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by Grochojad
Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:39 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How to pronounce rosa?
Replies: 1
Views: 1197

Re: How to pronounce rosa?

Rosa
by Grochojad
Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:24 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Use of an interlinear?
Replies: 19
Views: 14014

Re: Use of an interlinear?

Interlinear Bible got me from "I can get through the text step by step, checking a word or two every sentence" to "I ready fluently, using a dictionary once or twice a page". And it did that while I was reading(fun), not checking dictionaries, not going through grammars for every new verb form(tends...
by Grochojad
Mon May 06, 2013 9:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Skipping correct pronunciation
Replies: 4
Views: 2629

Re: Skipping correct pronunciation

It obviously is possible. But why wouldn't you spend some time doing some basic research and choosing the pronunciation that most suits you and after that just stick with it?
by Grochojad
Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:00 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Lingua Latina for beginners?
Replies: 12
Views: 8242

Re: Lingua Latina for beginners?

Thank you. I am thinking if Lingua Latina can be used as the first course for self-studies. I thought I was going to start out with it, and use Wheelock afterwards to supplement the grammar. If I were you I'd do the exact opposite. Do Wheelock to get the grasp of grammar and after that consolidate ...
by Grochojad
Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek prefixes - list of
Replies: 14
Views: 7060

Re: Greek prefixes - list of

daivid wrote:
Scribo wrote: Both Chatraine and the orange Homeric Grammar have a nice selection plus usage.
I tried searching for Chatraine + Ancient Greek but didn't find anything. What extra do I need to track it down?
It looks like you need an extra "n" ChaNtraine.
by Grochojad
Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:44 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ
Replies: 5
Views: 4675

Re: Ο ΚΥΚΛΟΣ ΠΥΡΟΣ

Very nice, the song was really fun to listen to with AG text, and I love your "ὁ Ἰωάνης Χρήματα" :D

I'm just wondering, doesn't the ring "καίει"?
by Grochojad
Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Accent question
Replies: 39
Views: 17072

Re: Accent question

pster wrote:Another accent anomaly: ἱστάντες. One would expect a circumflex. Any thoughts about that Paul? I know you find these things interesting. :D
Why would anyone expect circumflex?
by Grochojad
Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: taylor book 2 - τὰ μὲν ἄλλα (accusative of respect)
Replies: 5
Views: 2236

Re: taylor book 2 - τὰ μὲν ἄλλα

There is one "τ" too many in "επιεικτης".

Ad rem-I'd understand "τὰ μὲν ἄλλα" as "of other things (he was capable), "αφωνος δε"-"but unable to speak"
by Grochojad
Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Accent question
Replies: 39
Views: 17072

Re: Accent question

I'm still struggling exactly with how I see language simplification occurring....I can't help but feel the way we look at it is too....determined by our odd Victorian grammars and not enough by more modern findings. I don't know, I'll have to look into it more. Could you expand a little bit on that...
by Grochojad
Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Saxa fluctibus pulsata fragorem edunt.
Replies: 6
Views: 3565

Re: Saxa fluctibus pulsata fragorem edunt.

"Fragorem" is the direct object, "edunt" is the predicate, "saxa" is the subject. For "edunt" try "edo" with long "e", eating doesn't make much sense here.
by Grochojad
Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:00 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: abstraho + acc. + dat.? or abl.?
Replies: 7
Views: 3289

Re: abstraho + acc. + dat.? or abl.?

Hi, Grochojad. :) But as I remember, verbs with a prefix like ab-, ex-, com-, pro-, etc. generally take dat.. Hey Junya, the lists in Allen&Greenough and in Bennett don't mention ab- nor pro-. There is "Dative of Separation" in the former but it really is just a "Dative of Reference", and all the e...
by Grochojad
Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:58 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Interlinear Septuagint
Replies: 1
Views: 2225

Interlinear Septuagint

χαίρετε, For a while I've been looking for a free, printable version of an interlinear Septuagint, the only version I've finally reached was lacking breathing marks etc. so wasn't actually what I was looking for. It seems unlikely that there is nothing out there, but what do I know. Please help me o...
by Grochojad
Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: abstraho + acc. + dat.? or abl.?
Replies: 7
Views: 3289

Re: abstraho + acc. + dat.? or abl.?

