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by thesaurus
Fri May 13, 2016 4:13 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Refreshing a language
Replies: 32
Views: 14944

Re: Refreshing a language

Greek and Latin enthusiasts seem generally to fall into the camp of "look up, annotate, and memorize every unknown word and construction" but I agree, jeidsath, that sometimes it's best to just get on with the reading. If I get tripped up here and there, so be it. If it's something you need to know,...
by thesaurus
Tue May 03, 2016 4:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Livy
Replies: 8
Views: 3719

Re: Livy

Hylander wrote:What a fool I was for trying to explain this.
I appreciate the explanation, especially since I definitely forgot all of my original reasoning.

Someone will undoubtedly google this phrase in the future and read your explanation.
by thesaurus
Mon May 02, 2016 2:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Livy
Replies: 8
Views: 3719

Re: Livy

It's always funny when an old thread gets dredged up from years ago. I find myself reading my old posts and thinking that I used to be sharper than I am now (although I'm not sure I've ever been a "learned and erudite" moderator.) Romans did not write rubbish I'll just say that our perspective is ev...
by thesaurus
Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: NEED HELP!
Replies: 7
Views: 2548

Re: NEED HELP!

Why not get it tattooed in English?
by thesaurus
Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: infinitive in chapter 8 fabellae latina
Replies: 14
Views: 4115

Re: infinitive in chapter 8 fabellae latina

The Rex scire and Caesar milites sentences are formally ambiguous. Are they supposed to be ambiguous, or is it mistaken (or am I missing the point of the examples)? Rex scire uolebat, quid populus de se cogitaret. (indirect question) Wouldn't this translate as "the king wanted to know what the peop...
by thesaurus
Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The Mental Utility and Profit of Studying Latin
Replies: 19
Views: 7829

Re: The Mental Utility and Profit of Studying Latin

Cicero himself did not consider himself a lawyer, candidly admitting his ignorance of the law, and famously derided the practice of law (the iurisconsulti) as being a simple skill that anyone could learn. Can you direct me to some passages where Cicero talks about this? I was always under the impre...
by thesaurus
Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:19 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The Mental Utility and Profit of Studying Latin
Replies: 19
Views: 7829

Re: The Mental Utility and Profit of Studying Latin

If you want to improve your English style, both written and spoken, I recommend that you spend your time studying and imitating great English writers and speakers. Studying Latin is fun and certainly improves your concentration, memory, attention to detail, etc. Of course, it also allows you to dire...
by thesaurus
Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:06 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Re-Organizing the Forums
Replies: 56
Views: 35978

Re: Re-Organizing the Forums

I'm going to make the unorthodox suggestion that at least the Latin forums all be condensed into one--no distinctions for different text books. This is just based on my experience with other forums, where I find that the more active a board is the better. I don't think Textkit has an overwhelming nu...
by thesaurus
Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:05 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Cicero's in Verrem 1.1.7
Replies: 7
Views: 2745

Re: Cicero's in Verrem 1.1.7

Bart wrote: After In Verrem I will read Pro Archia and then, at long last, the Aeneid. I can't wait.
You might be in for a long wait then, because In Verrem is a looong speech. I would be surprised if it it weren't Cicero's longest...
by thesaurus
Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's so hard about learning Latin?
Replies: 6
Views: 3237

Re: What's so hard about learning Latin?

With a few exceptions, as swtwentyman notes, learning the grammatical concepts is probably one of the easier parts. This is especially true if you've studied other languages before. Moving from a conceptual understanding of the grammar to actually reading continuous text is where the trouble lies. H...
by thesaurus
Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 'Core' Latin Curriculum
Replies: 11
Views: 3753

Re: 'Core' Latin Curriculum

Off hand, I can't think of anything more boring than Ovid's Ars Amatoria, though I can see how it might interest women more than Caesar. I suspect all this poetry has everything to do with the feminization of faculty in schools and colleges. That's a pretty ridiculous stereotype. Only men wrote and...
by thesaurus
Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: re vera
Replies: 2
Views: 1517

Re: re vera

As that article notes, you frequently see it combined as one word:
"(sometimes as one word, reverā), in fact, really, in truth, indeed, in reality
by thesaurus
Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: translation check please
Replies: 5
Views: 1742

Re: translation check please

In reference to what Thesaurus said, is the outer sandwich omni spe .....ablata, and the inner sandwich pacis..... conciliandae? Also I changed the translation to read " Afterwards, with all hope of reconciling the peace between Pyrrus and the Romans destroyed, Fabricius elected consul was sent aga...
by thesaurus
Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:16 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Future of Textkit
Replies: 45
Views: 23220

