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by Prometheus
Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:17 am
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Interest in a Latin group?
Replies: 12
Views: 12736

Re: Interest in a Latin group?

I'd like to join one. I have the old third edition of Wheelock and some supplementary readers. I'm considering the Reading Latin and Lingua Latina approaches (but I'm probably not ready to burn too deep a whole in my pocket just yet). I've gone over Wheelock and some other introductory materials ( T...
by Prometheus
Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Silly Greek text books...
Replies: 4
Views: 3192

Re: Silly Greek text books...

One such "silly Greek textbook" is called Learn Ancient Greek: A Lively Introduction to Reading the Language, by Peter Jones (Barnes and Noble, New York 1998 ISBN 0-7607-3978-1). It sports Playboy -style black-and-white cartoons (the naked Europa, riding a bull, asks "How do I know you're Zeus?"), a...
by Prometheus
Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:14 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

The second paragraph of Nate's story: πολὺν χρόνον οὕτω διελέγοντο μέχρι καμὼν εἰσέβη ὁ στρατηγὸς εἰς τὸ χωρίον. ἀλλήλοις οὖν "σίγα," ἔφασαν· δεινὸς γὰρ ἦν καὶ ἐφοβοῦντο μὴ αὐτοῖς ὀργίζηται (or ὀργίζοιτο). δι᾿ ὀλίγου ἐβουλεύοντο τίς αὐτῶν τῷ στρατηγῷ προσχωρήσει καὶ μειλίξει αὐτόν (or ὅστις...προσχω...
by Prometheus
Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:00 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

ὅ τε πελταστὴς καὶ ὁ τοξότης διαλεγόμενοι ἐν τῷ χωρίῳ ἐκάθιζον. οὗτος ἐκείνῳ ἔλεγεν· "ἰδού· τόξον μου καλὸν καὶ ἀγαθόν ἐστιν· ἠγόρασα τοῦτο τὸ τόξον τῇ προτέρῃ (ἡμέρᾳ)." ὁ δὲ εἶπεν· "τόξον σου οὐδενὸς ἀξιῶ. ἰδοὺ γὰρ πέλτη μου καλλίων καὶ ἀμείνων ἢ τόξου σου." Let me take a stab at translating this....
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:33 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Thanks for posting your story, Nate. I'm enjoying it, but it's taking me a while to get through it. I'm moving a paragraph at a time. In the first paragraph (actually, the first sentence), I have questions about the participles διαλεγόμενοι and κάθιζον: Is διαλεγόμενοι a present, middle participle i...
by Prometheus
Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:25 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

NateD26 wrote:in this sentence though:
(4) Τισσαφέρνης διαβάλλει τὸν Κῦρον 'Tissaphernes accuses Cyrus'
(5) (Κῦρος) ἐπιβουλεύει αὐτῷ (τὸν ἁδελφὸν) 'Cyrus plots against him (his brother)'
αὐτῷ stands for τῷ ἀδελφῷ because that's the case this verb requires.
You're right! Thanks for the correction.
by Prometheus
Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:26 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Exercise: Break into Many Short, Simple Sentences (Solution ) Let me provide solutions to my own exercise from Oct. 16 about how a passage like the one from White's Lesson 14 can be broken down into simpler sentences, eliminating conjunctions like KAI and OYN and particles like MEN and δὲ to make r...
by Prometheus
Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:06 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Match the verbs (in boldface) in the reading passages from Lessons 13 and 14 with their translations: 125. The Parentage, Race, and Power of Cyrus the Younger Κῦρος, ὁ τοῦ Δαρείου υἱός, Πέρσης ἦν καλὸς καὶ ἀγαθός. σατράπην δὲ αὐτὸν ἐποίησεν ὁ Δαρεῖος τῆς Λυδίας καὶ τῆς Φρυγίας καὶ τῆς Καππαδοκίας. ...
by Prometheus
Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:42 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Break the compound verbs (in boldface) into their root verb and prefix (e.g. ἐπιβουλεύει = ἐπι + βουλεύει ). Τισσαφέρνης δέ, ὁ τῆς Καρίας σατράπης, τῷ Κύρῳ πολέμιος ἦν, τότε δὲ οὔτε ἐστράτευεν ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν οὔτε διήρπαζε _________________τὴν χώραν. Κῦρος γὰρ στρατηγὸς ἐν πολέμῳ δεινὸς ἦν, υἱὸς δὲ τοῦ Δα...
by Prometheus
Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:32 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

In the next exercise, you'll be asked to review typical masculine nouns ending in -O and plug in the right form of ἀδελφός (brother). By way of a quick review, look at this excerpt from the story of Cain and Abel in the Septuagint (Gen. 2:8-9): καὶ ἐγένετο ἐν τῷ εἶναι αὐτοὺς ἐν τῷ πεδίῳ καὶ ἀνέστη Κ...
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:31 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

(Needless to say, others are welcome to speak up and also to contribute their own exercises.) In the meantime, here's the next reading selection from White, this time from Lesson 14 (Section 134): 134. Artaxerxes becomes King and arrests Cyrus Κῦρος οὖν σατράπης ἦν τῆς Λυδίας καὶ τῆς Φρυγίας καὶ τῆς...
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:36 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Just to pause for a moment, I'd like to remind readers that there's a sort of division of labor working out, with my new-fangled reading-based exercises based on White's reading exercises and Xenophon's Anabasis on this thread in TextKit, and the actual Greek-English and English-Greek translation ex...
by Prometheus
Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2303

Re: Recent Greek Grammar?

