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by cb
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Opt in indirect questions
Replies: 1
Views: 134

Re: Opt in indirect questions

Hi, I haven't had a chance to track through your citations below other than to check them in the Plato OCT (both vol. 3 edited by Burnet): worth checking the main text vs. critical apparatus on both citations. The Euthydemus example has "< ἂν > ἀμφισβητοίην Heindorf" in the apparatus, and the Gorgia...
by cb
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Opt after sub or imper
Replies: 3
Views: 182

Re: Opt after sub or imper

Hi, just looking at the first e.g., I take this as an opt. of wish in a dependent construction. See Goodwin 1897 s168: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Goodwin+syntax+168&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0065 Chantraine 1963 (i.e. vol. 2) s400 notes that the optative is attested in final...
by cb
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 3426

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

Many thanks -- I hadn't heard of Earp before and will definitely read this.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 3426

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

Hi Bart, just to add, the most useful syntax I've seen for reading Sophocles is the one by Moorhouse (1982). On v. 21, Moorhouse covers this genitive construction on pg 55, noting that τάφου goes more readily with ἀτιμάζω (as you identified) but also can be linked with προτίω. A long time ago I did ...
by cb
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 26292

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

Hi Daivid, I haven't followed all the threads you allude to above, but it sounds like your confidence in learning Greek is gone. I'll give my recommendation in light of this, and then some thoughts on some of the points in this thread. Recommendation: Start again. Use the JACT Reading Greek course, ...
by cb
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 5114

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi, I think it is worth adding that the level of probability is not hard-coded into any particular word in the dictionary, but comes in each case from the context. This is why I completely agree with mwh that ἴσως could express this here. The context will set the level of probability. Looking at the...
by cb
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 5114

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi mwh, completely agreed. Just to note I wasn't giving alternative suggestions for composing the thought in the original post, but responding to the post prior to mine about whether there were other ways of expressing "probably".

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 5114

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi, the verb κινδυνεύω can express probability, e.g. Plat. Rep. 9 571b: τῶν μὴ ἀναγκαίων ἡδονῶν τε καὶ ἐπιθυμιῶν δοκοῦσί τινές μοι εἶναι παράνομοι, αἳ κινδυνεύουσι μὲν ἐγγίγνεσθαι παντί, There are lots of other ways to express probability in addition to those mentioned above in the thread, e.g. ὡς τ...
by cb
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Philebus
Replies: 2
Views: 1257

Re: Plato Philebus

Hi, agreed with the above. Just to add my thoughts, I think ἀποτελουμένων is more likely to be middle than passive in Phileb. 54e, although it's a fuzzy line between the middle and the other voices in many cases. ἀποτελέω is a denominative (formed from the noun τέλος with the pre-verb ἀπο-) and so, ...
by cb
Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts
Replies: 7
Views: 2929

Re: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts

Hi Andrew, for Greek I'd say Euclid or other technical texts where simple repetitive structures are used by the author, and where the difficulty is more in the content than in the Greek itself.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Frontinus, Stragegemata, short hard sentence
Replies: 9
Views: 4912

Re: Frontinus, Stragegemata, short hard sentence

Hi, I don't know syntax peculiarities of those authors outside the canon, but I suspect this is an example of a later construction of impersonal debet + inf.: see e.g. pages 122-123 of "Archaic Syntax in Indo-European: The Spread of Transitivity in Latin and French", section 3.4.1 (Verbs developing ...
by cb
Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Acute accents on consecutive syllables
Replies: 7
Views: 3313

Re: Acute accents on consecutive syllables

Hi, I doubt we'll ever know how these sequences sounded. However, if these successive acutes aren't simply orthographic conventions but transmit actual historical speech patterns, then going off Devine & Stephens, I doubt that a sequence of acutes would go on successively rising in pitch: that's wha...
by cb
Sun May 14, 2017 7:36 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The grave accent in Homeric and Classical Greek
Replies: 7
Views: 5510

Re: The grave accent in Homeric and Classical Greek

Hi, agreed the data are extremely limited and so there's only so much you can conclude from them. Just to understand, in say πολλὰς δ᾽ ἰφθίμους, my takeaway from D&S was that the first three syllables would step up successively in pitch (I make no call on the intervals, and so if different authors d...
by cb
Sun May 14, 2017 2:39 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The grave accent in Homeric and Classical Greek
Replies: 7
Views: 5510

Re: The grave accent in Homeric and Classical Greek

Hi, see Devine & Stephens pigs 180-183 on the pitch implications of the grave accent. They consider all the musical and other evidence (including the Delphic hymns) and conclude that e.g. the grave has a higher relative pitch than the syllable preceding it in the same word (pg 182) but a lower relat...
by cb
Wed May 10, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question about Porson's Bridge (and Devine and Stephens)
Replies: 12
Views: 8288

Re: Question about Porson's Bridge (and Devine and Stephens)