Re: Future of Textkit

Thanks to everyone for teaming up to take on the spam and backlogs. I had been trying to do it for a while, but then life got in the way (Peace Corps, then a baby!), so I sadly was not keeping up with mod duties.
by thesaurus
Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: translation check please
Replies: 5
Views: 1742

Re: translation check please

The "sandwich effect" is especially common in ablative absolute constructions, where the noun (spe) and participle (concilianda) are the bread. The size of the sandwich can be quite substantial in some cases with long constructions. This is an interesting example because it has the second sandwich i...
by thesaurus
Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween
Replies: 7
Views: 2196

Re: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween

For Halloween, I agree that a short expression is much more usable and would suggest a simple transliteration like Halovēnum/Hallovīnum/Halovīnum . This is what almost every other language does and so it would make sense to do that in Latin: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Halloween#Translations I w...
by thesaurus
Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Texts with free (e.g. out-of-copyright) online commentaries?
Replies: 3
Views: 1639

Re: Texts with free (e.g. out-of-copyright) online commentar

Whenever I google an exact quotation from a Latin classic, google *usually* dredges up old texts with commentaries. http://tinyurl.com/ofr3wx4 For example, this tinyurl points to a google search on "quos curriculo pulverem" points to a search on a phrase from Horace, Odes, book 1, ode 1. If you loo...
by thesaurus
Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:54 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: well... it's certainly been a circuitous homecoming!
Replies: 1
Views: 1771

Re: well... it's certainly been a circuitous homecoming!

Greetings. Interesting to read your story. I was in a PhD program to become a Victorianist, but I eventually decided that wasn't how I wanted to spend my life and left with my MA. At the time I was also mixing in graduate classics courses and was contemplating some sort of comparative literature Vic...
by thesaurus
Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 25946

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

Interaxus wrote:I know a young guy who speaks Latin as fluently as his own native language. I have no hope of emulating him, but he’s a reminder that there’s a spoken language lurking behind the printed words.
How did this come about, may I ask?
by thesaurus
Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Monolingual Latin Dictionary
Replies: 65
Views: 25946

Re: Monolingual Latin Dictionary

The best option might be to put an existing monolingual Latin dictionary online in a text-searchable format, perhaps just the head words. I'd vote for Frocellini. I actually started looking into this project a few years ago, as I had access to the full text, but I had too much else going on and aban...
by thesaurus
Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Henle Latin
Replies: 1
Views: 1131

Re: Henle Latin

IS it reasonable to think you will be able to read Latin fluently or pretty well after finishing Henle I, Henle II, Henle III, and Henle IV? How modified are the Latin sentences he uses? They seem to be modified and adapted to be easier. I Would not want to spend that much time while not receiving ...
by thesaurus
Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:43 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Translating "less than should have been"
Replies: 3
Views: 1329

Re: Translating "less than should have been"

Given the following English-to-Latin translation: "Yet the oath of his own son and the evil deeds that it had wrought did injury to the design of the king, and he had less aid than should have been." Sed ius iurandum ipsius filii et scelera ex eo orta ita consilium regis laeserunt ut minus adiument...
by thesaurus
Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:29 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Uhhhh....it's been a while....do I still know anyone here?
Replies: 9
Views: 4010

Re: Uhhhh....it's been a while....do I still know anyone her

I didn't hang out on the Greek side of the forums so much, but I'm a aparently a moderately old fart at this point, having registred in 2006... time does fly. After learning enough Greek to read basic texts, I've completely let it go. I still try to keep up with my Latin. Currently re-reading books ...
by thesaurus
Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Book after Caesar?
Replies: 9
Views: 3306

Re: Book after Caesar?

I would recommend some of Cicero's philosophical writings. Unless you find them too boring for you, you should find that they are more straightforward than his orations because there are fewer rhetorical flourishes. De Amicitia and De senectute are pleasant and probably accessible at your level. As ...
by thesaurus
Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Best Order to Use LLPSI Readers and Supplements?
Replies: 7
Views: 3920

Re: Best Order to Use LLPSI Readers and Supplements?

I would suggest that you first read whichever ones sound most interesting to you. There isn't a secret order you can read them. If you find one is too hard, you could switch to another and see how you fare. However, if they all specify that they're suitable at a certain point, then you shouldn't hav...
by thesaurus
Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Thinking about reading Seneca. Where to start?
Replies: 3
Views: 1909

Re: Thinking about reading Seneca. Where to start?