I'd go with the ablative. It is the case that goes with separation and movement away, and is strongly suggested by the prefix "ab-".
by Grochojad
Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Is Vocabulary King?
Replies: 21
Views: 9515

Re: Is Vocabulary King?

(the limits of our vocabulary are the limits of our world, as Wittgenstein wrote) "Die Grenzen meiner Sprache bedeuten die Grenzen meiner Welt."/"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world." First came the words, then people with enough free time to reflect about the language and give th...
by Grochojad
Tue May 01, 2012 5:37 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Participle question
Replies: 1
Views: 2864

Re: Participle question

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... i&la=greek, it's a deponent verb, and so uses middle endings.
by Grochojad
Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Quarum et Cuius
Replies: 4
Views: 1686

Re: Quarum et Cuius

For example, in the sentence "Feminae quarum viri magnam pecuniam habent multa ornamenta a viris suis accipiunt", what would be the meaning of "quarum"? Is it sort-of replacable by "qui earum", as in "Feminae qui viri earum" etc. ? It's a relative pronoun meaning "whose" it is plural. The same ques...
by Grochojad
Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 3rd conjugation verbs with -i
Replies: 2
Views: 1833

Re: 3rd conjugation verbs with -i

The verbs you've given are all a subclass of 3rd conjugation called "-io conjugation"(that's their ending in 1st person singular). They largely decline like 3rd conjugation verbs, but have some "irregularites" they all share. And you cannot say their stems end in "i" because that'd make them a part ...
by Grochojad
Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Richness of a language
Replies: 20
Views: 9146

Re: Richness of a language

Baker wrote:purposefully avoids the more difficult and interesting questions such as one on the richness of a language.
We can start with such interesting topics as purity of race and superiority of a certain religion, as it makes as much sense as "richness of the language"(sic!).
by Grochojad
Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation issues
Replies: 7
Views: 4312

Re: Pronunciation issues

1) I've always pronounced ου as , as Mastronarde says, but now I hear that in classical Attic, it was actually pronounced as [o:] or as 'A Companion to the Ancient Greek Language' puts it, [ọ̄]. I'm not sure what they mean by the dot underneath though. So δηλοῦν would be [dɛ:lo:n], not [dɛ:lu:n]. T...
by Grochojad
Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help for latin accent(intonation) and alphabet
Replies: 3
Views: 2076

Re: Help for latin accent(intonation) and alphabet

MatthaeusLatinus wrote: the penultimate is stressed if long or followed by two syllables (like crescentes)
I guess you meant "by two consonants, unless the first one is a plosive and the second an r or l" :wink:
by Grochojad
Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 5567

Re: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?

Well, a few years ago, I would have been more agnostic. But if you look at the people who have learned ten plus languages , they focus on memorizing one literary text. If you go to the forum at http://how-to-learn-any-language.com, you can find some discussion. Look for the Schliemann thread. They ...
by Grochojad
Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 5567

Re: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?

If you seriously want to learn Greek, buy the Middle Liddle, buy a Smyth, maybe buy a Mastronarde, and buy the one text you most want to read. Just start reading that text. Couldn't disagree with you more, that way of teaching/self-learning is what makes a lot of people give up, when they realize t...
by Grochojad
Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to pronounce "K" in Ancient Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 4545

Re: How to pronounce "K" in Ancient Greek?

In modern Greek, K is pronounced like a hard C just as it is in English Unfortunately it is not. If this is the case then why do we pronounce these place names with soft Cs in English? I.e. for Cyclades in English we say "Siclades" not "Kiklades" and for Cyrenaica we say "Sirenaica" not Kirenaica"....
by Grochojad
Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Translation of 'it'
Replies: 10
Views: 3748

Re: Translation of 'it'

Pronoun's gender has to agree with the gender of the noun. Try to understand Latin per se and not through English.
by Grochojad
Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin: An Intensive Course
Replies: 16
Views: 4896

Re: Latin: An Intensive Course

jaihare wrote: hablas (indicative) > hables (subjunctive)
comes (indicative) > comas (subjunctive)

I think it's about the same, right?
Roughly similar, I would rather say.
by Grochojad
Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 14644

