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by whiteoctave
Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:00 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: European Union in Latin?
Replies: 15
Views: 3707

Not that I will be returning to discussing Latin nor using the term 'chop-busting' but I thought the mantle could be divided here. Varro (l.l.X) informs us that Accius was the first to employ Greek nouns in a declension drawn from the Greeks (although he still writes 'Europae' at trag.501); prior to...
by whiteoctave
Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Penguin Latin Dictionary
Replies: 2
Views: 1170

Penguin Latin Dictionary

Veterans of TK will recall my saying a few years ago that I was working as co-editor on a medium-size Latin dictionary which was attempting the novelty of including every word that occurs in 23 of the most common Latin authors (excluding proper names). These authors are: Plautus, Terence, Nepos, Cic...
by whiteoctave
Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:36 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Book list (the last of this, or indeed any, kind)
Replies: 7
Views: 2561

Book list (the last of this, or indeed any, kind)

Evening all, Rather than continue my seemingly insatiable seasonal posts of my Classical library on here, I thought I may circumnavigate the typical binds of courtesy and state that all the information in that particular department is now recorded at the blandly designed http://phileleutherus.fortun...
by whiteoctave
Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:36 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Why the Classics?
Replies: 31
Views: 9134

Classics, that is the ancient world in all its guises, literary, linguistic and otherwise, is such an all-encompassing and nigh unbounded field that either to ask what external benefit its study brings or to investigate what purpose Classicists pursue is, to me at any rate, as unintelligible as aski...
by whiteoctave
Sun May 14, 2006 5:14 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Learning Sanskrit
Replies: 24
Views: 8443

i learnt Skt from a linguistic point of view (specifically Vedic), using Macdonnell and Whitney. i have not troubled myself with the minutiae of devanagri.

~D
by whiteoctave
Sun May 14, 2006 9:21 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: catullus #1
Replies: 7
Views: 2403

arido , the reading of V, is without any doubt the correct reading. i transcribe the marginal note I've made in my OCT: ' arido certissime: pumex semper est Latine feminina. n.b. ad A.V.610 Seru. perperam affirmat Catullum arcum ut feminina ac turben ut neutra esse usum (ad VII.378). immo illam Enn...
by whiteoctave
Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:41 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: yay! Go Oxford!
Replies: 16
Views: 4751

bp definitely has some forthright and laudable aims in Classics.
as for the GN, i laid some down on numbersixvalverde at 11-1...

...SCORE!

(=books)

i hope you still have your proverbial thumb removed, e, re attaining the desiderata under examination.

~D
by whiteoctave
Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:55 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: yay! Go Oxford!
Replies: 16
Views: 4751

cambridge is the ultimate; oxford the last resort...
yes, we lost that, but a few hours before we won the varsity football, which brought me especial pleasure since my brother was in the oxford side.
david-i'll reply to your email in the relatively near future.
busy - classics etc.

~D
by whiteoctave
Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:20 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: as previously said...
Replies: 5
Views: 2364

all very odd; however there search will arguably be fruitless if they follow the suggestion 'ut prius dictum est', for the parenthetical 'as was said' would be something expressed actively. the phrase suggested is however common in medieval Latin. the active 'ut (supra) dixi', as D. suggests, is muc...
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:46 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Yes, I'm violating Hermann's Bridge...
Replies: 3
Views: 4830

yes, i presumed you were correpting, but i knew of no instance of a diphthong being correpted as the latter element of the biceps of the second foot. perhaps my unfamiliarity with the licence in this sedes, if parallels indeed exist, is from having not opened my Homer for half a dozen weeks. thalpei...
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:58 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Chaou, metaphorically, of course.
Replies: 2
Views: 4732

nice. diuitas strikes me as odd. atque is not to be used before a consonant save in clausulae. turba often takes 3rd pl. verbs - like euellunt - but an alternation between sg. and pl. should be avoided. it seems a bold move to coin the verb exincendo. maybe replace ibunt with delib. subj.? the genit...
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:29 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Yes, I'm violating Hermann's Bridge...
Replies: 3
Views: 4830

i don't understand the metre of huetou. the way to avoid breaking hermann's bridge here would be presumably to move hupeonta melathrou to the end of the line, change the compositional preposition of hupeonta (if possible), and put a new verb with the same meaning before it and after andr'. huetou wi...
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:24 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Greek elegaic
Replies: 2
Views: 4452

astea in line two is unmetrical; the asyndeton in line three is a little harsh, although the adjectives, which have a certain Callimachean bent, are not inapporpriate. there are some nice ionic features.

~D
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:19 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Book Dedication (Latin Elegiac Couplet)
Replies: 4
Views: 5850

metrically the pentameter is fine (although the switch from nobis to mihi, without any semantic force, is a little jarring). the hexameter however has a number of distinct problems. if it be stated that libellum scans as a bacchius (short-long-long) and illae as a spondee, you should perhaps be able...
by whiteoctave
Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Hendecasyllables
Replies: 16
Views: 5060

David, thanks, as ever, for your manifold and arrestingly sincere words. to respond briefly: all the information above was off the cuff (for knowing the details of various Latin metres is a must for verse composition, and I only gave two explicit references, both of which are important for the poem)...
by whiteoctave
Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:57 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What do you make of this?
Replies: 6
Views: 1845

mast is malus.

