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by jk0592
Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Mastronarde, 2nd edition, unit 12, example
Replies: 4
Views: 1445

Re: Mastronarde, 2nd edition, unit 12, example

Also, be aware that a neuter plural takes the singular verb.
by jk0592
Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:53 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Vocabulary Question
Replies: 3
Views: 1427

Re: Athenaze Vocabulary Question

You are quite right. If I recall, for example, the aorist passive is introduced in volume 2. However, the story unfolding from chapter to chapter is constructed so that only the introduced forms are used. So, if you start with Athenaze, it is better to stay with it for the full 2 volumes. However, I...
by jk0592
Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: is looking up words on perseus on dependency forming?
Replies: 8
Views: 3722

Re: is looking up words on perseus on dependency forming?

About two or three years ago, the perseus site was very difficult to load in navigator, so I lost interest in using it. I prefer using pdf versions of dictionaries, or even paper copies of them. it has not created a dependency here!
by jk0592
Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:22 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Monro?
Replies: 6
Views: 5610

Re: Monro?

It is available in google books.
by jk0592
Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a few more chapters to go.
Replies: 6
Views: 2250

Re: a few more chapters to go.

Athenaze 2 is much more difficult than volume 1. The stories become more and more difficult to read, and there is much more stuff to remember. Somehow the stories seem artificially filled with "exotic" tenses, irregular verbs, and complex sentence constructions. Stories from Thukydides are not easy ...
by jk0592
Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:20 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek font without shifting to polytonic?
Replies: 2
Views: 1181

Re: Greek font without shifting to polytonic?

Try the some of the fonts at http://www.greekfontsociety.gr/index.html . But you will still have to shif to polytonic...it is not a major problem ?
by jk0592
Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:04 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Possessive Genitive
Replies: 11
Views: 4222

Re: Possessive Genitive

What I mean is that we do not know the rest of the sentence, so there is no context to take iinto account. So I supposed that you extracted a part of a sentence, and that this "phrase" had "no grammatical relationship to the rest of the sentence" to quote Athenaze, and that it is therefore a genitiv...
by jk0592
Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Possessive Genitive
Replies: 11
Views: 4222

Re: Possessive Genitive

Out of context as it is, I would say it is genitive absolute.
by jk0592
Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: frustrated by verb stem/changes
Replies: 7
Views: 6705

Re: frustrated by verb stem/changes

I agree that Greek verbs are terribly complex.I have also spent countless hours searching in a dictionary hunting for a given verb. As your experience and vocabulary increase, it becomes somewhat faster, if not easier. Read as much Greek as you can, use all the tools at your disposal, dictionaries, ...
by jk0592
Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:46 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?
Replies: 12
Views: 7259

Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

In a similar vein, is there an ancient greek dictionary written in ancient greek?
When I read French, i use a French dictionary. When reading English, an English dictionary is called for, an English/French dictionary is not necessary.
by jk0592
Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: using two languages to learn A.G.
Replies: 7
Views: 2913

Re: using two languages to learn A.G.

I am french speaking, but I use Athenaze. Reading does not pose a problem, I try not to translate-read. The difficulty is the grammatical terms...perfect and pluperfect for example. And it seems that some verbs take direct object in ancient greek and in english, but not so in french. Gymnastics for ...
by jk0592
Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary vs. Athenaze
Replies: 5
Views: 5940

Re: Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary vs. Athenaze

This can only be decided by yourself, you choose what works best for you. I went with Athenaze.
Whatever your choice, stick with it until the end. All authors will cover roughly the same topics. The paths they follow differ of course, but overall the knowledge transmitted is more or less equivalent.
by jk0592
Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:53 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Printing errors in Pharr book still?
Replies: 8
Views: 6677

Re: Printing errors in Pharr book still?

