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by jaihare
Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:57 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Hebrew tenses in Greek translation [topic split]
Replies: 6
Views: 1988

Re: Hebrew tenses in Greek translation [topic split]

Wayback aRound the turn-of-the-century Rolf Furuli and R. Booth had an endless "discussion" about this which was one of the reasons I dropped out the b-hebrew forum. Not the only reason. Two scholars using different frameworks talking past each other. Really? They've been discussing it again this w...
by jaihare
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:48 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

Not yet. But maybe we could? Just be aware... I'm in the UTC+3 timezone right now (for the winter), which becomes UTC+2 in the spring. That is, in Israel. I'm gonna be on a different day/night schedule from everyone else. Shall we make up a scheduling option page (like Doodle.com ) so that everyone...
by jaihare
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:23 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Hebrew tenses in Greek translation [topic split]
Replies: 6
Views: 1988

Re: NT greek reading groups?

Either way, I think we should generally take the Greek as a separate entity, as a language unto itself, and attempt to understand it as much as possible without recourse to the Hebrew. Why? A Greek reader who received a copy of the LXX generally didn't have the change to look back at the Hebrew text...
by jaihare
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:22 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Hebrew tenses in Greek translation [topic split]
Replies: 6
Views: 1988

Re: NT greek reading groups?

I originally went down this road of analysis because the aspect of ὑπήρξε στέρησις κενόν τε seemed inconsistent with the English “was without form and void.” I don’t know, however, the exact force or form of הָיְתָ֥ה and so cannot judge whether the Greek ὑπήρξε or the English “was” is more correct ...
by jaihare
Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:06 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Hebrew tenses in Greek translation [topic split]
Replies: 6
Views: 1988

Re: NT greek reading groups?

I see all kinds of statements about Hebrew "tense" that I find just overly confounding. It seems to me that people benefit dramatically from learning modern Hebrew even when it comes to the Hebrew tenses. Why? We see that the forms are dependent on immediate context and not relation to the present t...
by jaihare
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:18 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

What exactly would such a group reading entail? I might be an occasional participant, but am more interested in the linguistic aspects of the NT text than in the theological. I am currently reading Acts for my Bible Study group with great interest, but am not sure I would find a book like Galatians...
by jaihare
Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
jaihare wrote:How shall we manage this?
Google hangout? And it would be nice to drum up a few other people to join. We also have to figure out the time difference...
Google hangout, Skype... it's all the same to me.
by jaihare
Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:07 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
jaihare wrote::taps fingers on tab impatiently:

Really? No one is interested in reading together?
Sure, I'm in. My favorite book of the GNT? The one I'm currently reading... :roll:
How shall we manage this?
by jaihare
Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:55 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

:taps fingers on tab impatiently:

Really? No one is interested in reading together?
by jaihare
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

I personally love reading Galatians.
by jaihare
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

If we were to start a new reading group for some book in the GNT, what book would you there be interest in?
by jaihare
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NT greek reading groups?
Replies: 26
Views: 13601

Re: NT greek reading groups?

I guess this went nowhere?
by jaihare
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: greek text on android
Replies: 46
Views: 69188

Re: greek text on android

jeidsath wrote:On Friday, I checked out the Greek text on my friend's new Google Pixel. They have finally fixed it!
Polytonic Greek is now fixed on all updated Android devices, as far as I know. :)
by jaihare
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

frenchp wrote:I didn't seem to get any pm from you...so I sent you one. Let's hope it works!
How's it going for you two?
by jaihare
Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:16 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4
Replies: 16
Views: 5737

Re: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

I know you don't believe that Jesus is any of the above ( mainly because you don't think he even existed), you're of course entitled to believe this. However, I take issue with your claim that in Galatians 4, apostle Paul intentionally used γενέσθαι when speaking of Jesus while γεννηθῆναι when talk...
by jaihare
Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:59 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4
Replies: 16
Views: 5737

Re: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

Looks like you have proved that apostle Paul believed Jesus to be an Angelic being in human form rather than an actual human being because he used γενέσθαι rather than γεννηθῆναι when "speaking of" Jesus . οὐκ ἐμοὶ διαφέρει εἰ τοῦτο ἢ ἐκεῖνο ἀληθές ἐστιν. πιστεύω εἰς τὸν Ἰησοῦν ὅτι οὐκ ἄγγελος οὐδὲ...
by jaihare
Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:21 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4
Replies: 16
Views: 5737

Re: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

To me γίνομαι seems pretty standard for "to be born" (or more exactly, "to come into being"), at least in the classical period. I don't think that the comparison between γενόμενος and ποιησάμενος is really apt. If there's a distinction to be made between γενόμενος and γεννηθείς, I think the point i...
by jaihare
Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:23 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4
Replies: 16
Views: 5737

Re: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

By the way, the above verse represents the only time in Paul's writings where it is said that Jesus was "born," yet it doesn't use the word "born" (γεννηθείς) but rather "came to be" (γενόμενος). Why does Paul never mention Jesus' birth?
by jaihare
Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:19 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4
Replies: 16
Views: 5737

γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

πᾶσιν τοῖς ἐμοῖς φίλοις τοῖς ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ συναγωγῇ TEXTKIT καλουμένῃ, χαίρειν. In Galatians 4, it seems that Paul intentionally used γενέσθαι when speaking of Jesus while γεννηθῆναι when talking of Isaac and Ishmael being born of Sarah and Hagar, respectively. Here are the verses in question: 4:4-5 ὅ...
by jaihare
Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:22 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

