inopia aquae etc. etc.

The genitive-supplement of the noun inopia is subjective or objective in sense? Or perhaps something else...?

Thnx!
by Swth\r
Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Re: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

There was a recent discussion of another instance where Ernout/Thomas seemed to take a position at odds with other works on Latin syntax regarding tenses in indirect discourse. See my post of Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:02 pm in this thread: http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=59907...
by Swth\r
Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:23 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: pronoun se repeated or not?
Replies: 3
Views: 1963

Re: pronoun se repeated or not?

I don't think it wrong to say "dixit se putare se tristem esse" but maybe "dixit sese putare tristem" is better. Nescio cur non sed forsit melius sit hoc: "dixit sese putare tristem" Thanks for answering Adriane! Nevermind with the paradigm at hand. The general use is under examination, not any spe...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Re: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

Up... Up...

No help yet... :roll:
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: pronoun se repeated or not?
Replies: 3
Views: 1963

pronoun se repeated or not?

The question is simple: When the subject accusative of an infinitive is the reflexive pronoun, does it have to be doubled (tripled etc) in embedded structures with verba dicendi et sentienti (or in general)? E.g. 1. Tristis sum 2. Dixit [se tristem esse] 3. Illa dixit [eum dixisse [se tristem esse]]...
by Swth\r
Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes software!!!
Replies: 27
Views: 26899

Re: Diogenes software!!!

pster wrote:So what exactly makes it better than Perseus? Perseus with two monitors is pretty strong.
Nothing more than accessing and managing texts without internet connexion
by Swth\r
Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Re: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

I have access to that LEUMANN-HOFMANN-SZANTYR, and that's what I've found: 1: http://i50.tinypic.com/14jylfn.jpg 2: http://i45.tinypic.com/eai5wl.jpg 3: http://i45.tinypic.com/10ncfwm.jpg 4: http://i47.tinypic.com/1elxrc.jpg I'm really interested in this, so I'd thank you if you could post what thi...
by Swth\r
Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Re: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

I have access to that LEUMANN-HOFMANN-SZANTYR, and that's what I've found: 1: http://i50.tinypic.com/14jylfn.jpg 2: http://i45.tinypic.com/eai5wl.jpg 3: http://i45.tinypic.com/10ncfwm.jpg 4: http://i47.tinypic.com/1elxrc.jpg I'm really interested in this, so I'd thank you if you could post what thi...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes software!!!
Replies: 27
Views: 26899

Re: Diogenes software!!!

1) Can I get Thucydides for free? No. 2) Does LSJ and Middle Liddell come with it? Yes, LSL comes with it, but not Middle Liddell. It comes also the Lewis-Short Latin Dictionary, and The Websters English Dictionary 3) When I click on a word for a definition, what happens? It shows the lexical entry...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes software!!!
Replies: 27
Views: 26899

Re: Diogenes software!!!

What is the benefit of using Diogenes over Perseus? Speed? Yes. You can also use it without any access to the internet required. WHAT!?!?! Amazing, I mean I have access to TLG for free anyway so this is just icing on the cake, really. Υes, but you must at first get to possess the TLG data, which is...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes software!!!
Replies: 27
Views: 26899

Re: Diogenes software!!!

refe wrote:What is the benefit of using Diogenes over Perseus? Speed?
Yes. You can also use it without any access to the internet required.
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Re: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

Continuing from previous post... 4. Charles E. Benett, “New Latin Grammar”, § 270 270. 1. The tenses of the Infinitive denote time not absolutely, but with reference to the verb on which they depend. Thus:— [...] b) The Perfect Infinitive represents an act as prior to the time of the verb on which ...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 9
Views: 4235

Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

Dear friends, it' s been a lot of time since my last contribution to our lovely fellowship... At first I would like to apologize to all of you for my very long text, and I hope that I do not violate any of forum's rules. My request, as I feel, will be of interest perhaps of a minority of fellows, qu...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 0
Views: 914

Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

Dear friends, it' s been a lot of time since my last contribution to our lovely fellowship... At first I would like to apologize to all of you for my very long text, and I hope that I do not violate any of forum's rules. My request, as I feel, will be of interest perhaps of a minority of fellows, qu...
by Swth\r
Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:03 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule
Replies: 0
Views: 954

Help in a contradiction about Indirect discourse rule

Dear friends, it' s been a lot of time since my last contribution to our lovely fellowship... At first I would like to apologize to all of you for my very long text, and I hope that I do not violate any of forum's rules. My request, as I feel, will be of interest perhaps of a minority of fellows, qu...
by Swth\r
Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Percontatio de oratione obliqua...
Replies: 2
Views: 957

Re: Percontatio de oratione obliqua...

Gratias tibi, Adriane.
by Swth\r
Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Percontatio de oratione obliqua...
Replies: 2
Views: 957

Percontatio de oratione obliqua...

In indirect discourse the pronoun "sui, sibi, se" is in use when the speaker (in 3rd person) and the person included in the speach is the same. E.g.: Melius patriae consulam. Ille dixit se melius patriae consulturum esse. Or, Me bonum esse non putas. Dixit se bonum esse illum non putare. Ok, as far ...
by Swth\r
Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 1114b Arist. NE
Replies: 2
Views: 1099

Re: 1114b Arist. NE

καὶ γὰρ τῶν ἕξεων συναίτιοί πως αὐτοί ἐσμεν, καὶ τῷ ποιοί τινες εἶναι τὸ τέλος τοιόνδε τιθέμεθα In the second half of this sentence, τῷ ποιοί τινες εἶναι τὸ τέλος τοιόνδε τιθέμεθα, the subject is in the verb τιθέμεθα 1st.pl.mp.,and τῷ means those our characters, τοιόνδε is the object for τιθέμεθα, ...
by Swth\r
Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pl. Ap. 26a1-3
Replies: 5
Views: 1410

Re: Pl. Ap. 26a1-3

εἰ δὲ ἄκων διαφθείρω, τῶν τοιούτων [καὶ ἀκουσίων] ἁμαρτημάτων οὐ δεῦρο νόμος εἰσάγειν ἐστίν, ἀλλὰ ἰδίᾳ λαβόντα διδάσκειν καὶ νουθετεῖν. Is the subject of the infinitives and participle impersonal? The law is that one not bring (a person/people) in here for such errors, but teach and admonish by tak...
by Swth\r
Fri May 14, 2010 2:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: interrogative enclitic -ne...
Replies: 6
Views: 1959

interrogative enclitic -ne...

In double questions the enclitic particle -ne is used instead of "utrum". So, say we have the following example:

Utrum hodie mavis abire an cras?

Which sentence is correct (or more proper) if using -ne?

Hodiene mavis abire an cras?

or

Mavisne hodie abire an cras?

Or what else?

Thanks!
by Swth\r
Mon May 10, 2010 9:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Which grammar...?
Replies: 2
Views: 1189

Which grammar...?

After reading many books in Greek on Latin grammar, I would like to go further and read something in English. I have in mind some of the following, and any thought, advice of short review would be very helpful. Thanks in advance! Wheelock's Allen & Greenbough (Which of two?) Wookdcock' s (syntax) PS...
by Swth\r
Mon May 03, 2010 11:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom
Replies: 38
Views: 13407

Re: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom

The problem aesthetically is that moden Greek and "Classical" pronounciation have a huge impact on the "acoustic image" of the language. Most of the times you may think that the difference is so vast that two different languages are spoken... The pronounviation with prosody is of course much more us...
by Swth\r
Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pl. Ap. 18c8
Replies: 8
Views: 2453

Re: Pl. Ap. 18c8

Dear NateD26,
I did not object the translation. It is of course the same meaning. I just said that you do no need to insert the pronoun τοῦτο at all, because here ὅ works the same way. If you add τοῦτο, what syntactic function do you appoint then to ὅ pronoun?
by Swth\r
Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pl. Ap. 18c8
Replies: 8
Views: 2453

