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by Bob Manske
Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

So that the deconvoluted structure is: ἡμεῖς δἐ φαμεν = but in response we say επὶ τῷ = about this subject οὐδ᾽ αὐτοί κατοικίσαι = they did not go out as colonists ὑβρίζεσθαι ὑπὸ τούτων = (for us) to be insulted by these guys I think it means that. Perfectly straightforward Greek (yeah, right!). It ...
by Bob Manske
Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

Bob, about the longitude problem: The reason they were trying to chart the movements of the moon or the satellites of Jupiter was precisely that they didn't have any reliable watch set to standard time, as any watch before John Harrison's chronometre was next to useless on the sea for this purpose....
by Bob Manske
Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

I know about that eclipse and referenced it in one of my earlier posts. The descriptions you reference are modern interpretations of what an eclipse looks like. They rely on predictive techniques and instrumentation not available to the ancients. I've seen solar eclipses from even closer than the di...
by Bob Manske
Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

Very basic question. This is one of the reasons I find Attic so hard. 1.23.1: τῶν δὲ πρότερον ἔργων μέγιστον ἐπράχθη τὸ Μηδικόν , καὶ τοῦτο ὅμως δυοῖν ναυμαχίαιν καὶ πεζομαχίαιν ταχεῖαν τὴν κρίσιν ἔσχεν. What is the subject of ἐπράχθη? And what is the object? Is there an article missing? Is there a...
by Bob Manske
Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

Firstly, What is the source of Marchant's information? The quote given is very unspecific. I suspect that Marchant had no reliable information about eclipse paths in antiquity and accepted Thoukydides' remarks at face value. It's quite reasonable - he wasn't able to check them. Therefore, he would s...
by Bob Manske
Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

The eclipse you mention in 431 BCE corresponds to -0430, so they are probably the same one. The other one you mention, in 424 BCE (=-0423), cannot be correct. There were two solar eclipses in that year. 1) March 21. The eclipse path ran from England through Denmark, up over Stockholm, through centra...
by Bob Manske
Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

Well, he says specifically: "eclipses of the Sun". Never mentions the Moon. As far as any other solar eclipses, the answer is exactly zero. An annular eclipse IS a partial eclipse everywhere except directly on the very narrow eclipse path itself and even then is annular only for the few minutes, if ...
by Bob Manske
Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

In 1.23.3 he says that eclipses happened more frequently during the Peloponnesian War. I don't know about that. Here's a list of all eclipses visible in Greece during the period. Dates are astronomical, so for BCE subtract one more. In other words -0477 = 478 BCE. Annular eclipses would not have bee...
by Bob Manske
Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

I'm still interested in reading but... Pardon my ignorance. I haven't been part of textkit group before so, is there a special group I have to join, do I just send in a translation or comments or questions, and if so where do I post them? In other words, physically, how does this thing work? What's ...
by Bob Manske
Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 311160

Re: Thinking about Thucydides 2012

I'd like to read with you. I have the OCT. How is this reading group going to work?

Bob
by Bob Manske
Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Some Thoughts to the Gaza Crisis
Replies: 103
Views: 20411

Re: Some Thoughts to the Gaza Crisis

How long are Jeff and the other moderators going to allow this to go on? PeterD and ThomasGR should be thrown off of this forum - or please throw the rest of us off, beginning with me. And lock or delete this thread, which is an insult not only to Textkit and to propriety but, far more importantly, ...
by Bob Manske
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:18 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: *Really* dead languages, anyone?
Replies: 19
Views: 7680

How is Hoch's? It's the grammar I'll be using in the course I'm taking. I prefer it to Allen's, at least right now. Hoch adopts a more traditional approach to Egyptian grammar than Allen. The book is much friendlier to the student. Allen's book is a cross between an introductory grammar and a refer...
by Bob Manske
Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:59 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: *Really* dead languages, anyone?
Replies: 19
Views: 7680

I've gone through Allen's Middle Egyptian Grammar a few times. I also have Hoch's. I'm currently moderating a Middle Egyptian study group on Yahoo. It looks like we'll be starting another one later on this year. Right now I'm reading the Dream Stela, the Precepts of Ptah-Hotep, and a stela of Horemh...
by Bob Manske
Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:35 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Gender of vitrix, vitricis
Replies: 24
Views: 6202

virgo, virginis
by Bob Manske
Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek or Latin
Replies: 20
Views: 7664

So why did you start with Greek in the first place?
It seems to me that you need to review your motivations.

Bob
by Bob Manske
Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze questions
Replies: 26
Views: 5799


by Bob Manske
Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Days of the Week
Replies: 10
Views: 3843

Last night I downloaded volumes 1 and 3 fine. Volume 5 didn't want to come. Tonight I tried it again and got all 47mb in a few minutes. So apparently they've straightened out their problems.
For now.

