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by cantator
Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:04 pm
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Beginning Poetry
Replies: 8
Views: 3694

Re: Beginning Poetry

Greetings, A good selection of Ovid's verse: https://www.amazon.com/Selections-Ovid-Vocabulary-Classical-Library/dp/1585100889/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1511956671&sr=1-4&keywords=ovid+selections Includes vocabulary and minimal notes. The passages vary in length and difficulty. Btw, the volume ...
by cantator
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:32 am
Forum: Latin Poetry
Topic: Setting up a reading plan for Latin Elegy
Replies: 4
Views: 3781

Re: Setting up a reading plan for Latin Elegy

Greetings, You might do well with Harrington's Roman Elegiac Poets. https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Elegiac-Wimbledon-Publishing-Classics/dp/1898855854/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1511004303&sr=1-1&keywords=roman+elegiac+poets That link points to an edition I have not used. My well-worn volume is th...
by cantator
Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How do you pronounce your Latin?
Replies: 20
Views: 11382

Re: How do you pronounce your Latin?

Probably like a rudely educated 12th-century Swabian.
by cantator
Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: latin translation of homer?
Replies: 19
Views: 13925

Re: latin translation of homer?

If only we had a full rendition into Latin of one of Aeschylus or Sophocles's plays, or one of Plato's dialogues... Kindle editions : http://www.amazon.com/Persians-Prometheus-Bound-Translation-Readers-ebook/dp/B00MDACEZO/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1461519420&sr=1-3&keywords=aeschylus+latin htt...
by cantator
Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:39 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Martial really tickled me the other day...
Replies: 7
Views: 2838

Re: Martial really tickled me the other day...

Salvete ! Carmina Paulus emit, recitat sua carmina Paulus. Nam quod emas possis iure vocare tuum. Paulus buys poems, Paulus recites them as his own. After all, if you buy it, the law says it's yours. Reading through Craig Williams's A Martial Reader these days, from the Bolchazy-Carducci series of L...
by cantator
Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:22 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin / Greek parallel translating
Replies: 4
Views: 2183

Re: Latin / Greek parallel translating

Salvete ! Not long ago Amazon published a series of Greek classics with interlinear Latin translations. Here's an example : http://www.amazon.com/Oedipus-Rex-Colonus-Translation-Readers-ebook/dp/B00MJDCDP6/ref=pd_sim_351_19?ie=UTF8&dpID=51LxYdRLhvL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR100%2C160_&refRID=1Z02...
by cantator
Wed May 13, 2015 9:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: And what are YOU doing?
Replies: 6
Views: 3002

Re: And what are YOU doing?

Reading Latin from Liber Ecclesiastes, also studying some Provencal poems. I recite Latin poetry while taking my dog for early morning strolls, various pieces from the Carmina Burana, Catullus, Propertius, and others. I have about 40 minutes of stuff memorized, I'd like to have a full hour's worth s...
by cantator
Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Great Latin sayings about education or knowledge
Replies: 10
Views: 6441

Re: Great Latin sayings about education or knowledge

And on a decidedly different note:
... in multa sapientia multa sit indignatio,
et qui addit scientiam, addit et laborem.
by cantator
Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Great Latin sayings about education or knowledge
Replies: 10
Views: 6441

Re: Great Latin sayings about education or knowledge

Pound quoted from Rudolf Agricola re: education:

"Ut doceat, ut moveat, ut delectet"

Best,

dp
by cantator
Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:41 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Ovid Too Bawdy for Schools?
Replies: 12
Views: 10386

Re: Ovid Too Bawdy for Schools?

@ivanus - Wonderful quote from Don Juan ! Of course we all know Yeats's famous poem The Scholars : Bald heads forgetful of their sins, Old, learned, respectable bald heads Edit and annotate the lines That young men, tossing on their beds, Rhymed out in love’s despair To flatter beauty’s ignorant ear...
by cantator
Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:11 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Ovid Too Bawdy for Schools?
Replies: 12
Views: 10386

Re: Ovid Too Bawdy for Schools?

I recently completed a long-term project to read and/or re-read all of Catullus. Among other editions I used Merrill's helpful work, in which he refers to Catullus as possessing "a taste perhaps too frank for our age", or something like that.

"Perhaps too frank..."

I love it.

Best,

dp
by cantator
Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:09 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Why Learn Latin?
Replies: 4
Views: 3008

Re: Why Learn Latin?

So you can read Catullus and the Archpoet.

dp
by cantator
Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What are you reading right now?
Replies: 8
Views: 3514

Re: What are you reading right now?

Nothing in Latin at the moment, but just completed Dante's Purgatorio in Italian. Some incidental Latin there, so not completely OT. :)

dp
by cantator
Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:35 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Best Cicero to start with
Replies: 9
Views: 9267

Re: Best Cicero to start with

If your Latinity is up to it I suggest De Amicitia and the Somnium Scipionis.