A few years ago I started Seneca by just reading a bunch of his Epistulae Morales, more or less at random. As Qimmik points out, they are short and snappy (a difference of Silver/Golden age Latin) and low commitment. De Brevitate Vitae which is also pretty accessible. I don't recall having any parti...
by thesaurus
Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Chapter 22 workbook translating English to Latin
Replies: 1
Views: 3564

Re: Chapter 22 workbook translating English to Latin

I don't see any ambiguity. Technically either accusative could be the object of iussit, but in having "rem publicam periculo" together implies that it's the republic that's being modified by the ablative of separation here.
by thesaurus
Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: cur 'quem' sed non 'quod'
Replies: 12
Views: 3875

Re: cur 'quem' sed non 'quod'

It's not a good idea for students reading a text designed as a teaching tool to shrug their shoulders and keep on reading when they encounter something they don't understand. I certainly agree, especially when starting out. When learning the rudiments of a language, we should be attentive to detail...
by thesaurus
Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: cur 'quem' sed non 'quod'
Replies: 12
Views: 3875

Re: cur 'quem' sed non 'quod'

Of course given that one has to train one's mind to carefully to read Latin when one is learning, such attention to detail can be problematic if, as you say, texts aren't always reliable. Or you can do what I do and just shrug your shoulders and keep reading when something like this crops up :) Som...
by thesaurus
Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Ex bello tam tristi...
Replies: 4
Views: 1642

Re: Ex bello tam tristi...

Looks good. I would suggest that the positioning of "repente" in the middle of "laeta pax" gives us "the sudden/unexpected, happy peace."
by thesaurus
Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Digital dictionaries: Forcellini
Replies: 34
Views: 25573

Re: Digital dictionaries: Forcellini

Great resource!

I had talked on this forum about scanning/OCR the Forcellini books back in 2008, but it was a daunting project and I never got it off the ground.

Glad to see that you've made this resource more widely available.
by thesaurus
Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Subjunctive "amere" with nefas?
Replies: 4
Views: 1896

Re: Subjunctive "amere" with nefas?

I'd love to read your transcription when you finish, Carolus! A few years ago I was researching the life and works of Arcadisu Avellanus. He's an interesting guy and produced a lot of good Latin translations. At the time I wrote the Latin wikipedia page on him (there was no info out there) : http://...
by thesaurus
Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:48 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: housekeeping
Replies: 2
Views: 1460

Re: housekeeping

Another moderator here. I've been absent because I was in the Peace Corps in the Dominican Republic and without internet/electricity/running water for most of the time, so I hope you'll forgive my leave of duties. I'll try to keep on top of new posts/users as best I can.
by thesaurus
Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Necessity of participle?
Replies: 2
Views: 1898

Re: Necessity of participle?

Hello all, This is about an exercise from D'Ooge's Latin for Beginners, but since it pertains to larger issues, I'm asking it here. We were asked to translate the following: "The few, terrified by the reports that they heard, preferred to remain at home." Once corrected for mistakes, my translation...
by thesaurus
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ambiguity in "filium exspectare oportet"?
Replies: 2
Views: 1299

Re: ambiguity in "filium exspectare oportet"?

I think it's semantically quite clear: "The son ought to wait [i.e., it is fitting for the son to wait] until his father returns." But as you say, oportere takes the accusative and so would exspectare, I suppose there could be ambiguity in that it could well be "It is fitting to wait for the son un...
by thesaurus
Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tacitus: subjunctive in indirect speech
Replies: 16
Views: 5974

Re: Tacitus: subjunctive in indirect speech

I've read the original Latin about a dozen times now, and I find it hard to construe it as anything other than indirect speech. I'm surprised at the steadfastness by which other have been claiming otherwise, especially when the opposing argument just comes down to restating the conclusion that it is...
by thesaurus
Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin pronunciation
Replies: 5
Views: 2975

Re: Latin pronunciation

When I was teaching introductory Latin in college, I was just happy if my students could remember their declensions and conjugations. I didn't put much attention on pronunciation. I wish I could have used a more modern method of teaching languages, but I had to abide by the department's expectations...
by thesaurus
Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Zenoni dicto
Replies: 2
Views: 1331

Re: Zenoni dicto

Zenoni is dative. Dicto, dictare is "to dictate," so it's just the first person verb "I dictate to Zeno." As with many verbs of speaking, the object is in the dative.
by thesaurus
Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille
Replies: 29
Views: 47049

Re: Tolkien's "The Hobbit" in Latin: Hobbitus Ille

Great quote from Bruni, Interaxus. Very fitting. I don't think publishers/authors need be suspect, because the fan base for Tolkein is quite large and fierce. Many people who can't or won't ever read it are probably just happy to see that this book was published, and they aren't necessarily thinking...
by thesaurus
Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Deponent verbs
Replies: 4
Views: 2108

Re: Deponent verbs

Verba deponentia delenda sunt...