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by Kurama
Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Finished books I-IV of Anabasis
Replies: 3
Views: 534

Finished books I-IV of Anabasis

So I finally finished working through Mather and Hewitt's edition of the Anabasis (took me 18 months). I have also read twice Euthyphro, Apology and Crito. I have started with Phaedo. I am now wondering whether I should re-read Anabasis I-IV now or just continue with the remaining books. I have also...
by Kurama
Fri May 17, 2019 3:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek
Replies: 29
Views: 6367

Re: The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek

The Kindle version is fairly cheap ($17) and it is an exact copy of the print book, so it seems like a very good offer.
by Kurama
Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are πτοία and πτερόν etymologically related?
Replies: 15
Views: 1496

Are πτοία and πτερόν etymologically related?

I would like to ask for help with three questions. The first is whether πτοία and πτερόν are etymologically related. I looked up πτοία in the LSJ and it only says that it comes from πτοέω, and the entry for πτοέω does not give any further information. The second question is whether πτοία has any con...
by Kurama
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ἁσμένως
Replies: 4
Views: 682

ἁσμένως

This is a very brief question. I was looking at Plato, Charmides 153a. I understand the passage, but I noticed that ἁσμένως is written with a rough breathing. Why is this? ἥκομεν τῇ προτεραίᾳ ἑσπέρας ἐκ Ποτειδαίας ἀπὸ τοῦ στρατοπέδου, οἷον δὲ διὰ χρόνου ἀφιγμένος ἁσμένως ᾖα ἐπὶ τὰς συνήθεις διατριβά...
by Kurama
Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Difference between δεῖ and χρὴ
Replies: 17
Views: 6854

Re: Difference between δεῖ and χρὴ

"Why is it so valuable?" It's out of print; three large volumes, one of text and two of commentary on about 1700 lines of Greek. Important out of print books are very expensive, but if it were in print, it probably wouldn't be sold for much less. It's a classic of classical scholarship. OUP is sell...
by Kurama
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Errors in Perseus digital version of LSJ
Replies: 2
Views: 1240

Re: Errors in Perseus digital version of LSJ

Never mind, there is no mistake. It was I who was misreading the 5 as a 3. As it turns out, it was referring to inscription 5, not volume 5. I'll email them if I find a real error, though. Thanks for the link.
by Kurama
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Errors in Perseus digital version of LSJ
Replies: 2
Views: 1240

Errors in Perseus digital version of LSJ

Is there a place where one can submit the errors one comes across in the digitization of the LSJ at Perseus? I was looking at the entry for παρίστημι and I found an error right in the first citation. The digital version says PTeb.5.196 but the print version says PTeb.3.196. I only noticed this becau...
by Kurama
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?
Replies: 14
Views: 2625

Re: Why is ἄρκτος always feminine?

This also happens in Spanish. It can lead to some very funny sounding phrases. For instance to say 'the male goat' you need to say 'la cabra macho'. That is, with the feminine article but with a masculine adjective.
by Kurama
Wed May 30, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Next steps for an autodidact
Replies: 13
Views: 3265

Re: Next steps for an autodidact

Dr. Steadman includes his email address. For the Caesar, Herodotus and Plato texts that I used for classes there were some mistakes (not many), concerning which I emailed him, and he responded very graciously and made sure appropriate corrections were made. So if anyone does use one of his texts, a...
by Kurama
Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The final word on Greek pronunciation
Replies: 15
Views: 4308

Re: The final word on Greek pronunciation

Perhaps this is a good opportunity to ask people around here. What do you think about Stephen Daitz's pronunciation of Ancient Greek? Has anyone listened to his recordings? I have listened to his The Pronunciation and Reading of Ancient Greek: A Practical Guide and to several lines of his recitation...
by Kurama
Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Xenophon, Anabasis I.III.9.8-10: What is the subject?
Replies: 5
Views: 1757

Re: Xenophon, Anabasis I.III.8-10: What is the subject?

I would say τὰ...Κύρου. πρὸς ὑμᾶς functions as a predicate. Thanks. The reason I was in doubt is that Mather and Hewitt have this note: " τὰ... Κύρου... πρὸς ἡμᾶς : the relation of Cyrus to us ." But I'm guessing what's going on is that they are suggesting the student to translate the whole phrase ...
by Kurama
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Xenophon, Anabasis I.III.9.8-10: What is the subject?
Replies: 5
Views: 1757

Xenophon, Anabasis I.III.9.8-10: What is the subject?

I am wondering what the subject of the subordinate clause introduced by "δῆλον ὅτι" is. Is it "τὰ Κύρου", or is it "τὰ Κύρου πρὸς ἡμᾶς"?

"Ἄνδρες στρατιῶται, τὰ μὲν δὴ Κύρου δῆλον ὅτι οὕτως ἔχει πρὸς ἡμᾶς ὥσπερ τὰ ἡμέτερα πρὸς ἐκεῖνον..." (Xenophon, Anabasis I.III.9.8-10)
by Kurama
Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3762

Re: OCT font

Thanks, that link is very helpful! I might be able to find something that does the trick. The background concern that motivated my question is this: I am curious as to how one would go about producing a searchable, neat PDF version that looks exactly like a pristine original OCT print and that will ...
by Kurama
Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3762

Re: OCT font

Do you know how I can type like that? Just to make clear what I mean, what I want is to be able to type like the bold text in this image. http://priory-of-sion.com/biblios/pos/imgd/koinosos1.jpg I can already type like the non-bold slanted text because I found the GFS Porson package, and it allows m...
by Kurama
Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3762

Re: OCT font

Thanks for the info. I found a package and I can now type it in Word. However, there is something else I am not able to type yet. The package I found is for the slanted font, the one found in the main text. However, there is a straight version, like the one they use in boldtype in LSJ for the header...
by Kurama
Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:51 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: OCT font
Replies: 14
Views: 3762

OCT font

I am wondering what the font they use on OCT editions for the Greek text is. In particular, I would like to know if there is a font that I can use in Word 2016 so the text will look the way it does in an OCT. So far I have found out that it is neither Arial, Calibri nor Times New Roman.
by Kurama
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Any guides to Greek dictionaries?
Replies: 4
Views: 1705

Re: Any guides to Greek dictionaries?

