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by seanjonesbw
Thu May 23, 2019 9:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:37 pm
I'm not saying never to use these things, but to make a good faith effort to work it out before using them.
ἀμήν
by seanjonesbw
Thu May 23, 2019 8:27 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

Look nothing up. Try to discern the meaning of unfamiliar words from context and from knowledge of related words (if you know φιλέω, φιλία is not that difficult). My experience has always been that I understand a lot more of the text than I think that I will from the initial panic of "Oh no, whatev...
by seanjonesbw
Thu May 23, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

You’ll notice that the method that I recommended is no different than using a lexicon, except with less time wasted page flipping. If you are following it, you will only be getting English input on words you would have to look up anyway. In fact, you’ll minimize English input from non-relevant usag...
by seanjonesbw
Thu May 23, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:50 pm
avoid interlinears -- not only do they tend to cripple your language acquisition, but they can cause severe health problems
If interlinears are bad for your health, then this 'interverbal' Homer must be deadly https://archive.org/details/odysseyofho ... e/page/210

Ulysses. Minerva. Yuck.
by seanjonesbw
Wed May 22, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

Or, if you're more interested in checking that you've got the forms right than the sense of the sentence, then you might find it useful searching archive.org with the name of the work you're reading + "interlinear" or "literal". There are loads of 19th century interlinears e.g. Xenophon's Anabasis -...
by seanjonesbw
Wed May 22, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most literal translations with facing texts?
Replies: 20
Views: 290

Re: Most literal translations with facing texts?

If you're not fussed about having a physical copy, there's normally one English translation for each text on Perseus that's pretty literal without becoming nonsensical, and you can bring it up next to the Greek text using the load link (you probably already know that, but I think 'focus' and 'load' ...
by seanjonesbw
Tue May 21, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 197

Re: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

donhamiltontx wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 3:20 pm
Facing vocabulary and grammar notes:
Thanks! The Daphnis and Chloe is Bolchazy-Carducci so I've added Longus to their existing listing.
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 20, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 197

Re: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

RandyGibbons wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:21 pm
The intermediate Greek readers from Nimis and Hayes, for example, these works from the Hippocratic Corpus.
Thanks Randy - the Lucian I mentioned in my post was actually a Nimis and Hayes edition. They've got a really good thing going on with that series.
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 20, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 197

Re: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

mahasacham wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:59 pm
Bolchazy-Carducci publishers

http://www.bolchazy.com/Greek-C1071.aspx
Thanks! I'll add them to the list. I just took a quick look through - am I right in saying that some of them have vocab and notes on the same page (like the Homer) and others have facing-page translations?
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 20, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Pindar, Pythian 1
Replies: 4
Views: 150

Re: Pindar, Pythian 1

seneca2008 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 12:08 pm
You will find this link helpful http://hypotactic.com/latin/index.html?Use_Id=pythians.
What an amazing resource! I wish I'd had this when I was trying to puzzle out hexameter.
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 20, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary
Replies: 6
Views: 197

Greek with same/facing page vocab and commentary

I've noticed that there are a few more intermediate Greek readers than there used to be with a decent amount of vocabulary and commentary either below the text on the same page or on the facing page. Everyone seems to have heard of Geoffrey Steadman's ongoing series and I've also enjoyed Stephen Nim...
by seanjonesbw
Sun May 12, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 2 years of Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 5828

Re: 2 years of Greek

Thanks!
by seanjonesbw
Sun May 12, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Ϝ in Homer
Replies: 32
Views: 13377

Re: Ϝ in Homer

I happened across Thompson's 1890 treatment of the F question when I was looking for something else - pages 4-11 here https://archive.org/details/homericgrammar00thomgoog/page/n24 It was an interesting read, but then I have no idea how many of the ideas he introduces would be seen as suspect or comp...
by seanjonesbw
Sun May 12, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 2 years of Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 5828

Re: 2 years of Greek

I found after my daughter was born that the amount of time where I wasn't looking after her, working, cooking or utterly, cosmically exhausted added up to exactly zero hours per day, so congratulations for keeping at it with two kids under 3! I took a look back through some of your posts about unsee...
by seanjonesbw
Fri May 10, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: 2 years of Greek
Replies: 11
Views: 5828

Re: 2 years of Greek

Hi Joel, did you ever update this for year 4 and beyond? I got completely invested in the first three seasons and I'm dying to know what happens next
by seanjonesbw
Wed May 08, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

P.s. Thanks for introducing me to the periodic sentence - I found this corker in the New York Times today after you mentioned it: "By the time Origi scored the fourth — a brilliantly clever corner routine, orchestrated by Trent Alexander-Arnold — the goal that returns Liverpool to the Champions Leag...
by seanjonesbw
Wed May 08, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

I read the Hale you linked to and he's a real breath of fresh air! It reminds me of the first time I read the introduction to Pharr - I love it when classicists slag off each other's pedagogy. I completely agree with his and your distinction between syntax and the plan of the sentence - anticipatory...
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 06, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