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.

Lee
by Prometheus
Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2303

Re: Recent Greek Grammar?

If you want a grammar, there is no such thing. At least not in English.
How about in other languages?
by Prometheus
Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Recent Greek Grammar?
Replies: 7
Views: 2303

Recent Greek Grammar?

Can someone suggest a good recent work on ancient Greek grammar, preferably one intended for a linguist audience? Most of the sources I know about are from the 19th century. Thanks.

Lee
by Prometheus
Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:41 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

5 - [6] ἀναβαίνει οὖν ὁ Κῦρος λαβὼν Τισσαφέρνην ὡς φίλον, καὶ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ἔχων ὁπλίτας ἀνέβη τριακοσίους, ἄρχοντα δὲ αὐτῶν Ξενίαν Παρράσιον.

I think I should have translated ἄρχοντα as "leading" or "commanding" here, rather than "ruling".
by Prometheus
Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:33 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Thanks, Nate! (You like your Greek "well-"scrambled? I'll keep that in mind for future breakfasts! ;)) By "ruling" and "reigning" I had in mind the two words, ἄρχοντα and βασιλοντα, in the first four lines of the Anabasis . And thanks for pointing out the errors that that one of my "present particip...
by Prometheus
Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:34 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Thanks, Rindu! We may be getting a bit ahead of White on this, but I think verbal particles come up so often in this text (both the original Xenophon and White's condensed Xenophon), that this exercise may be helpful. List (copy and paste) the present participles ending in -ON (in masculine nominati...
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:11 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Here's another excerpt from Frost's Alpha primer, talking about Cyrus: Κῦρος, ὁ Δαρείου, ἀδελφὸς ἦν Αρταξέρξου τῆς Μηδίας βασιλέως· καἳ ὁ πατὴρ ἐποίησεν αὐτὸν στρατηγὸν τῶν τῆς Φρυγίας στρατιωτῶν. ἐπεὶ δὲ ἐτελεύτησεν ὁ πατήρ, ὁ Κῦρος σὺν μυρίοις 'Ελλησι καὶ δυνάμει βαρβάρων ἐστρατεύσατο ἐπὶ τὸν βασι...
by Prometheus
Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:14 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

These exercises are nice, Prometheus. Thanks for this! I'm glad to hear that you find them helpful. Your suggestions, corrections, and exercises or sentences that you (or others) come up with, are also very welcome. I haven't tried to use Hot Potatoes yet, but I suppose that should be straightforwa...
by Prometheus
Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:01 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

As a final (?) exercise on the first four lines of Xenophon, rearrange this scrambled version so that it makes sense. In doing so, you're of course drawing on your knowledge of Greek (that the conjunctions οὖν 'so' and δὲ 'and' 'but' imply that something came before) and of the world (e.g., that dyi...
by Prometheus
Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are there any new elementary Greek groups starting up?
Replies: 5
Views: 1922

Re: Are there any new elementary Greek groups starting up?

Az Yalla, Prometheus -- get in on our Athenaze group!! You can post your work on the forum!!
Love it!! Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, and English on the same line--looks like this might be the start of a new κοινή! ;)

Lee
by Prometheus
Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are there any new elementary Greek groups starting up?
Replies: 5
Views: 1922

Re: Are there any new elementary Greek groups starting up?

I would also like to suggest the thread I started on here, "Like to Start New Group?" under "First Greek Book--White", where we've posted some simple Greek readings from White's book (which Jason was kind enough to type in) and from the ancient author Xenophon. The discussion is intented to be begin...
by Prometheus
Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:58 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Just so you know, Prometheus.... Nathan and I have completed up to section 120 in FGB now. This means that in terms of both grammar and vocabulary we are ready to jump into the reading that you've posted, since it comes from the following lesson. I'll be looking over things again in this thread. I'...
by Prometheus
Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:28 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Here's another sentence gap exercise, this time concentrating on feminine articles. Review the -A declension, or first declension, of feminine nouns and their accompanying articles and adjectives in Lessons 3,4, and 6, especially noting the singular pattern η χωρα (Nominative) της χωρας (Genetitve) ...
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:52 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Another beginning Greek text from the same era as White's, the Beginner's Greek Book , by Allen Rogers Benner and Herbert Weir Smyth (1906), contains a 14-page section of somewhat simplified "Selections from the Anabasis ", beginning with a summary in English: http://books.google.com/books?id=Mo8XAA...
by Prometheus
Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:29 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Here's another passage from William Goodell Frost's Alpha: A Greek Primer Introductory to Xenophon , 2nd ed., 1891, (pp. 56-57), which summarizes the facts of the Anabasis and the lives of Cyrus and Xenophon in four paragraphs: http://books.google.com/books?id=uBABAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA56#v=onepage&q=&f=fal...
by Prometheus
Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:55 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Here's an excerpt from one of those 19th century textbooks, Frost's Alpha , in which a sadistic teacher (ΔΙΔΑΣΚΑΛΟΣ) interrogates his unfortunate pupil (ΜΑΘΗΤΗΣ) about Cyrus and Xenophon. Are they the answers you would have given? ΜΑΘΗΤΗΣ. ῾Ο δὲ Κῦρος τίς ἐστιν; ΔΙΔΑΣΚΑΛΟΣ. ῾Ο Ξενοφῶν λέγει τὸν Κῦρο...
by Prometheus
Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:10 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