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Native speakers obviously. Nonsense. Any given language is "simple" to its native speakers, no matter how convoluted the morphology and syntax may seem to outsiders. Nonsense. Native speakers usually know they language well, but not perfectly, their mistakes are what largely constitutes language ch...
by Grochojad
Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek Textbook
Replies: 5
Views: 2621

Re: Ancient Greek Textbook

This book is probably the sort of thing you're looking for: http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Attic-Greek-Donald-Mastronarde/dp/0520078446/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321904995&sr=8-1 A classics PhD friend of mine seems to like it. I think Mastronarde is nothing like Wheelocks, but it a lot of people ...
by Grochojad
Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 14644

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Sinister Petrus wrote:
Grochojad wrote:Because analytic languages are simpler, and the languages (or rather they're speakers) tend to simplify, even if it appears otherwise.
Well, simpler for whom?
Native speakers obviously.
by Grochojad
Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin numbers
Replies: 4
Views: 2006

Re: Latin numbers

Sinister Petrus wrote:
Grochojad wrote:Why haven't you done so yet?
Σπαμ. Σπαμιττη σπαμ.
Spam. Spamitte spam.
by Grochojad
Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:21 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 52260

Re: What's the point?

adrianus wrote: The letters follow the sounds.
Litterae sonos sequuntur.
Translate the sounds than.
by Grochojad
Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 52260

Re: What's the point?

Dominus wrote:Latin - Domine, deus meus
As far as I know vocative of "meus" is "mi".
Dominus wrote:[...] with our language being made from Latin and German.
Nope
Dominus wrote:[...]remembering v and b are often cross-translated with English and foreign tongues
Translating letters, that is interesting.
by Grochojad
Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin numbers
Replies: 4
Views: 2006

Re: Latin numbers

Hi. I'm Aceline. Friends call me Ace. I came here to share with you my experience. I study Latin for 5 years. So here is the deal. It is necessary for you to understand Latin numbers. Latin numbers are essentially adjectives as they are in English, and so we will treat them as such. However, there ...
by Grochojad
Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:50 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek Textbook
Replies: 5
Views: 2621

Re: Ancient Greek Textbook

What do you mean by "equivalent to Wheelock"?
by Grochojad
Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 52260

Re: What's the point?

From a practical stand point, I wonder if it is more difficult to learn English. It is my only tongue right now (though I had some French in high school) so I could not judge. I have always heard that English is difficult because the rules have a lot of exceptions and/or alternates. Plus the langua...
by Grochojad
Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 52260

Re: What's the point?

Like with English, order is important. So are English speakers more apt to try to keep order? And were Romans more prone to 'purpose' thinking since order isn't as important as the message? Just a thought. Amusingly, this post shows how the language shapes your thinking. You drew a parallel between...
by Grochojad
Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 14644

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Because analytic languages are simpler, and the languages (or rather they're speakers) tend to simplify, even if it appears otherwise. Which raises the question of whether all languages are moving from complexity (morphologically) to simplicity, from synthetic to analytic. Will we all end up speaki...
by Grochojad
Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 14644

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Because analytic languages are simpler, and the languages (or rather they're speakers) tend to simplify, even if it appears otherwise.
by Grochojad
Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:36 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Difficulty of Building Greek Vocabulary
Replies: 5
Views: 4609

Re: Difficulty of Building Greek Vocabulary

I find learning Greek vocabulary a bit harder, for the reasons you have given and at the beginning when you don't know the alphabet so well and cannot "visualize" the words in they graphic forms. And by cognates you surely mean loanwords (mainly through French), which are abundant from Latin but the...
by Grochojad
Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:53 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: τἰ and accent rules
Replies: 1
Views: 1027

Re: τἰ and accent rules

"τί" is an exception to the general rule of acutes becoming graves and so keeps it's accent unchanged.
by Grochojad
Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Greek?
Replies: 2
Views: 1662

Re: Learning Greek?

Attic and Koine are the same language. Learning one is very helpful in learning the other. If you can, by all means take that seminary course in NT Greek. If they are the same language why learning one of them is only "helpful" and not "equal" to learning the other? Attic and Koine are two differen...