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by cb
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Plato translations
Replies: 3
Views: 59

Re: Greek Plato translations

You’re welcome! Which dialogue(s) are you thinking of translating? In the course of writing my personal study on Socratic method, I’ve translated all the quotes, and realised that I disagree in quite a few places with the translations in Cooper’s edition (multiple translators). There’s still lots of...
by cb
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Plato translations
Replies: 3
Views: 59

Re: Greek Plato translations

Hi, do you mean in the original (ancient) Greek? If so, the best place is still Perseus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Perseus:collection:Greco-Roman Links to commentaries ('notes') are displayed on the side where available. These won't give you the latest critical editio...
by cb
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dickey's Greek Prose
Replies: 3
Views: 129

Re: Dickey's Greek Prose

Hi, just to respond to your second question, I have the Bertrand book: it's a classic drill book, with corrections, but without the helpful notes before each set of exercises like in Dickey's book. Another French book I got in Paris, closer in spirit to Dickey's book, is Lebeau's Le thème grec du DE...
by cb
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἄλλον δὲ τρόπον ἐκεῖ τε λέγων τὸ μεταληπτικόν
Replies: 6
Views: 189

Re: ἄλλον δὲ τρόπον ἐκεῖ τε λέγων τὸ μεταληπτικόν

Hi, for the background context on the passage (from Aristotle, Physics 209b13–16), I'm setting out here the analysis and commentary on this from Ross' edition of the Physics (1936), in case helpful. Analysis of Book IV, A (Place), 2 (Is Place matter or form?) (pgs 371–2), my underline: 209a31. A thi...
by cb
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:46 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: A comprehension exercise
Replies: 20
Views: 726

Re: A comprehension exercise

Thank you!

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:29 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: A comprehension exercise
Replies: 20
Views: 726

Re: A comprehension exercise

Hi mwh, you've initiated another great discussion here, many thanks. Can I please ask how a professional papyrologist would have tackled the challenge you posed at the beginning of the thread? Do you take in all the details at once—the metrical endings, the spelling patterns, and other properties—th...
by cb
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:46 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca
Replies: 65
Views: 1820

Re: Anonyma from Epigrammata Graeca

Hi all, this is a very interesting thread. There are two objectives at play, both valid: reading accurately , and reading naturally . I think all agree that they are not incompatible. Joel is trying to work on the naturally objective. Posting translations, however, invites criticism according to the...
by cb
Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:58 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Assassin's creed Odyssey
Replies: 6
Views: 1366

Re: Assassin's creed Odyssey

Hi, the main thing from a history perspective to check out is the Discovery Tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4Iy-p943M It's like an interactive documentary, with quizzes at the end of each topic, which is great: kids watching along and doing the quizzes learned a whole lot of new things, fact...
by cb
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:06 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: A humorous Latin poem in a newspaper
Replies: 4
Views: 2483

Re: A humorous Latin poem in a newspaper

Hi, this is fantastic! (I only just saw this.) To give a little Textkit history, the author of this poem used to be a regular poster on Textkit: whiteoctave. He's definitely a classicist to watch. From memory (this goes back over a decade), he's one of very few who won the composition prize at Cambr...
by cb
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Secular uses of εις.
Replies: 26
Views: 1888

Re: Secular uses of εις.

Hi, the best coverage of this, I think, is in Silvia 2003, On the Meaning of Prepositions and Cases: The Expression of Semantic Roles in Ancient Greek . Pages 107–117 cover usage of εἰς outside NT Greek: the examples come from Homer, Herodotus, Plato and Thucydides, which should give you a good sens...
by cb
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Imperfect v. Aorist
Replies: 7
Views: 731

Re: Imperfect v. Aorist

Hi, the simple answer is to follow the example from the unit. I remember this from Mastronarde unit 20. See the e.g. Mastronarde gives on pg. 165 (2nd edition): it's in the aorist, not imperfect. You can use that as your guide for the exercise. The complex answer is that both options are available, ...
by cb
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What Latin words could I use or make up to mean "pan-causal temporal loop"
Replies: 9
Views: 836

Re: What Latin words could I use or make up to mean "pan-causal temporal loop"

Hi, maybe use the Stoic word for the endless cycle of the universe, with (roughly, using your words) "all causes" repeating over and over in a "temporal loop" (it's Greek though): παλιγγενεσία.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Some epigrams
Replies: 3
Views: 653

Re: Some epigrams

Hi, it's been a very long time since I practised Latin verse comp, however just looking at your first question, I think it would be better to avoid using the proper noun exception to the usual rule of a disyllable at the end of the pentameter. What about something simple like Caecilii cineres nolo m...
by cb
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: most 'supported' learning text for the autodidact
Replies: 3
Views: 684