See also this portrait and biography of Xenophon as an author (in Greek), together with links to the text, and even a map of the route taken by the 10,000 Greeks. For a total beginner, it's fun to try find his name and the Anabasis of Cyrus in Greek. At any level, it's worth trying to use the graphi...
by Prometheus
Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:45 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Here are some additional resources. Several other old (i.e., public domain) Greek textbooks, besides White's, contain excerpts or paraphrases from Xenophon's Anabasis , including books by Bonner, Collis, Crosby, and Frost. Reading passages in these books will give you more practice with the vocabula...
by Prometheus
Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:09 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

The text of the Anabasis can also be read online using Tufts University's Perseus tool (http://old.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0201). For example, the first four lines of the Anabasis look like this: I. Dareiou kai Parusatidos gignontai paides duo++, presbuteros men ...
by Prometheus
Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:49 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Exercise in Verb Tenses. Change all verbs in the first reading passage in White FGB (Lesson 13) from past (Imperfect or Aorist) to present. e.g. Κῦρος, ὁ τοῦ Δαρείου υἱός, Πέρσης ἦν -> Κῦρος, ὁ τοῦ Δαρείου υἱός, Πέρσης ESTIN. 1. Κῦρος, ὁ τοῦ Δαρείου υἱός, Πέρσης ἦν καλὸς καὶ ἀγαθός. 2. σατράπην δὲ ...
by Prometheus
Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:41 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Jason, Thanks for your corrections and contributions. More of each are welcome. In particular, what aspects of grammar or vocabulary would you like to concentrate on? (I think most people here are already fairly comfortable with the Greek script, so I'll leave out that part.) This is our course and ...
by Prometheus
Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:27 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: נערָ = παρθένον ?
Replies: 14
Views: 9354

Re: נערָ = παρθένον ?

You are correct in your assertion. Recently I have found myself in the middle of a study of the Masoretic text. Here is what I see: I am of the opinion that the Oldest Reliable text is the LXX. It was the Masoretic Text that changed the meaning or added to it when speaking of Parthenos. I do not be...
by Prometheus
Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:17 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Unless and until someone suggests an easy way to enter text from White's book, let's start with a bit of the "real thing". Here are the opening lines of Xenophon's Anabasis Kyrou ('The Ascent of Cyrus') : Ξενοφώντος Κύρου Ἀνάβασις Βιβλίον Α [1.1.1] Δαρείου καὶ Παρυσάτιδος γίγνονται παῖδες δύο, πρεσβ...
by Prometheus
Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:08 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

I think a good starting point would be the reading passage from White's First Greek Book on p. 31, Lesson 13, #25, under the heading "The Parentage, Race, and Power of Cyrus the Younger". (I was disappointed that I couldn't copy and paste the text into here--can anyone advise?) The text can be appro...
by Prometheus
Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

I discovered an error in one of the online Athenaze exercises myself a few months back. I suppose that's the downside of language learners composing their own Greek sentences. But I agree that it's a useful exercise, since, for one thing, I would like as much reading practice as possible with the Wh...
by Prometheus
Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:12 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Like to Start New Group
Replies: 63
Views: 57828

Re: Like to Start New Group

Thanks, Bert. I also hope this will spark some interest.

Lee
by Prometheus
Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:24 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Anyone using Dobson's Learn New Testament Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 10808

Re: Anyone using Dobson's Learn New Testament Greek?

I've used Dobson (started about a year ago and finished a few months ago) and got quite a bit out of it. I used an inexpensive early paperback edition that I found at one of the online booksellers and the audio CD that comes with the latest edition which I found in a local library. I didn't work thr...
by Prometheus
Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze (Italian) Study Group
Replies: 8
Views: 5306

Re: Athenaze (Italian) Study Group

Glad to have you with us, Thesaurus! I have Vol. 2 of the Italian Athenaze and Chapters 6 and 11 from the Italian edition of Vol. 1 (along with an English version of Vol. 1). Should we start to work on the exercises of Chapt. 6 and compare our answers in the forum? Or somewhere else? Or quote notewo...