Re: Pl. Ap. 18c8

You have to consider the pronoun ὅ here more as demonstrative rather than relative in meaning: ὅ = τοῦτο (so this is the subject and δεινότατον the predicate). Consequently the meaning is indeed "and the following thing is the most unreasonable of all things, the fact that...". In this sense ὅτι "re...
by Swth\r
Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom
Replies: 38
Views: 13407

Re: Offended by modern phonology in Ancient Greek classroom

At first some questions as a quick reply. When somenone reads Shakespeare, does (s)he have to pronounce the text the way Shakespeare spoke? And what about Homer? Does anyone have to read in a different way than when (s)he reads classic Attic? And what about Doric, Aeolic forms? An -A- in Sparta or i...
by Swth\r
Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: orior...?
Replies: 2
Views: 1297

Re: orior...?

Gratiam tibi ago, vir litterarum.
by Swth\r
Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Symp. 173c
Replies: 3
Views: 1170

Re: Plato Symp. 173c

Note also that the conjunction is "τε... τε", not "τε...καί". That is why you do not see any καί... :wink:
by Swth\r
Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: orior...?
Replies: 2
Views: 1297

orior...?

According to Lewis&Short's lemma for "orior": ŏrĭor, ortus, fut. part. oriturus, 4 (but with some forms of the 3d conj.: orĭtur, Enn. ap. Fest. p. 305 Müll.; Gell. 4, 17, 14; cf. Cic. Ac. 2, 28, 89; Ter. Hec. 2, 1, 26; Lucr. 3, 272; Verg. A. 2, 411; 680; Hor. S. 1, 5, 39; Ov. M. 1, 774 et saep.: ore...
by Swth\r
Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I wasted too much time.
Replies: 7
Views: 2640

Re: I wasted too much time.

gigas phoberos wrote:I [...] switched to Latin because there's more literature and history in Latin. [...]
Who says that? :D Wellcome back!
by Swth\r
Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Agent noun form of the verb apokalypto/αποκαλύπτω
Replies: 10
Views: 4648

Re: Agent noun form of the verb apokalypto/αποκαλύπτω

I would say ἀποκαλυπτήριον (= apokalypterion, with a prolonged -e-) is the proper one... The suffix -τήριον, denotes the instrument on the means of an action. In modern Greek there are so many words in -τήρι showing the thing that helps someone to do something, as the instrument, e.g.: κλαδευ-τήρι (...
by Swth\r
Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Κεράννυμι-κέρας?
Replies: 7
Views: 2602

Re: Κεράννυμι-κέρας?

I thought a connection was very possible, but didn't have any resources to check if it had been considered. But formally there's a match as the root of both seems to be keras- with an -s-, and semantically they are not unrelated. I mean, it's possible that mixing wine and water, for example, was do...
by Swth\r
Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Κεράννυμι-κέρας?
Replies: 7
Views: 2602

Re: Κεράννυμι-κέρας?

Yes, there is always a chance. Etymology is more of an art than an exact science. Make an argument, and you will have established that there is a chance that these two words are related. Even if not "related" you can always say "akin to" or "compare." I'm not sure I agree with you here.... Historic...
by Swth\r
Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Κεράννυμι-κέρας?
Replies: 7
Views: 2602

Κεράννυμι-κέρας?

Is there any chance that those two words are somehow cognates? :shock:
by Swth\r
Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ABSOLUTUS ABLATIVUS...? OR NOT...?
Replies: 8
Views: 1992

Re: ABSOLUTUS ABLATIVUS...? OR NOT...?

thesaurus wrote:Like my ablatives, I prefer my grammatical rules absolutist, so I'm going to pretend I didn't see this information.

Ut verba ablativa, sic regulae grammaticae absolutae esse mihi placet. Itaque hoc non esse fingo.
Fictio ista, Thesaure, mihi quoque multum placet... Regulas enim amo.