Re: most 'supported' learning text for the autodidact

Hi, I think Mastronarde is actually really well laid out, and has a very useful supporting website: http://atticgreek.org/index.html If however you don't like it, perhaps try Athenaze, revised third edition. There are useful online resources (e.g. quizzes) here: https://global.oup.com/us/companion.w...
by cb
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tacitus Annals Book 4 interlinear translation vocabulary grammar
Replies: 5
Views: 746

Re: Tacitus Annals Book 4 interlinear translation vocabulary grammar

This looks very useful, thank you. Do you know whether there's any intention to do this for other books too? It would be great if the interlinear English could be hidden or displayed with a button, the way that the grammar and vocab panels can be switched on or off, for those who find the translatio...
by cb
Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Bookstore discovery - Fragmenta Selecta
Replies: 3
Views: 579

Re: Bookstore discovery - Fragmenta Selecta

Many thanks for this! I didn't know about this one at all, and now feel acute fear of having missed out... When I used to live in Paris, we had regular training sessions up in the Amsterdam office of our firm, and I used to sneak out during breaks to buy books from the other antiquarian bookstores i...
by cb
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Dream comprehensible input engine
Replies: 3
Views: 450

Re: Dream comprehensible input engine

Hi, if we had that ideal engine, there would be two things that I would want: 1. Some way of knowing that it is producing reliable content. I’m thinking of the short film Sunspring — where AI was used to produce a film script, which is hilarious gobbledygook, and then actors played it out. If anyone...
by cb
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.
Replies: 2
Views: 204

Re: DIONYSIUS AREOPAGITA, De divinis nominibus 1.1.

Hi, I don't know the context, but perhaps this is meant to be καταδείξασθαι (from καταδείκνυμι)?

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:53 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Trip to Greece - advice?
Replies: 13
Views: 1481

Re: Trip to Greece - advice?

Many thanks all, I'm taking notes too for my next trip! Still just focusing on the kids angle, keep in mind that visiting Delphi, as well as being awe-inspiring (and, if you're like me, involves vainly looking around for broken rocks that may have once borne the famous sayings inscribed there long a...
by cb
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Trip to Greece - advice?
Replies: 13
Views: 1481

Re: Trip to Greece - advice?

Hi, it depends on how young your kids are, but mine liked e.g. the National Gardens (it has a zoo, a playground etc.) If they're a bit older, something I liked, a little off the tourist trail, was climbing Mount Zas in Naxos (tallest mountain in the Cyclades, and has a cave of Zeus). It's worth stic...
by cb
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Third Declension
Replies: 5
Views: 431

Re: Third Declension

Hi, yes it reminds me (and I'm sure many others too) of the famous story of Winston Churchill, who couldn't understand why anyone would need to learn the vocative of table in Latin: Source: https://newlearningonline.com/new-learning/chapter-2/winston-churchills-school-days Churchill relates a story ...
by cb
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs
Replies: 8
Views: 469

Re: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs

Hi all, I agree with everything above, and would add (now that the conversation is shifting from where to find principal parts, to useful ways for learning them), I found Mastronarde's grouping of principal parts into groups really helpful. This is covered on pgs 390–2 of the 2nd edition of Mastrona...
by cb
Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: To be or not to be?
Replies: 4
Views: 409

Re: To be or not to be?

Hi, this actually depends on the author / period. For Homeric Greek for instance, there is a useful discussion of this in Chantraine 1963 secs 1 and following. For your Attic exercises however, I'd recommend that you follow the guidelines set out in sec. 26.13 of the new Cambridge grammar, which not...
by cb
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?
Replies: 10
Views: 829

Re: How much of JACT is needed to start reading Plato?

Hi, a great entry point for Plato, for someone who is a fair way through a major textbook (but not yet all the way), is the Crito commentary by Malcolm Campbell (unit 2 in the Greek prose reading course for post-beginners ). As well as having extensive notes, it has a self-contained section explaini...
by cb
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:40 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs
Replies: 8
Views: 469

Re: Looking for Principle Parts Catalogs

Hi, the closest thing I can think of is Marinone's All the Greek Verbs, but it's not quite what you're looking for: it skips verbs only attested in the present tense.

Your best bet would be to read a dictionary, and skip non-verb forms.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plat., Protag.
Replies: 68
Views: 5493

Re: Plat., Protag.

Hi, I’m coming into this discussion late, but I see a post above on 350d that hasn’t been addressed: ‘τοὺς δὲ ἀνδρείους ὡς οὐ θαρραλέοι εἰσίν, τὸ ἐμὸν ὁμολόγημα οὐδαμοῦ ἐπέδειξας ὡς οὐκ ὀρθῶς ὡμολόγησα. This is the sentence which all the commentators got wrong trying to explain the οὐ . In my opinio...
by cb
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ablative of place without preposition?
Replies: 16
Views: 1676

Re: Ablative of place without preposition?