Hi Jason, I'd also be happy in joining a group when a new one is starting. My Latin is okay but Greek is essentially non-existent. I have both Athenaze and Greek: An Intensive Course books but haven't started either of them yet. If you have a new group for either course starting soon I'd love to jo...
by jaihare
Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:08 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

I'm very interested in joining the group, and I don't mind jumping in at any point. Thanks for your attention. Sorry that I never noticed your response. Are you still interested in studying this textbook? I've got a new two-person group going, and we're in Unit 5 this week. We're meeting on Skype t...
by jaihare
Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do you speak Attic?
Replies: 10
Views: 4958

Re: Do you speak Attic?

jeidsath wrote:Thank you, I've reached out to him on the other board.
Excellent. However, that doesn't answer the second question. Are you interested in having access to the Google Doc sheet that they were working on? I would love to see that document better developed and cleaned up. The formatting is a mess.
by jaihare
Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Do you speak Attic?
Replies: 10
Views: 4958

Re: Do you speak Attic?

Yes, I emailed him a long time ago about extending his project but never heard back. I was planning to concentrate on what he hasn't done first -- the introductory notes, which are fairly useful, and the final sections. However, I don't think that I'll have too much difficulty with translating the ...
by jaihare
Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:59 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: New FGB Key
Replies: 15
Views: 17121

Re: New FGB Key

bedwere wrote:Not working for me.
Yeah, that link doesn't work for me, either. It takes me to my own public folder on Dropbox. I think he needs to fix the link.
by jaihare
Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:56 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Tackling Athenaze (the English version)
Replies: 14
Views: 8524

Re: Tackling Athenaze (the English version)

Jason, why should one not neglect these? I'm just beginning Athenaze and I'm finding it difficult to find a reason for them. I guess it's just opinions. Anywho, why do you think we shouldn't neglect them. Maybe I'm missing something.... (Minus the new vocab in them ofc) In short because it makes yo...
by jaihare
Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Representing Greek - Font Notes for New Users
Replies: 4
Views: 25114

Re: Representing Greek - Font Notes for New Users

Paul Derouda wrote:Does anyone know a way to read old posts from the pre-Unicode era so that the Greek displays correctly (or is at least readable)?
No, I really have no idea.
by jaihare
Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:15 am
Forum: The Academy
Topic: Split from My Greek Reading
Replies: 0
Views: 1395

Split from My Greek Reading

I think that you need to post these to a board frequented by modern Greeks if you want a constructive criticism. To my ears, your τ sounds too much like the English t, but you should really go to someone who speaks the language. Here are two recordings of Revelation 15 with a modern Greek pronuncia...
by jaihare
Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

derfner wrote:Hey, there—any chance I could still join this group? I started a few weeks ago and am working on the drills for Unit 5 now.
Sure. This week we're doing the first self-correcting exercise after the review for units 1-3. Send me an email for more information. It's in my signature.
by jaihare
Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12β
Replies: 34
Views: 6398

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12β

The thread for 13α is now open.
by jaihare
Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:20 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 13α
Replies: 13
Views: 6873

Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 13α

Here’s the template for 13α of Athenaze . Exercise 13α and 13β You don’t need to write anything up for this exercise. Exercise 13γ Identify the tense and form of the underlined verbs, translate the verb, and then explain the use of the tense. Translate the sentence. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Ex...
by jaihare
Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:38 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: New FGB Key
Replies: 15
Views: 17121

Re: New FGB Key

Wow! I really should continue on with that page! Thanks for bringing it up. I'll start working on it again soon.
by jaihare
Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12β
Replies: 34
Views: 6398

Re: Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 12β

I'll try to open up a thread on Sunday, OK?
by jaihare
Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:26 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 154281

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

You must stress the fact that this is not direct language... He'll take your statement that ὅ can be used of people and insist that it's the case in every situation.
by jaihare
Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:18 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

I'm really impressed by the group we've put together. We have fourteen participants all signed up. Great!
by jaihare
Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

demetri wrote:"Intensive" seems an accurate description of this course. I just opened my not-yet-read copy and am rather intimidated.

Can we "audit' the class? :)
No credit given!! It's all audit only. :)

Come join in. It's intimidating, but it's gonna be GOOD!!
by jaihare
Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:50 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

I now have a list of eleven participants.

If you want to join, this is the time. I'll be starting the group up next week.
by jaihare
Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:41 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Inspecting 1 John 1:1
Replies: 514
Views: 154281

Re: Inspecting 1 John 1:1

So when I use terms like "clique", "Cabal", "Coven", "posse", "gang" etc. to describe your collective behaviour here , none of you should protest. I've had interactions with you on three different forums (at least), and on each of them you eventually play the victim and say that everyone's ganging ...
by jaihare
Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

We currently have a group of eight. That's a good and fast response. Hopefully we'll get started by next week.

Manuel, have you sent me a mail? I don't know if you might be using a different name on your mail.
by jaihare
Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Re: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

Manuel wrote:I'd be up for it since I could use the practice. I was planning to buy a copy anyway.
Excellent. Can you send me an email?
jason[at]thehebrewcafe[dot]com
by jaihare
Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE
Replies: 24
Views: 13674

Interest in GREEK: AN INTENSIVE COURSE

I'm restarting a group for Greek: An Intensive Course by Hansen and Quinn. Anyone interested in joining? It's a difficult, fast-paced textbook. Great for a thorough review or a quick drive into more advanced Greek texts and grammatical structures. If you've got time for an intensive study of Greek, ...