Thank you everyone. All this is extremely helpful.
by Kurama
Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Any guides to Greek dictionaries?
Replies: 4
Views: 1705

Any guides to Greek dictionaries?

Are there any guides or sources that provide guidance on unabridged Greek dictionaries for beginners? Some background: I finally finished working my way through Mastronarde (I managed to do all the exercises!) and I am now reading the Anabasis. The commentary and the vocabulary are enough for me for...
by Kurama
Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

I'm so sorry, double post again created accidentally while editing.
by Kurama
Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:30 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

Kurama, It’s true that LSJ included the construction under Final clauses (it's jeidsath who's misreading), and they certainly should not have. But ως in this construction is exceptionally hard to classify, and I guess they dumped it here, at the end of the section, faute de mieux. Probably they’d h...
by Kurama
Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Gorgias 456 b-c syntax
Replies: 4
Views: 1851

Re: Gorgias 456 b-c syntax

ὅπῃ/ὅποι βούλει -- set it off by commas as a kind of parenthetical and it will make perfect sense from a syntactic point of view. What does ὅποι βούλει mean in the sentence? If it is a parenthetical, what does it modify? Or what kind of parenthetical is it? What is its grammatical function? καὶ εἰς...
by Kurama
Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Gorgias 456 b-c syntax
Replies: 4
Views: 1851

Gorgias 456 b-c syntax

φημὶ δὲ καὶ εἰς πόλιν ὅπῃ βούλει ἐλθόντα ῥητορικὸν ἄνδρα καὶ ἰατρόν, εἰ δέοι λόγῳ διαγωνίζεσθαι ἐν ἐκκλησίᾳ ἢ ἐν ἄλλῳ τινὶ συλλόγῳ ὁπότερον δεῖ αἱρεθῆναι ἰατρόν, οὐδαμοῦ ἂν φανῆναι τὸν ἰατρόν, ἀλλ᾽ αἱρεθῆναι ἂν τὸν εἰπεῖν δυνατόν, εἰ βούλοιτο. I am trying to parse this sentence, from Gorgias 456 b-c...
by Kurama
Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

The orthography is like this: ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν. Notice the form of the final sigma for ὡς and that εἰπεῖν has a circumflex over ει but no breathing mark. "ὡσ" and "εἰπεἶν" are always incorrect. Writing in this way might make it look to some that you haven't quite mastered the basics yet. I find it te...
by Kurama
Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

mwh wrote: No. It qualifies nothing but απασας, as I just said in editing my post, redundantly echoing Hylander and the authorities I referred to and he quoted. "ὡς (ἔπος) εἰπεῖν is often used to limit too strict an application of a general statement, especially πᾶς or οὐδείς." As you can see, what...
by Kurama
Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

No. It qualifies nothing but απασας, as I just said in editing my post, redundantly echoing Hylander and the authorities I referred to and he quoted. "ὡς (ἔπος) εἰπεῖν is often used to limit too strict an application of a general statement, especially πᾶς or οὐδείς." As you can see, what you said i...
by Kurama
Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:57 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

mwh wrote:Well, not quite. It’s a stock idiom best not understood literally at all. See the beginning of Hylander’s post for its function and meaning.
But if you are going to force a literal interpretation on it, that's a way to make it come out as a grammatically correct construction, right?
by Kurama
Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

Re: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

επος is not the subject of ειπειν, as you took it, but internal accusative, lit. “to say a word” (επος and ειπειν are cognate). For the use of the infinitive see Smyth 2012, esp. b. For the use of ὡς (which here does not mean “as”) see LSJ ὡς B.II.3, where you will find analogous phrases; cf. LSJ ἔ...
by Kurama
Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν
Replies: 24
Views: 12154

ὡσ ἔπος εἰπεἶν

I know that this phrase is an idiom meaning 'so to say'. But I would like to know its literal meaning and its full, explicit grammatical analysis. I know that if you give the full analysis in the way I want, you will end up with something that is barely intelligible. But that is precisely what I wan...
by Kurama
Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading exercise from Moss's First Greek Reader
Replies: 4
Views: 2002

Re: Reading exercise from Moss's First Greek Reader

This is great, thank you! I must pay more attention to the sort of detail that I missed, but I am glad to see that most of the mistakes I made were due to carelessness and not to lack of comprehension. I think I might make a transcription and a translation of the whole stories over the course of the...
by Kurama
Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading exercise from Moss's First Greek Reader
Replies: 4
Views: 2002

Reading exercise from Moss's First Greek Reader

Hi there, I'm currently working my way through Charles Moss's A First Greek Reader . I have completed now 32 out of 42 chapters of Mastronarde's 1st edition of Introduction to Attic Greek , and I think I should start getting some reading practice. I wanted to check my understanding of the following ...
by Kurama
Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:31 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: New Members Introduction Thread (New Users Post Here!)
Replies: 625
Views: 230537

Re: New Members Introduction Thread (New Users Post Here!)

Hello, I want to learn Acient Greek to further my study of philosophy and classical culture.