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by Junya
Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

Thank you very much, mwh. :) I greatly appreciate your kindness. I need the big LSJ (because I'm translating Greek texts), and, having gone through much suffering, I'm already used to that intimidating dictionary. Although I'm still on the beginners' level, I'm partly developed above that level. I'v...
by Junya
Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:10 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

mwh, I'm glad you showed me how you do. :D By root verb I mean the original verb of a compound verb, as lambano^ of katalambano^, temno^ of prosapotemno^. ------------ In this light, could you read my previous post again ? (I quoted it at the bottom of this post for your convenience.) I seem to be u...
by Junya
Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:19 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

mwh, thank you for keeping company with me. I have a copy of Smyth, but have never used it for checking paradigms, I just use it when I come across some syntactical problem. Yes, I will use it from now on for paradigms. But, back to the original case, I wasn't sure if katante^santes was a form of ka...
by Junya
Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

mwh, thank you for the tips. :) I wanted such advices. Thank you very much. I'm learning on my own, so I'm curious about how others of orthodox education do. The grammar I use for checking declension/conjugation tables doesn't give the tenses other than pres. and impf. for the contracted verbs -ao^,...
by Junya
Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

Hi, Victor. :) I thought the word was a compound of anti + some root verb, which I couldn't trace in the Largest and the Intermediate, and the listed forms of verbs in the Intermediate are usually of root verbs, so I didn't check ante^sa. Anyways, the laziness in consulting dictionaries seems to be ...
by Junya
Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

Re: katante^santes

Thank you ! :D In the article for antao^ in the largest Liddell&Scott, the forms were listed few, and aor. was not there. There were a few forms listed in the Intermediate Liddell&Scott, and there I could see aor.1 anta^sa, but no further information about aor. forms. How ought I to have looked up t...
by Junya
Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: katante^santes
Replies: 13
Views: 4256

katante^santes

hi. :) what is the dictionary form (finite present indicative singular) of katante^santes ? I think it is the aorist participle of katantao^, but what is its root verb ? kata + anti + what ? In the intermediate Liddell&Scott, I could find, in the antao^ article, that aor.1 was anta^sa, but I couldnt...
by Junya
Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:21 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: meaning and usage of primus
Replies: 12
Views: 6373

Re: meaning and usage of primus

Hi, MSF. :) ****** I think you are meaning 'similem' indicates 'a similar one to Mary'. (Mary is the subject of 'visa est habere', so 'similem' should be other than Mary.) And you mean this 'similem' is the substantive use of the adjective. And 'primam' is modifying the substantive. ****** I threw t...
by Junya
Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Thank you Victor. As to the utility of baldi and cuzzolin's, as a whole or just that 200-pages-chapter by gerd haverling you recommend, are they profitable for a person who is not a student or scholar of linguistics, but is only interested in improving the translating skill ? Does reading of them he...
by Junya
Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:06 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Damoetas thank you.:D Im starting to read Pinkster's monographs in Perseus. Though I said above Google books and Google Play are inconvenient in my environment, Google Play is ok. But I cant fully use Google books, since most of the books you would point to for me would be closed in my location. (Ye...
by Junya
Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:33 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

mwh, I have a friend on the internet who was a librarian. I try asking her about that service. Bedwere, the book you recommend is written in Latin, by an Italian. Im not sure I can easily read it without much consulting of dictionary. At the present level of my learning skill, I dont like consulting...
by Junya
Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:19 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Im not sure if I can ask you here about that library service,
but if it is ok, could you inform me more about that ?
`Online` means you can, after subscription, see online the facsimili of the books ?
Might I feel myself unqualified and be embarrassed asking libraries for such a scholarly service?
by Junya
Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:34 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Thank you, mwh, Qimmik :D I try the Weiss' book. Baldi and Cuzzolin's are, though theirs are concentrated on the syntax and so I eagerly want to have a look into them, too expensive for me now. But definitely I will get all their volumes in the future, I think, when I have more money. There would be...
by Junya
Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