Best,

dp
by cantator
Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:57 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help Translating? The Carmina Burana...
Replies: 2
Views: 2414

Re: Help Translating? The Carmina Burana...

Adrianus has guided you to a translation, so I'll just add some enthusiasm for the poem. It's one of my favorites from the CB, has a great singable melody. If you haven't heard it, check out the New London Consort's recordings of songs from the CB. Those are the original Medieval melodies, not the C...
by cantator
Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Poetry
Replies: 25
Views: 10632

Re: Latin Poetry

adrianus wrote:Tanta lascivè ingessit.
Homo iocularis es.
by cantator
Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:23 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Poetry
Replies: 25
Views: 10632

Re: Latin Poetry

From the text of Ver Erat at http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/rimbaud.html : "First Prize in Latin Composition Nov. 6, 1868 Arthur Rimbaud, age 14 " His hexameters aren't bad at all, ditto for the verses of his poem about Jugurtha. Standards may have declined somewhat since then. ;) From the Wikipedia...
by cantator
Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:18 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Poetry
Replies: 25
Views: 10632

Re: Latin Poetry

...I don't really understand the hexameter. Do you understand quantitative meter ? It is so different from the accentual poetry of English that you may spend some time just getting the hang of hearing quantities. As has been pointed out already, there's a lot of material on Google Books that will g...
by cantator
Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Good book for learning Medieval Latin
Replies: 21
Views: 12706

Re: Good book for learning Medieval Latin

For a really fun and entertaining way to start reading medieval Latin and to get acquainted with some of the characteristic features you will find in much medieval Latin narrative prose, the Gesta Romanorum is GREAT. More FUN than GREAT, I'd opine. ;) I would rate the Gesta as the easiest-to-read m...
by cantator
Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Good book for learning Medieval Latin
Replies: 21
Views: 12706

Re: Good book for learning Medieval Latin

... A little better than Harrington's Medieval Latin which is just readings and brief notes... By the way, the earlier edition of Harrington's book is the one to get. True, it's not a treatise on Medieval Latin per se, but it includes a brief summary of differences that might be useful enough for s...
by cantator
Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:49 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How did YOU learn Latin?
Replies: 8
Views: 7468

Re: How did YOU learn Latin?

Went through a "Latin Made Easy" text and quickly realized it wasn't enough, so I got Wheelock and went through it by myself. Then I took private lessons for a couple of years. After those lessons my teacher told me to read, read, read. Nearly 40 years later I'm still reading.
by cantator
Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Scansion yet again
Replies: 5
Views: 1916

Re: Scansion yet again

dactyl | spondee | dactyl | spondee | dactyl | spondee = six feet divided into three pairs (of dactyl | spondee) signifying a triplet (three people, Laocoon and sons, being tied up one after the other). Words flow across (span the divisions between) the first five feet like a snake, but "et jam" so...
by cantator
Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: a brief reading from Petronius
Replies: 3
Views: 1520

Re: a brief reading from Petronius

Thank you! Excellent voice; very pleasant to listen to. You pronounce "suavius" with four syllables; better "svavius" (same with "persuadeo"). You sometimes misplace the stress, I think. Thanks for listening, Alatius, and thank you for the suggestions. No doubt I've articulated a litany of errors, ...
by cantator
Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:31 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: a brief reading from Petronius
Replies: 3
Views: 1520

a brief reading from Petronius

Salvete, potatores et gustatores exquisiti :

http://linux-sound.org/audio/petronius-the_werewolf.mp3

Haec est recitatio brevis et deformata. Pro experientia optima legete cum ebriosi aut soluti estis.

Valete,

dp

Vero suget Latinitas mea.
by cantator
Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Appeal for teaching resources
Replies: 3
Views: 1726

Re: Appeal for teaching resources

Cantator's broken record plays on: Songs, lots of songs. Songs are fun to sing, the vocabulary memorization is invaluable. What songs ? Howzabout: Carl Orff's Carmina Burana The New London Consort's recordings of Medieval Latin songs The Studio Der Fruhen Musik recordings (if you can find them) The ...
by cantator
Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:49 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Hexametric Aeneid in English?
Replies: 15
Views: 4213

Re: Hexametric Aeneid in English?

Just for fun you might want to read Pound's essays "Notes On Elizabethan Classicists" and "Translators Of Greek: Early Translators Of Homer", both of which are included in the first volume of his Literary Essays.

I notice you found Gavin Douglas. Have you encountered Salel yet ?
by cantator
Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Roman Woodworking Planes
Replies: 6
Views: 2464

Re: Roman Woodworking Planes

Kimble wrote:http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rogerulrich/t ... rking.html

Has a list of Roman Woodworking tools and pics.
A very useful list, thank you for the link.

