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by AVRAHAM
Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:03 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: translation NT
Replies: 11
Views: 7496

thanks for your link my question is the translation for " 1. colossian, vers 13 & 14 ". i don't like to have the text of this vers. i like to have the translation of the number 1 then the translation for colossain and the correct word in greek for "vers" etc. so shortly, how does it looks in greek:...
by AVRAHAM
Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:20 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: finished with the basics
Replies: 3
Views: 3825

Re: finished with the basics

so now I'm finished with the basics (all of Mounce's material) and I've started going through John's gospel using my UBS rev 4 Greek NT and an "interlinear" to check my translation. (this particular interlinear has the NIV on one side of the page and the NASB on the other,real helpful,the NASB tran...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:10 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Pronunciation?
Replies: 12
Views: 10969

Pronunciation?

I know this is an old, and irrelavant topic for a language that is dead, unspoken, and strictly liturgical. But it is important for me. I learned a way to pronounce Hebrew, and for years I was doing it wrong. It turns out that Modern Hebrew now utilizes European pronunciation, and when people learn ...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:25 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: A Good Laugh
Replies: 44
Views: 37891

I wasn't assigning any evaluation to the term. You had said that the message "introduces" interpretation... my point was simply that all translations do. ;) I agree. Doing some interpreting is unavoidable if you are translating. The little quote from The Message makes me think that it is more a poo...
by AVRAHAM
Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:47 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NIV wackiness (James 2)
Replies: 10
Views: 9197

That doesn't make sense, though, if the author himself was using specifically religious wording on purpose (which he was). Why would we move away from religious connotation in the language? Care to elaborate? The word in question, as far as I can see, is used quite extensively in secular writing, b...
by AVRAHAM
Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:14 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: NIV wackiness (James 2)
Replies: 10
Views: 9197

My first guess would be "- Conformity to the King James Version in "popular" verses". Too often I find passages translated out of tradition. And a fear to make a popular verse sound weird or strange. Let's also not forget that the NIV is a dynamic equivalent. And has a higher paraphrase rate, and di...
by AVRAHAM
Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:23 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: GEN 37:15 in LXX
Replies: 2
Views: 3770

GEN 37:15 in LXX

Hey all, I was wondering what people thought about this passage in Genesis 37:15 . I know it's more of a theological question, but I'm wondering about what the text implies here. I read this in Hebrew and Greek. The story seems very odd to me, and uses odd wording. In Hebrew: .וַיִּמְצָ?ֵהוּ ?ִיש?, ...
by AVRAHAM
Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:15 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856


by AVRAHAM
Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:13 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856

So which is more important than? When one says "this is what the writer REALLY meant to say", are they not adding their own ideas to the text? And thus spoiling it, on both a spiritual AND textual basis? I mean, some things are so idiomatic, that grammar requires a translation to compensate. However...
by AVRAHAM
Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:42 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856

Good stuff Lost Cause (you too, huh? :) ). I was wondering if anyone knew if other ancient texts, Greek or otherwise has this translation dilema? And if so, or if not, why on either? Also, a note: As far as I understand all the contemporary translations in the States use USB4 (generally equal to NA2...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:25 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856

Perhaps "common theme" would have been better stated "popular theme". As far as what you say, I concur. I also agree that just so long as something is considered a paraphrase, and not a translation, I suppose that's fine. As long as a distinction is made.
by AVRAHAM
Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:48 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856

Okay. I have more to ask here than just a translation. I do have lexica. Well, I have noticed that there is a common theme with Christians, who translate the New Testament. That the idea is "not to find the best way to put the Greek into English, but the best way to give the meaning of what the orig...
by AVRAHAM
Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:39 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: LUKE 11:17b ?
Replies: 19
Views: 15856

LUKE 11:17b ?

I was curious what anyone's take was on the English translation of Luke 11:17b ? In Greek it reads: " πᾶσα βασιλει?α ἐφ᾿ ἑαυτὴν διαμε?ισθεῖσα, ἐ?ημοῦται, καὶ οἶκος ἐπὶ οἶκον, πι?πτει ." I translate this as "Any kingdom divided against itself will become desolate, and any house against itse...
by AVRAHAM
Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Well, I know in the sates at least, education has dwindled drastically. Whether it is lazy students, dumbded-down courses, less requirements and expectations, technological/entertainment distractions, culture, or what. Or a combination of them all. Here, education is certainly diminishing. It's an e...
by AVRAHAM
Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

It sounds very good Thesaurus. Quite encouraging. From the sound of it, it may be easy enough, not too long, and not to many books. Of course, purchasing a lexicon will come. And some ancient texts..... But nothing to worry about for now. I have to always say, Hebrew was very easy to me. Greek, very...
by AVRAHAM
Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:46 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Ah, looks very good. Thank you. The example texts all taken from Classical writings. Has to be the hard cover of course. To this bibliophile paperback is a sacrilege. Only $20. also. Even this poor monk could afford that. Well, soon hopefully. I almost bought it last night with my debit card. My usu...
by AVRAHAM
Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:52 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Ah, so then it seems that Latin indeed does have a semitic origin. Very interesting. Thank you all. It is most fascinating. However, this is only the alphabet then? No relation with the language itself? Chris: ahhh.... Ego possum lego Latine. Non bona. Sorry. I think I just angered the Roman gods. I...
by AVRAHAM
Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