And then you can use Google pdf The GoogleBook pdf is so much "heavier" than the Textkit version, and not of the same overall high quality as found in the Textkit version. The GoogleBooks version is not as convenient to use, navigating back and forth inside the document noticeably slow. One could a...
by jk0592
Sat May 09, 2009 9:16 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Printing errors in Pharr book still?
Replies: 8
Views: 6677

Re: Printing errors in Pharr book still?

Polyidos wrote: A quick comparison against the original edition, as available here on Textkit, shows that an entire page...
If this can be of any consolation to you, note that the Textkit pdf is missing pages 134 and 135, as well as pages 182 and 183.
by jk0592
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: listening to greek to connect sight and sound
Replies: 24
Views: 11043

Re: listening to greek to connect sight and sound

Hearing Greek being read did not help me per se. But certainly hearing the Iliad read by Stanley Lombardo did a lot to stimulate my studies when I started. I had pleasure in following the text as it was read. By the way,It was not difficult to transform the audio format to something that my ipod can...
by jk0592
Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:02 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Textbook versus authentic greek
Replies: 11
Views: 3668

Re: Textbook versus authentic greek

I also use Athenaze as my learning book. And when I reached the chapters you mention, such as the two Ecclesia, my reading when to almost a standstill. I blame Thucydides as being too complicated...The chapters further down, those based on Herodotus for example, are much better in the reading depart...
by jk0592
Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Adobe Reader Setup Problems and Text Copying
Replies: 4
Views: 2587

Re: Adobe Reader Setup Problems and Text Copying

One easy solution which works on the MacIntosh, is to use Preview to cut the pdf text, and paste it in Pages. There you can easily enlarge the pdf selection to make it more readable. For some reason, Apple supports pdf manipulation extremely well in its applications.
by jk0592
Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek inscriptions, anyone?
Replies: 5
Views: 2108

Re: Greek inscriptions, anyone?

There is the web site http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/, but i suppose you already found that one. It has Delphi inscriptions somewhere inside the web site. I do not know if this is what you are looking for. I am a completely ignorant as to the nature of inscriptions.
by jk0592
Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek dictionaries downloadable
Replies: 1
Views: 2322

Re: Greek dictionaries downloadable

The Bailly is indeed a wonderful dictionary, I use it very often. The Grand Bailly is available in paper from various booksellers. The abridged version available in pdf is also very useful, except for a few scanned pages that are mixed up and one missing.
by jk0592
Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Diogenes software!!!
Replies: 27
Views: 27528

Re: Diogenes software!!!

Thanks Amadeus, the dictionary functions very well and is very useful. At first, I was at a loss for the TLG database, but as you mentioned, the "Look up a word in the dictionary" does not necessitate any such database. It is very convenient, as I was to use cut and paste on a word from Herodotus an...
by jk0592
Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is there "absolute accusative" ?
Replies: 8
Views: 4675

Re: Is there "absolute accusative" ?

Here is what I have in Athenaze, Volume 2, p 172, "The Accusative Absolute",
"Another adverbial use of the accusative case is the accusative absolute, used with participles of impersonal verbs instead of the genitive absolute". (Then follow some examples).
by jk0592
Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:59 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Lesson IV, typo?
Replies: 7
Views: 4424

Re: Lesson IV, typo?

From Athenaze Volume 2, page 308, φᾑς is present indicative second person singular, while φῇς is present subjunctive second person singular. In the vocabulary section, φημι is mentioned as a postpositive enclictic.
by jk0592
Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:37 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Iliad A Multilingual Parsed interlinear Text
Replies: 19
Views: 27383

Re: The Iliad A Multilingual Parsed interlinear Text

The 1888 Thomas Clark interlinear text of the Iliad is available piece by piece at http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-te ... -iliad.asp, as well as on Google books. Although one cannot search the pdf because it is in image form, it is quite readable.
by jk0592
Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Forum Board
Replies: 26
Views: 37796