Hi, sorry I don't have a copy anymore nor any material still accessible on the internet as far as I'm aware. No great loss - I've basically just internalised the model (it's the way I pronounce Greek - I built it in my first few years of teaching myself Greek to give myself a method to follow when p...
by cb
Wed May 10, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 25306

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

Hi, three points in reply to your post above: on word lists, on future comprehensible input resources and (from the other related thread) on learning plateaus. Word lists: You asked whether I think it's worth reading word lists. Yes I do think so, even if you don't come across those words in the nea...
by cb
Tue May 09, 2017 1:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods
Replies: 48
Views: 25306

Re: Krashen and Ancient Greek teaching methods

Hi all, I just took a quick look at the Krashen book linked on the other related thread: http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/books/principles_and_practice.pdf . I skipped to the section "D. Characteristics of Optimal Input for Acquisition" starting pg 62 and only focused on the positive recommendations...
by cb
Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:37 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Staying motivated
Replies: 12
Views: 6045

Re: Staying motivated

Hi, just to add to this, I think it's different for each person –see what in general kicks you into starting new things. Try to remember back to what it was that got you interested in classics, and repeat that over and over. For me, watching documentaries is an easy way to kick me back into a partic...
by cb
Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:06 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Taking up Latin with Reggie
Replies: 6
Views: 2751

Re: Taking up Latin with Reggie

Hi, I bought Ossa and really like it. I agree an auto-didact couldn't use it as their sole textbook – the basic idea seems to be to learn a principle quickly, dive into any real Latin text from any period, scan for words that appear to reflect the principle, look them up in a big dictionary (I reall...
by cb
Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:31 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Qui sibi nomen imposuit
Replies: 4
Views: 1939

Re: Qui sibi nomen imposuit

hi, the question has already been answered above, but as an aside in case useful, for golden age syntax one of my go-to books is lebreton's études sur la langue et la gramm. de cicéron – this question is covered on pgs 85-86 (giving both alternatives where the word cited is declinable, and lots of e...
by cb
Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:15 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Cambridge Greek Lexicon
Replies: 15
Views: 7840

Re: Cambridge Greek Lexicon

hi, i agree - i think i'll still keep using the LSJ for looking up words when reading. i'll probably instead read this new dictionary outside the context of reading a text, using it instead to look up those common words that have lots of senses, and read the conspectus of senses they group at the be...
by cb
Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Cambridge Greek Lexicon
Replies: 15
Views: 7840

Re: Cambridge Greek Lexicon

hi, many thanks for this link. i see that they're going to put it on perseus, which will be great (although the fact that they don't include citations will probably mean that i don't use it unfortunately - i tend to read all or most of the whole entry in the LSJ/OLD, including the citations, to lear...
by cb
Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Iota Subscripts
Replies: 11
Views: 5754

Re: Iota Subscripts

hi, i pronounce it, and i write it adscript not subscript. cheers, chad
by cb
Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ossa, reginald foster - out soon
Replies: 12
Views: 4630

Re: ossa, reginald foster - out soon

i guess we'll see soon! i think there's always something useful in every method, something unique and helpful to take away, since no teacher has ever discovered the complete set of optimal lessons and delivery method, and so i'm always flicking through the new books that come out, even though the ol...
by cb
Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:28 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ossa, reginald foster - out soon
Replies: 12
Views: 4630

ossa, reginald foster - out soon

hi all, apologies if it's been announced already in another thread, but i just randomly bumped into this webpage linked below, about a book coming out in a few days setting out reginald foster's method of teaching latin - thought i'd pass it along: http://thelatinlanguage.org/blog/ossa-published/ ch...
by cb
Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Monolingual Ancient Greek Lexicon from 16th century
Replies: 26
Views: 17477

Re: Monolingual Ancient Greek Lexicon from 16th century

hi markos, i saw above you were curious about my view on this. sorry i can't visit here as often as i'd like... my view is at the end, but let me give the lead-up first - like most people i assume, i use lexical resources in two ways: 1. to get an overall understanding of a word (outside the context...
by cb
Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:25 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?
Replies: 50
Views: 28247

Re: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?

hi all, quite interesting, i've always thought personally that πᾶσι reads better than δαῖτα (but i have no position on which is more likely historically to have been introduced first). πᾶσι for me rounds off the previous two quantity words μυρί' and πολλάς, binding in a rhetorical way the 3 conseque...
by cb
Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Caesar's Gallic War in Greek - Καίσαρος Πόλεμος Γαλάτιος ἑλ.
Replies: 42
Views: 16487

Re: Caesar's Gallic War in Greek - Καίσαρος Πόλεμος Γαλάτιος

hi hylander, yep i completely agree with everything you say. does the translator write well? definitely. is it close to attested attic? yes. but it's not quite attested attic, based on a quick read of the first few sentences. the translator uses words not attested in attic, even where attic has atte...
by cb
Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:16 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?
Replies: 50
Views: 28247