It's nice to have all 6. What a work it is!
by Bob Manske
Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Days of the Week
Replies: 10
Views: 3843

I was able to download the even numbered volumes of Greswell's work, but not the odd numbered ones. The page which allows you to download the volume never completes loading.
The three volumes I have been able to get are amazing!
by Bob Manske
Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:56 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Shakespeare Original Pronunciation
Replies: 9
Views: 3514

Thanks, Ed.
Fables by Aesop. I love it! A progressive tutorial in spelling reform. How do you find this kind of stuff?
by Bob Manske
Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:02 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Shakespeare Original Pronunciation
Replies: 9
Views: 3514

Sorry, GlottalGreekGeek did not write that, Timeodanaos did. Someday I'll get the hang of using quotes in my replies.
Bob
by Bob Manske
Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:59 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Shakespeare Original Pronunciation
Replies: 9
Views: 3514

I'm not a native speaker, but I always though advocate and hate did rhyme. How to pronounce advocate? When 'advocate' is a verb, they do rhyme. When it's a noun, the last 'a' is degraded to a schwa, you hardly hear it at all. I don't know why. In tis last case it's a violation of the spelling rule ...
by Bob Manske
Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hello from a new member
Replies: 16
Views: 3693

Welcome aboard, Penny.
Enjoy learning Latin, as I'm sure you will. There's a lot of expertise in this group and they are willing to help. And don't omit taking advantage of all the free downloads. There's a wealth of information and texts here.
Bob
by Bob Manske
Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Editors should mark all long vowels in modern editions
Replies: 7
Views: 1822

It's a lot of work for the publisher and for the editor. Besides, if you had learned the vocabulary with the proper vowel lengths to begin with, you'd soon be tired of seeing all the macrons in your texts. By the way, when you read out loud, which practice I heartily endorse as I understand that it'...
by Bob Manske
Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Is this grammatically correct?
Replies: 7
Views: 1922

retypepassword wrote:Perhaps this should be posted in the "External Links of Interest" forum, but I found a handy-dandy reference for Latin verb uses.
Great! Thanks for the link.
by Bob Manske
Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De Bello Gallico
Replies: 3
Views: 1176

Congratulations on reading a real man's book - Everyone else I've met insist that the Gallic War is the most boring piece of prose in classical Latin (only topped by the Civil War). I like it though. If you have trouble understanding the part where Caesar builds a bridge across the Rhine (IV, 17), ...
by Bob Manske
Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: De Bello Gallico 2
Replies: 6
Views: 1658

[quote="kembreg"] íncolunt The dictionary has in + colere Does the addition of in bring the accent forward?[\quote] The o is short, so the accent goes on the antepenult. [quote="kembreg"] dífferunt Why is this on the first syllable? Spanish has difiéran . French has ils différent .[\quote] Do no...
by Bob Manske
Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:51 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Works by Archimedes
Replies: 12
Views: 6262

If there's someone interested in Archimedes, as I told some time ago, I came across recently a fine web-site on Mathematics which offers his works: http://www.wilbourhall.org/ This marvelous site provides pdf files of Euclid, Diophantus, Ptolemy, Archimedes, Apollonius, &c. I hope it may be useful....
by Bob Manske
Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Questions on pronunciation, metric feet.
Replies: 6
Views: 2017

Re: Questions on pronunciation, metric feet.

Hi, A good source that I learned a lot from is annis's [url=http://www.aoidoi.org/articles/epic/recite.pdf] Thank you for your answers to our questions. With all of the reference material, aids, etc., available from Textkit I hadn't seen this one yet but I just downloaded it and will read it immedi...
by Bob Manske
Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:40 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: ScorpioMartianus.com
Replies: 17
Views: 3998

The site loaded OK now, so whatever the problem was it seems to have gone away.
by Bob Manske
Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:37 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: ScorpioMartianus.com
Replies: 17
Views: 3998

Luce Eque,
I couldn't get the web site to load.
by Bob Manske
Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Particles
Replies: 23
Views: 10061

annis wrote: The Dutch may be overrepresented here due to my enthusiasm for the pairing of Classics and modern linguistics the Dutch universities seem to have the corner on.
The Dutch seem to be well represented in Egyptology, too.
by Bob Manske
Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Questions on pronunciation, metric feet.
Replies: 6
Views: 2017

Miguel, I think I can help with question 1, but I have another question I'd like to add to yours. In question 1, I believe your scansion is wrong. The epsilon and omega in the fifth foot join into one long vowel by synizesis. The iota which starts your sixth foot is really the last syllable in the f...
by Bob Manske
Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:47 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Textkit unavailable/available/unavailable
Replies: 9
Views: 2129

I also got the "too many connections message" earlier (about 2000 GMT on the 10th). That was when I tried coming in through the subscribers' page. I went to textkit.com and got in. Shortly thereafter the subscribers' page let me in.
by Bob Manske
Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:01 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Member
Replies: 3
Views: 1276

Ancient Egyptian first, then astronomy at the end of this post. Ancient Egyptian is, in a word, hard. I once threw my intro Greek grammar at a wall in frustration. I haven't done that with any Egyptian grammars if only because, after Greek, I'm less easily frustrated now. I don't know what you mean ...
by Bob Manske
Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: the classical night sky
Replies: 5
Views: 1627

the classical night sky

Cantator and all others who are interested in star watching. You should take a look at Comet Holmes. Early evening. Up in Perseus, very bright, naked eye object, about 2nd or 3rd magnitude. There are finder charts on the web, just google (isn't English a wonderful language? You can verb anything) fo...
by Bob Manske
Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:48 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Member
Replies: 3
Views: 1276

New Member

I’ve been lurking around reading the fora for a few weeks looking in over your shoulders and decided that generally I like the way you all communicate. I’ve also used several of the links to access reference material. This is a very valuable web site. About me: I have an M.A. in Classics from we...