I disagree though that reading a colour-coded text would be "not reading at all". Each writer has their own syntactical rhythms, and when I get to know a writer I start to anticipate how the sentence is going to pan out when I start reading it, and 'feel' when the verb or subject is going to arrive....
by seanjonesbw
Mon May 06, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

My leg is well and truly pulled
by seanjonesbw
Thu May 02, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Re: Colour-coded Greek texts

Thanks, Randy, that's so interesting! I'd love to read more about it if anyone did have a link to some material. In the meantime, I guess I'll just have to keep trying to comprehend subjects and verbs in black and white.
by seanjonesbw
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Colour-coded Greek texts
Replies: 9
Views: 430

Colour-coded Greek texts

Is anyone aware of any attempts to colour-code Greek texts to mark, for example, main verbs, nouns in the nominative, accusative, particles etc.? I always find when I'm reading a new writer with unusual (for me) syntax that I get tired hunting around for subjects and verbs - I'd be interested to see...
by seanjonesbw
Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:23 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Anyone interested in a Greek reading group for the Odyssey
Replies: 9
Views: 3116

Re: Anyone interested in a Greek reading group for the Odyss

I think this is a great idea. I've been following the GreekStudy collation mailing list for the Iliad but that's only really useful for comparing translations so I would be totally up for a more in-depth reading group. I think Altair's suggestion is a good one and I'd be happy to take on the role of...
by seanjonesbw
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Scanning Iliad 1.3
Replies: 5
Views: 2872

Re: Scanning Iliad 1.3

That's good advice - I'm not really sure how much of a breather to take at the caesura.
by seanjonesbw
Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Scanning Iliad 1.3
Replies: 5
Views: 2872

Re: Scanning Iliad 1.3

Thanks! I'm planning to commit the first few lines to memory so it's a huge help knowing I've not completely messed it up.
by seanjonesbw
Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:48 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Scanning Iliad 1.3
Replies: 5
Views: 2872

Scanning Iliad 1.3

I'm now pretty comfortable with the metrics of the first two lines of the Iliad based on the discussion in Pharr and elsewhere, but I'm stuck with line 3 based on the rules I've learnt. I can hear the vowel lengths in the first two lines in the Annis recordings but they all sound equal in the record...
by seanjonesbw
Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:08 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty
Replies: 15
Views: 9413

Re: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty

i'd be interested to know, from those who've voted above, what was it in particular that you had in mind when you voted someone as super difficult, compared to an author as easier, i.e. what criterion did you use as your rule of thumb? was it e.g. still bashing your palm into your forehead when rea...
by seanjonesbw
Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty
Replies: 15
Views: 9413

Re: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty

To kick things off

Homer 3
Hesiod 4
Lyric Poets (or not grouped together?) 6
Aeschylus 5
Sophocles 6
Euripides 6
Aristophanes 4
Plato 2
Aristotle 2
Herodotus 2
Xenophon 1
Thucydides 5
Demosthenes 4
Archimedes ?
Euclid ?
Septuagint 1
New Testament 0
by seanjonesbw
Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ranking Greek writers by difficulty
Replies: 15
Views: 9413

Ranking Greek writers by difficulty

I think you'll find, as you progress, that this scale of measurement, which may work for modern foreign languages, isn't really useful or valid for ancient Greek. Some texts are easier than others; some authors have a style that's very difficult. Plato reads somewhat more easily for me at least tha...
by seanjonesbw
Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Difficulty of Homer?
Replies: 4
Views: 6155

Re: Difficulty of Homer?

Thanks so much for your reply, that's really great advice and I've plunged right in.
by seanjonesbw
Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:58 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Difficulty of Homer?
Replies: 4
Views: 6155

Difficulty of Homer?

While I was at university, I studied Koine as part of my Theology degree and can trot through most of the New Testament now without too much vocab-checking. I've been investigating Homeric on and off with Pharr for the past six months without getting more than my feet wet, but as have some more time...
by seanjonesbw
Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:15 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Wayback Greekgeek Pharr Key has disappeared
Replies: 13
Views: 10757

Re: Wayback Greekgeek Pharr Key has disappeared

False alarm! It's back. Thank you so much for your reply.
by seanjonesbw
Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:55 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Wayback Greekgeek Pharr Key has disappeared
Replies: 13
Views: 10757

Wayback Greekgeek Pharr Key has disappeared

Hello, Does anyone have a mirror of the greekgeek.org answer key for Pharr saved? The Wayback machine has been down, I think because the current owners of the domain have denied access through robots.txt. http://web.archive.org/web/20080529041237/http://www.greekgeek.org/ Obviously if anyone knows a...
by seanjonesbw
Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Linguistic terminology
Replies: 2
Views: 1195

That looks to be very helpful, from a quick glance at the links. Much better than trudging through an entire book of english grammar. Thank you very much, don't think I would have found these by myself.

Sean
by seanjonesbw
Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Linguistic terminology
Replies: 2
Views: 1195

Linguistic terminology

I have been learning Greek from an old Teach Yourself (F Kinchin Smith) and while I find the vocabulary and grammar fine to pick up when well explained, the sections where masses of terms are used to describe words are difficult to follow. I assume this is because I have never formally followed any ...