Best,

dp
by cantator
Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Scansion of Martial 3.5
Replies: 4
Views: 2164

Re: Scansion of Martial 3.5

Greetings,

It scans as Phalaecian hendecasyllabic verse, a favorite form of Catullus and Martial.

Best,

dp
by cantator
Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Progression or Immersion
Replies: 11
Views: 3991

Re: Progression or Immersion

... I am faced with the decision to translate small, easy, yet progressivly difficult passages from the back of wheelock or from wheelock's reader OR to just start on Caesar( Gallic Wars) or Virgil (Eclogues) and go through them very, very slowly. How did everyone else transition from wheelock to r...
by cantator
Mon May 17, 2010 11:40 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Jus Primatiale Armacanum
Replies: 2
Views: 1024

Re: Jus Primatiale Armacanum

adrianus wrote:Have I made mistakes, thanks, in this?
I'd change quidem to "indeed" where you have "yes", IMO the translation then reads better. Otherwise, well done.

dp
by cantator
Sun May 09, 2010 2:03 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How do you guys feel about Plautus?
Replies: 2
Views: 1250

Re: How do you guys feel about Plautus?

Some time ago I read Plautus's Amphitruo and Seneca's Hercules Furens. I wanted an introduction to Roman drama and I thoroughly enjoyed both plays. No Terence yet, I'm still working my way through Horace's Satirae.
by cantator
Thu May 06, 2010 11:12 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: a question re: Horace's hexameters
Replies: 6
Views: 2196

Re: a question re: Horace's hexameters

Am I missing something? Why would the accent be displaced, since the e vowel in servare is short at the ending? From A&G, 12.a : "When an enclitic is joined to a word, the accent falls on the syllable next before the enclitic, whether long or short..." Examples follow, all of which indicate that th...
by cantator
Tue May 04, 2010 1:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: a question re: Horace's hexameters
Replies: 6
Views: 2196

a question re: Horace's hexameters

Greetings, I've been reading Horace's Satires, and I must say that I'm having a terrific time with them. I've found some helpful explanatory material on the Web, some pretty hilarious bowdlerized translations too. Anyway, I have a question regarding the Horatian hexameter. We're a *long* way from th...
by cantator
Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help with learning vocabulary and becoming a better student
Replies: 12
Views: 6502

Re: Help with learning vocabulary and becoming a better student

Heed the advice of ptolemyauletes and Damoetas. There are so many fascinating texts in Medieval and neo-Latin. Did you know that there is a Latin poem by Arthur Rimbaud that he wrote in his early teens ? Or that Thomas Campion wrote Latin verse as well as English songs ? The letters of Abelard and H...
by cantator
Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The Latin Bible.
Replies: 4
Views: 2971

Re: The Latin Bible.

dlb wrote:The third- Biblia Sacra juxta Vulgatam Clementinam (this title of this edition may vary) known as the "Clementine Vulgate". This is the version that I recommend.
This edition is the one I own and read. I second the recommendation.

Best,

dp
by cantator
Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The importance of audio
Replies: 29
Views: 15981

Re: The importance of audio

While I applaud the rationale and fact of Latinum I also believe that its recordings ought to be open to criticism, even severe criticism. I assume that's what the Comments buttons are for. This morning I listened to some of the Swarthmore readings from Catullus. "Dismal" would be a kind review. "Su...
by cantator
Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:37 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Thoughts on Google Books
Replies: 29
Views: 10627

Re: Thoughts on Google Books

Re: Google books - I have no problem with Google's activities, particularly with regards to the re-publication of books long out of print. Considering the exclusive and pig-headed policies of groups like Jstor I'm happy to see Google help the scholar independent from universities and other academies.
by cantator
Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Poetry
Replies: 4
Views: 1436

Re: Latin Poetry

I wonder if anyone could recommend some short introductions to Latin literary styles, especially as it pertains to poetry. I've been translating some of the pieces in Wheelock recently, and was beginning to think that my Latin wasn't as advanced as I had believed, until I realised that the translat...
by cantator
Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: olim erat puella ex nantucket!
Replies: 8
Views: 2852

Re: olim erat puella ex nantucket!

For what it's worth I've known the poem to begin so :

Nantucketensis ridebat...

Which takes care of any prepositional concerns. :)
by cantator
Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Solus curiosus, mei amici!
Replies: 12
Views: 3635

Re: Solus curiosus, mei amici!

Let's see, it's 2009 now, I started seriously studying the language around 1971 or 1972 when I took private lessons from a teacher at Bowling Green State University. Unlike Adrianus, my immodest focus has been almost exclusively on the poets, and I've read more Medieval Latin prose than prose from t...