Re: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?

my guess is zenodotus would vote: neither. he athetised the verse. sure, his text had δαῖτα. but it athetised the verse containing it. west argues that zenodotus took an ionian rhapsode's copy, full of variants already baked in, e.g. δαῖτα, and produced his edition basically by athetising verses (so...
by cb
Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Caesar's Gallic War in Greek - Καίσαρος Πόλεμος Γαλάτιος ἑλ.
Replies: 42
Views: 16487

Re: Caesar's Gallic War in Greek - Καίσαρος Πόλεμος Γαλάτιος

hi all, i took a quick look at the first few sentences of that BG translation - the translator obviously knew how to write greek but some bits just felt not quite attic to me. e.g. word choice: the perfect form κεχωρίδαται doesn’t feel familiar from plato or the orators - i’d expect more typical δια...
by cb
Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:44 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Funeral stele at the Met
Replies: 18
Views: 6286

Re: Funeral stele at the Met

hi, yep i wonder, i guess other possibilities - beyond just stuffing it up, which seems quite likely - are an implied noun (like soul), or maybe a faulty copying into grk of a syntactical construction from a local language... but when it comes to why unknown people from the distant past made errors,...
by cb
Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:42 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Funeral stele at the Met
Replies: 18
Views: 6286

Re: Funeral stele at the Met

hi, here's an article showing a few more tombstones where the same error is made, putting the name of the deceased in the genitive rather than vocative (see footnote 12 and top of pg 131): http://www.academia.edu/7371056/More_Early_Christian_Inscribed_Tombstones_from_el-Huweinat_in_Northern_Sinai_wi...
by cb
Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Meter in Tragedy (Split from topic "Let's Read: AJAX")
Replies: 67
Views: 39522

Re: Meter in Tragedy (Split from topic "Let's Read: AJAX")

hi, this is a super interesting and useful thread. i just wanted to add -- since the earlier question about the link between the formal structures of the play and performance reminded me of it -- that there's a great (even if quite conjectural) explanation of how sophoclean tragedy evolved to have s...
by cb
Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:07 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation to ancient Greek
Replies: 36
Views: 15424

Re: Translation to ancient Greek

hi michael, i always find it super interesting to hear about how people like you have learnt and think about these things, having had a real classical education. there used to be someone on this forum a few years ago - username whiteoctave, one of the few in the last few hundred years to win all 4 p...
by cb
Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation to ancient Greek
Replies: 36
Views: 15424

Re: Translation to ancient Greek

ps here's my quick attempt at the expression in iambic tri (i'm out of practice! probably riddled with errors). the expression to be turned calls to mind a phrase that euripides uses many times for "no human being", eg : hecuba 864: οὐκ ἔστι θνητῶν / ὅστις ἔστ᾽ ἐλεύθερος (one of my favourite lines, ...
by cb
Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Translation to ancient Greek
Replies: 36
Views: 15424

Re: Translation to ancient Greek

hi, an idiomatic way to express the meaning "only the gods know", at least from plato, would be simply θεὸς οἶδε, e.g.: phaedrus 266b-c: καὶ μέντοι καὶ τοὺς δυναμένους αὐτὸ δρᾶν εἰ μὲν ὀρθῶς ἢ μὴ προσαγορεύω, θεὸς οἶδε , καλῶ δὲ οὖν μέχρι τοῦδε διαλεκτικούς. timaeus 53d: ταύτην δὴ πυρὸς ἀρχὴν καὶ τῶ...
by cb
Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Refreshing a language
Replies: 32
Views: 17433

Re: Refreshing a language

hi, if your aim is just to read (and not speak/converse, where courses or other lessons and then immersion are really necessary i found) i'd suggest you grab a grammar of french (around 100 pages or so, nothing huge like le bon usage) and spend a day or two reading it end to end. you'll skip the stu...
by cb
Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:16 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Is it a good idea to learn Latin and Greek at the same time?
Replies: 18
Views: 12691

Re: Is it a good idea to learn Latin and Greek at the same t

hi, i think it's a good idea to try both at the same time if you're keen, as others have said. one reason is this: if you learn both G and L, it can help change your approach to memorising the grammar details of whichever one you're studying at any moment from passive recall to active recall. here's...
by cb
Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:03 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: British Museum
Replies: 20
Views: 9501

Re: British Museum

hi paul, sorry i came back here too late to post about other bookstores in london - you've been and gone. there's one that you get on the black tube line going north a few stops from the centre, to Old Kentish Town (or something Lord-of-the-Rings-sounding like that), called the Hellenic Bookservice....
by cb
Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:26 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: British Museum
Replies: 20
Views: 9501

Re: British Museum

hi paul, in fact the BM is only a fraction of the size of the louvre. a great thing about it is there's no ticket gate or anything and it's in a great part of town so you can just walk in and have a long or short look around depending on your timing. in paris i had to become an ami du louvre to get ...