Re: New Forum Board

This is a very nice change from the old forum layout. Even though we are preoccupied with ancient languages, it is refreshing to finally have a modern look and feel to this forum.
I am very happy, and congratulate all of you who have worked for the benefit of this forum users.
by jk0592
Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Beginners Textbook for Attic Greek?
Replies: 2
Views: 1187

I agree. Athenaze volume 1 is relatively easy, and volume 2 is much more demanding, in my opinion.
by jk0592
Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Textbook for Autodidact?
Replies: 12
Views: 5203

I have never used a key with Athenaze...With some work, it gets clear what are the answers. Plus, if you go back to previous chapters as you gain extra knowledge, and with your vocabulary that expands, there are no reason why you would need a key. The main difficulty with learning on your own as an ...
by jk0592
Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Textbook for Autodidact?
Replies: 12
Views: 5203

I agree with giving a try at Athenaze. Volume 1 is easy going, and Volume 2 is much more involved.
by jk0592
Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best Textbook for Autodidact?
Replies: 12
Views: 5203

It is very difficult to follow many grammars at the same time. The best way to go is to choose one and stick with it until you reach the end of the book.
Then you go to another grammar, and hopefully read some real Greek texts at the same time.
by jk0592
Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:09 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Monro?
Replies: 6
Views: 5610

I would say as soon as possible. But it might be a good idea to go through quite a few Lessons in Pharr before, or whatever book you are using for Homeric studies. This is to make sure you are having fun with learning Greek, and then when you wish for more details than Pharr provides, you have Monro...
by jk0592
Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:47 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Back to square one...
Replies: 18
Views: 9713

Well, according to Pharr, we have μῆνις,ιος,ἡ (60) which is the same type as πόλις,ιος, ἡ, (704). So, since we have at the acccusative singular πόλιν, we therefore have μῆνιν.
There are quite a few variants in the third declension, and it is painful to memorize them.
by jk0592
Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:30 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ancient Music
Replies: 6
Views: 2164

You can also find 1 CD of ancient greek musique if you go to the iTunes music store and search for "Musique de la Grèce Antique" .
by jk0592
Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:49 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek for practical communication?
Replies: 7
Views: 3695

Or learn and use Sumerian or Ancient Egyptian in your diary. Anyone who deciphers the contents is worthy of reading it.
by jk0592
Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I Want to Read Homeric Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 2659

Another alternative is to use the book "Homeric Greek" by Pharr. It is available for free as a pdf file on this site. It brings you quite quickly to the Iliad, by Lesson 13.
by jk0592
Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Elision
Replies: 3
Views: 1800

Look up the Greek Grammar by Smyth, pp 23-24, paragraphs 70-75 where there is a lot of discussion. To quote Smyth, "Elision is the expulsion of a short vowel at the end of a word beginning with a vowel. An apostrophe marks the place where the vowel is elided." I think you must be careful when using ...
by jk0592
Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek or Latin
Replies: 20
Views: 7404

A long time ago, I hunted down the first edition of "The Sleepwalkers", after reading it.
by jk0592
Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most difficult text
Replies: 6
Views: 2881

The History by Thucydides. For some reason, every other sentence takes me a good fraction of an hour to understand.
by jk0592
Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:20 pm
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Differentiating 1st-S./3rd-Pl. person in imp. ind. active
Replies: 6
Views: 10466

I think that πέμπειν is infinitive.
by jk0592
Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:01 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Most commonly used Greek words?
Replies: 8
Views: 6686

vir litterarum, thank you for a most useful pointer. I was not aware of this capability within Perseus.
by jk0592
Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: title of Harry Poter book in Greek.
Replies: 3
Views: 1891

The 1883 Liddell Scott reports that λίθος can be masculine or feminine. It also reports that special stones, such as magnets or precious stones are always feminine.
by jk0592
Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek or Latin
Replies: 20
Views: 7404

...and Isaac Newton et al. lure me to learn Latin
And physics also, I hope.