I do remember learning as a kid, something about language or writing originating in Phoenicia. But, as you can see, it is a wild claim. That's why I brought it up. Thanks for your input!
by AVRAHAM
Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:34 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Okay. I wrapped up Ecclesiastical Latin. After Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic, Latin is pretty easy. Well, Ecclesiastical at least. So now I move on to Classical. I have some gret books from here downloaded. However, I want a physical book also, that I can take anywhere. But, sadly, right now I cannot ev...
by AVRAHAM
Sat Feb 24, 2007 6:01 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Israel/Hezbollah
Replies: 161
Views: 52992

Now, now people. Let's not turn this forum into another middle-east crisis. People have different beliefs. And many times, it seams insane that a person would believe somethig that seems so rediculous. It's almost as if they are intentionally being ignorant, or hostile. But they are not. It is just ...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

EgoIoYoEu: "ב?מת ברוך ה Sorry guys. I ended up going with Ecclesiastical Latin. One of the reasons was, is that it did not seem quite as extensive as Classical Latin. And with my work on Hebrew, Arabic, and Koine greek, I was scared of a new, hard language. However, fear not. I got a really cool Ecc...
by AVRAHAM
Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

How many words? Or shoreshim? Thant is, the root words? Hmmm...... Good question. I never counted. Let me see. One, two, three...... :) sorry. I am not sure. But from what I can find, it appears the ammount of root words number 2,050. Also it is important to point out that many words in Hebrew are u...
by AVRAHAM
Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:16 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Indeed, Greek and Latin are not related to Hebrew. However, Hebrew is certainly an easy language. For those of you who are linguists (I know many of you are from some fancy terms used anound here :)), you will know what the term economic means. Hebrew is the most economic language I ever studied. It...
by AVRAHAM
Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:59 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

Great! Thanks Deses for the pointers. Much appreciated.
by AVRAHAM
Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:40 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?
Replies: 44
Views: 16211

CLASSICAL? ECCLESIASTICAL? JEROME'S VULGATE?

I was just wondering if anyone can help. I am about to take up Latin. I know Hebrew, Arabic, and Koine Greek. So, I wanted to take up Latin as well. I do want to learn Clasical Latin. However, my spiritual quest is palpable. I want to learn first how to read my Biblia Sacra Vulgata by Jerome. So whi...
by AVRAHAM
Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:01 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Israel/Hezbollah
Replies: 161
Views: 52992

I am implying that there are different level of spiritual devotion in Judaism, and that some views are more correct than others. This does of course lead into opinions and theologies. That I am not attempting to dispute, or offend. What exactly it means to be "Jewish" is very disputed and ambiguous....
by AVRAHAM
Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Israel/Hezbollah
Replies: 161
Views: 52992

Though I cannot affirm that all PeterD has ever wrote or believes in is sound, I can certainly say that this last post is without a doubt. I completely concur with what is stated in it, and it is refreshing to hear someone who is not ignotant to the affairs of the world. I come from a Jewish backgro...
by AVRAHAM
Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:08 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: COMPARING GREEK LXX WITH HEBREW OT
Replies: 8
Views: 7642

Very good. "?וניברסיטה". Anglicised as most modern non-Biblical words in Hebrew. I agree with Agrippa for his reference. However, I'm just saying in general, the word is used as "land". As far as evidence for my understanding of ?ָרֶץ eretz....well, lets see....... well, I am afraid I cannot list th...
by AVRAHAM
Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:02 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: COMPARING GREEK LXX WITH HEBREW OT
Replies: 8
Views: 7642

Thanks all!

Thank you Modus. Great input. You too Paul. And you sound like, in your opinion, the use of πα?θενοσ, despite other definitions, here is cannoted as virgin. That's what would have been understood by the original writers and readers of the time. Chris Weimer: Yes I know enough Modern Hebrew to get by...
by AVRAHAM
Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:16 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: COMPARING GREEK LXX WITH HEBREW OT
Replies: 8
Views: 7642

COMPARING GREEK LXX WITH HEBREW OT

Greetings! My name is Avraham. I am fairly new here. I currently know Hebrew. I'd say enough to where I maybe need to look up 2 words at the most per chapter. So I read fairly well. I am currently studying Arabic and NT Greek. I am close to finishing with that. However, Greek is way harder than Hebr...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:05 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Hebrew Etymology
Replies: 6
Views: 7362

Hebrew Etymology

Hey Paul. I use "The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon" by Benjamin Davidson (ISBN-10: 0913573035 ISBN-13: 978-0913573037 ) by Hendrickson Pub. Everyone seems to like the BDB, but all the ones I see are designed for mainstream use. It focuses on the Strong's number system for instance. Bothersom...
by AVRAHAM
Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Israel/Hezbollah
Replies: 161
Views: 52992

ISRAEL'S RIGHT?

Please forgive me. I am new here. This is actually my forst post. I just happened to come acrossed this first and decided to respond. I am a former Jew, turned Christian. I know Hebrew, Arabic, and am working on Greek, soon Latin. Religion, politics... these are such sensitive topics. I will no doub...