Hi, I am coming into this conversation very late (I haven’t been on the site since about April, and am only now catching up on the interesting threads posted since) and so apologies if this derails the conversation, but I just wanted to pick up something said right at the beginning of this thread, f...
by cb
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato dictionary
Replies: 4
Views: 760

Re: Plato dictionary

Hi, I have a relatively recent dictionary for Plato by Pradeau and Brisson (2007), in French: https://www.editions-ellipses.fr/dictionnaire-platon-p-6188.html However, (1) it only covers a limited set of words, and (2) nothing (in my view) can replace working through the commentaries on Plato’s dial...
by cb
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Helma Dik Word Order in Greek Tragic Dialogue
Replies: 1
Views: 400

Re: Helma Dik Word Order in Greek Tragic Dialogue

Hi, this is an excellent book. You will find it very useful if you accept that pragmatics can give a meaningful account of word order. If however you worry that pragmatics can be partially circular (it explains constituent order in clauses by reference to pragmatics, but interprets pragmatics partia...
by cb
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Opt in indirect questions
Replies: 1
Views: 402

Re: Opt in indirect questions

Hi, I haven't had a chance to track through your citations below other than to check them in the Plato OCT (both vol. 3 edited by Burnet): worth checking the main text vs. critical apparatus on both citations. The Euthydemus example has "< ἂν > ἀμφισβητοίην Heindorf" in the apparatus, and the Gorgia...
by cb
Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Opt after sub or imper
Replies: 3
Views: 671

Re: Opt after sub or imper

Hi, just looking at the first e.g., I take this as an opt. of wish in a dependent construction. See Goodwin 1897 s168: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Goodwin+syntax+168&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0065 Chantraine 1963 (i.e. vol. 2) s400 notes that the optative is attested in final...
by cb
Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:38 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 4167

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

Many thanks -- I hadn't heard of Earp before and will definitely read this.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Antigone, lines 1-100
Replies: 11
Views: 4167

Re: Antigone, lines 1-100

Hi Bart, just to add, the most useful syntax I've seen for reading Sophocles is the one by Moorhouse (1982). On v. 21, Moorhouse covers this genitive construction on pg 55, noting that τάφου goes more readily with ἀτιμάζω (as you identified) but also can be linked with προτίω. A long time ago I did ...
by cb
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 29992

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

Hi Daivid, I haven't followed all the threads you allude to above, but it sounds like your confidence in learning Greek is gone. I'll give my recommendation in light of this, and then some thoughts on some of the points in this thread. Recommendation: Start again. Use the JACT Reading Greek course, ...
by cb
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 6259

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi, I think it is worth adding that the level of probability is not hard-coded into any particular word in the dictionary, but comes in each case from the context. This is why I completely agree with mwh that ἴσως could express this here. The context will set the level of probability. Looking at the...
by cb
Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 6259

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi mwh, completely agreed. Just to note I wasn't giving alternative suggestions for composing the thought in the original post, but responding to the post prior to mine about whether there were other ways of expressing "probably".

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?
Replies: 22
Views: 6259

Re: Was the sense “probably” for EIKOTΩΣ classical?

Hi, the verb κινδυνεύω can express probability, e.g. Plat. Rep. 9 571b: τῶν μὴ ἀναγκαίων ἡδονῶν τε καὶ ἐπιθυμιῶν δοκοῦσί τινές μοι εἶναι παράνομοι, αἳ κινδυνεύουσι μὲν ἐγγίγνεσθαι παντί, There are lots of other ways to express probability in addition to those mentioned above in the thread, e.g. ὡς τ...
by cb
Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Plato Philebus
Replies: 2
Views: 1499

Re: Plato Philebus

Hi, agreed with the above. Just to add my thoughts, I think ἀποτελουμένων is more likely to be middle than passive in Phileb. 54e, although it's a fuzzy line between the middle and the other voices in many cases. ἀποτελέω is a denominative (formed from the noun τέλος with the pre-verb ἀπο-) and so, ...
by cb
Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts
Replies: 7
Views: 3483

Re: Easiest Greek & Latin Authors/Texts

Hi Andrew, for Greek I'd say Euclid or other technical texts where simple repetitive structures are used by the author, and where the difficulty is more in the content than in the Greek itself.

Cheers, Chad
by cb
Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Frontinus, Stragegemata, short hard sentence
Replies: 9
Views: 5419

Re: Frontinus, Stragegemata, short hard sentence

Hi, I don't know syntax peculiarities of those authors outside the canon, but I suspect this is an example of a later construction of impersonal debet + inf.: see e.g. pages 122-123 of "Archaic Syntax in Indo-European: The Spread of Transitivity in Latin and French", section 3.4.1 (Verbs developing ...