~D
by whiteoctave
Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Hendecasyllables
Replies: 16
Views: 5060

ah yes, hendecasyllabic banter, quid aliud? indeed the poem quoted above '? Lūc?' (Anglice = 'by Lucus') is in Phalaecian hendecasyllables, whose schema consists of a spondaic/trochaic/iambic initial base (de quis uide infra) followed by, in simple terms, a choriamb, then an amphibrach, then a spond...
by whiteoctave
Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:32 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: index librorum Classicorum hactenus nobis acquisitorum
Replies: 11
Views: 3261

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by whiteoctave
Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:40 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: index librorum Classicorum hactenus nobis acquisitorum
Replies: 11
Views: 3261

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by whiteoctave
Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:38 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: index librorum Classicorum hactenus nobis acquisitorum
Replies: 11
Views: 3261

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by whiteoctave
Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:05 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Olympics
Replies: 28
Views: 7547

i follow the Olympics as best as can be done in term time but do not find any particular annoyance with the Americans, for they distinctly are not dominating. in the current medal standings Germany (pop. 82 mil.), Austria (8 mil.) and Russia (143 mil.) hold the top three positions, whereas the US, w...
by whiteoctave
Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:15 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Time for a new Cunliffe cover...
Replies: 24
Views: 6164

very nice chad; i envy your Fraenkel Ag. not a little.
i have put some photos here (but 7 shelves are not pictured, and about 120 more books are currently with me at Uni).

http://www.freewebs.com/whiteoctave/bookphotos.htm

~D
by whiteoctave
Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Pronunciation of "iī"
Replies: 27
Views: 8891

you are right to question Lucus, Adelheid. for the following statement is made above: 'Much as Amadeus and I were recently discussing, short Latin 'i' and long Latin 'i' are always identical in quality, like the vowel of English "see." The difference is merely in relative quantity, in the duration o...
by whiteoctave
Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

glad to see all's as it should be Oxon. way, mrawesome.

~D
by whiteoctave
Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ablative of Place? The word is in the book
Replies: 22
Views: 6164

does anyone know what q.e.d. means?

~D
by whiteoctave
Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

was there ever anything but peace between us? this is all just healthy Classical banter. no less healthy is your apparently waning interest in macra, Lucus (ud. 'fiat').

~D
by whiteoctave
Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

this is intense! and stimulating! the only point worthy of response is, as per usual, mraig's. firstly, the distinction between impersonal verbs+infin. and infinitives as the subject of verbs is a nice, but nonetheless distinguishable, one. the very presence of ipsum in the former Ciceronian example...
by whiteoctave
Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

nostos, nostos. thank you for applying yourself to such a lengthy post, and to much avail. i will in future avoid to try and use objective fact recorded in 'books' in order to 'prove' anything, that seems a sound dictum to follow. as for amusing myself with Latin japes, i confess (atque expertus dic...
by whiteoctave
Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

postulat is not to be used impersonally, of course, but here its subject is provided by the infinitive, which, ut bene scis, serves as the equivalent of a nominative gerund.

~D
by whiteoctave
Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

sorry Lucus. i try as hard as i can to write Latin in a manner that becomes good Classicists, but it is difficult, you know? i'm sorry you didn't like the former example of mine as well. was that one a joke? i can never tell. in the latter i tried to use a more exotic rhetorical figure - i hear they...
by whiteoctave
Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

optime dicta, ut semper, mipiscope, ego enim cognoui studia Classica et in illa Iani uniuersitate inque illa Thucydidis misera inque omnibus aliis orbis terrarum academiis iamdudum fuisse miserabilia; Cant. tamen certe praetermitto. quam sapientissimus elegisti: puellas pulcherrimas (iam, mirabile d...
by whiteoctave
Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Vos operor non postulo ut exsisto dementis laboro hic tamen
Replies: 27
Views: 11947

your version is elegant and well-formed in both grammar and sense.
an alternative, should you wish, could be 'hic laborare dementes non postulat; eis tamen multo fauet.' or perhaps better still 'tu facio haud habeo duo esse rabiosus duo opus audio scopus id auxilia!!'.
choose your own and enjoy,

~D
by whiteoctave
Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:24 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A query for the advanced
Replies: 4
Views: 1676

it depends wherewith you set your standards. Seneca iunior was the true Latin bastion of 'te ipsum' or 'ipsum te' being used with the reflexive imperative, especially with the verb consule. Cicero, with whom most Latin prose composition wisely sets its mark, avoided this particular collocation with ...
by whiteoctave
Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Bucolic diaeresis
Replies: 5
Views: 3721

grates for your comments David. as you know i don't really post here any more, save for the times when i pass by and find that something is stated either too sweepingly or with unmerited assurance. my aim then is merely to clarify or refute the statement. since these amount to effectively the sum to...
by whiteoctave
Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:09 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: how do you say it? and a thought
Replies: 6
Views: 1904

i think it is going down the wrong route to say that either puera or puellus is a necessary step in the formation of the remarkably productive puella. simpler would be to posit the root stem puero- with the common feminine suffix (often found in diminutives) -la. *puerola would then of course underg...
by whiteoctave
Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Bucolic diaeresis
Replies: 5
Views: 3721

diaeresis is a completely spurious term without any foundation in ancient metrical theory, referring as it did to the division into equally sized metra of a given verse (as opposed to the modern sense of word-end coinciding with metron-end). August Boeckh in his Pindar first used the term diaeresis ...
by whiteoctave
Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: relative clause
Replies: 9
Views: 3274

no. read from that what you will.

~D
by whiteoctave
Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: relative clause
Replies: 9
Views: 3274

oh my, is not the attraction of the relative one of the most prevalent entries in the grammar books? (Mantuam is of course the antecedent but the relative pronoun is attracted into the gender of its complement). Benissimus, my good man? Lucus raises a good point with his important conditional 'if "q...
by whiteoctave
Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:21 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: First composition in Latin
Replies: 11
Views: 3090

this is all well and good. well done Andrus. your Latin is coming on well too, Lucus, although your use of atque before a consonant in a non-clausula position is bizarre to the say the least, and your positioning of the possessive pronoun with noun and adjective illuminating. i must also commend the...