Re: recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Hi Adrianus :D I own both. But E.C.Woodcock's book is a lot different from them. Its layout is not like an ordinary grammar (the kind of Allen&Greenough's and Gildersleeve&Lodge's.) Its layout is like ordinary books, like novels or essays, with long paragraphs filling the page. And it explains the s...
by Junya
Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:31 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: recommend some very detailed grammars to me
Replies: 15
Views: 5802

recommend some very detailed grammars to me

Hi. :D I like to read grammar. Recently I realized it once again. So I began feeling like reading more grammar books daily. I have one book, E.C.Woodcock's New Latin Syntax. I like it very much because it gives a lot of lengthy explanations, taking pages for each syntactical topic, not just listing ...
by Junya
Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:55 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: about ipse
Replies: 2
Views: 1606

Re: about ipse

Hi Qimmik. :) 298. d. would be what you want me to see. But in the samples, ipse s are all referring to persons. So I'm still unsure if ipse can be a pronoun of a thing. I can see examples like nunc ipsum in that page, though. And there were no sample of the usage with prepositions. So I'm unsure. T...
by Junya
Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:05 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: about ipse
Replies: 2
Views: 1606

about ipse

Hi. I want to know something about the usage of ipse . Can ipse refer to a thing (not a person), as a demonstrative pronoun, not as an adjective attached to a noun ; and even in oblique cases, or as the object of prepositions ? I couldn't find such sample in Lewis & Short. In it there were only a fe...
by Junya
Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: subj. of the aor. of aireo^
Replies: 2
Views: 1917

Re: subj. of the aor. of aireo^

Thank you Qimmik :D
by Junya
Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: subj. of the aor. of aireo^
Replies: 2
Views: 1917

subj. of the aor. of aireo^

Aor. of haireo^ is eila or eilon.
I'm not sure about its Subj. forms.
elo^metha ?
Teach me please the principle of how to make Subj. and Opt. from the Indic. Aor. form with initial double vowel like eilon.
by Junya
Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Interaxus, reading that journal article is interesting. Thak you very much ! :D That tells me how the scholars about grammar study grammar, and I can get an inside-knowledge of this field, like how they make grammar. It is the first time I've read such a thesis or essay. I started learning Latin and...
by Junya
Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:19 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Thank you for replying, Interaxus ! :D Sorry for responding this late, I was watching the Sochi Olympic women's figure skate late at night and couldn't study yesterday. 2. The journal you introduced to us is interesting. That'll answer my question. I will read it later. 1. Interaxus wrote : As regar...
by Junya
Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

I tried composing Japanese version of Unreal Conditional sentences, and I thought I found these things. 1. In Oratio Obliqua of Unreal Conditional, the Inf. seems to be related to the main verb of the sentence in tense, rather than to the si clause. Because, when I was translating the O.O. of Japane...
by Junya
Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:32 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Think of examples in your own language of Oratio Obliqua, or Unreal Conditional Sentence, or any grammatical structure listed in Latin grammar, then you'll notice some similarity in the use of, for example, tenses between your language and Latin. So, while just reading Latin grammar book often gives...
by Junya
Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi Qimmik :) Hi Interaxus :) Hi Adrianus :) Qimmik wrote : I think you need to keep in mind the fact that the "rules" are simply generalizations extracted by scholars (to a large extent very diligent German scholars in the mid-19th century to whom we owe a great debt of gratitude) by considering as ...
by Junya
Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

:D Adrianus wrote : Dico te, si id crederes, erraturum esse. I maintain that, if you believed that [at this present moment] you would be wrong [in that false scenario suggested by a past subjunctive tense in connection with a condition that has passed, because at this present moment you don't believ...
by Junya
Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi Interaxus and Qimmik. :) Interaxus and Qimmik say one would almost never encounter this syntactical difficulty in reading actual texts, so I feel I am advised to leave off thinking about this matter as it is only a trifling matter, and now I hesitate to post further questions about this problem. ...
by Junya
Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:44 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Then I will accept, too. But I can't halp thinking where I cannot understand. About these patterns of rendering Unreal Conditiional Sentences into Oratio Obliqua, A. Dico (dixit), te, si id crederes, erraturum esse. B. Dico (dixi), te, si id credidisses, erraturum fuisse. A. Dico (dixi), te, si id c...
by Junya
Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:47 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Thank you Qimmik and Adrianus. My problem is gone now. Adrianus wrote : Qimmik was right to point out that "existimabant is not an indicative apodosis of an unreal condition". So it must be "most people thought..." + indirect speech [protasis + apodosis] and ..........Only "most people thought..." +...
by Junya
Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:30 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi Qimmik and Adrianus. Qimmik write : This is simply an idiomatic way of putting a past unreal condition into indirect discourse (oratio obliqua) with a passive verb, and the tenses of the individual verb forms shouldn't be analyzed individually I see. Just an idiomatic way of rendition. OK. Qimmik...
by Junya
Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi, Adrianus. :D You asnswered about existimabant , that impf. ind., rather than futurm fuisse . You understand that what is conditioned by the nisi nuntii essent allati seems to be existimabant plerique , not futurum fuisset ut oppidum amitteretur . In Gildersleeve & Lodge, Conditional Sentences, 3...
by Junya
Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:25 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Re: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi again, Qimmik. :D Thank you for answering my question you wrote : allati essent is pluperfect -- the protasis of a past unreal condition (in indirect speech/oratio obliqua). This remains the same as in direct speech. ....... ....... In direct speech, this would be Nisi nuntii allati essent, futur...
by Junya
Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)
Replies: 6
Views: 3296

Re: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)

oh, yes, I thought the printing of the letter was looking a little erased.
That was omega, not alpha, ah.
Thank you. :)
by Junya
Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)
Replies: 6
Views: 3296

Re: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)

Hi, Qimmik. Thank you for the information about the Aeolic dialect. About pemphtheisan I added in a confused state of mind, I'm sorry :oops: , I deleted it. The edition I'm seeing is in Google Play, https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=BKACAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=...
by Junya
Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua
Replies: 28
Views: 10160

Unreal Condition in Oratio Obliqua

Hi. About Gildersleeve & Lodge Abridged Sentences Oratio Obliqua section 659. Unreal Conditions in Oratio Obliqua (section number might be different among versions that are around) sample 3. Nisi eo ipso tempore nuntii de Caesaris victoria essent allati existimabant plerique futurum fuisse ut (oppid...
by Junya
Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)
Replies: 6
Views: 3296

Re: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)

Thank you, Qimmik. :) In Perseus Liddell & Scott, http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3De%29mautou%3D the form emauta^i is shown as Aeolic. I didn't notice it when seeing my LSJ, thank you, though I don't know when and where the Aeolic was used. The wri...
by Junya
Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)
Replies: 6
Views: 3296

emauta^i (fem. dat. of emautou ?)

Hi. I'm unsure about this word, emauta^i . I wonder if the fem. dat. ending -e^i should be -a^i in some district of Greece. By what index key word should I search about this form variation in Smyth ? te^n pros Anebo^ ton emon mathe^te^n pemphtheisan epistole^n emouta^i gegraphthai nomisas ------ th...
by Junya
Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: eipato^san
Replies: 5
Views: 2482

Re: eipato^san

Thank you Qimmik. :) I have the hard copies of all those, but looking into those small-lettered reference books, especially LSJ (tiny tiny lettters and no English translations for sample sentences), needs a sharp concentrantion, which is somehow harmful to my health. So I'm full with my own work and...
by Junya
Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: eipato^san
Replies: 5
Views: 2482

Re: eipato^san

Thanks for your help, Qimmik and Nate. :D :D

I'm wondering, how you're keeping enough energy to do the researches for other people, other than doing your own studies.
by Junya
Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:46 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: eipato^san
Replies: 5
Views: 2482

eipato^san

Hi. From a book in Google Play, https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=BKACAAAAMAAJ&rdid=book-BKACAAAAMAAJ&rdot=1 p.36 the third sentence ei de symboliko^s legetai tauta, to^n ekeinou dynameo^n onta symbola, te^n herme^neian to^n symbolo^n eipato^san I'm unsure about the "eipato^san". The me...
by Junya
Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: gerundive ending in -undus
Replies: 6
Views: 3277

Re: gerundive ending in -undus

I appreciate your kindness, Sebastos. :)