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by LCN
Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

Not that I believe in a Homer but the Greek Aoidos has a very specific culturally vested role, one of the reasons we're so dismissive of the kind of readings I disparaged earlier is basically because they try to postulate a sort of single...proto Oxford don/Philosopher like character. No man forget...
by LCN
Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

Homer wasn't a "thinker". He was a Poet. Capital P. Perhaps this is the crux of our disagreement. What precisely do you think poetry is? Is it just a stratum of imaginative artifacts deposited by the most creative minds of each historical period? If so why should poems composed thousands of years a...
by LCN
Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

I don't think the Odyssey is about that completely, incidentally. I quite happily treat is as the story of Odysseus. It's been traditional to see is as a "transitional" piece, i.e how the age of heroes is ending but Odysseus can still retain his own. Perhaps with some reflections of the age of colo...
by LCN
Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

I have to admit I don't find the idea that the Iliad would contain a a layer of references to natural cosmology at all ridiculous, assuming such thinking was not anachronistic to the time of the poem's composition. Of course to say that the work is simply an allegory of natural cosmology would be ab...
by LCN
Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

That sounds a little gentler than your first opinion. It's true we have better resources for figuring out etymologies, and impossible interpretations are impossible interpretations, but it sounds like what you're really contemptuous of is the idea of allegorical interpretations. I have noticed this ...
by LCN
Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

What is it that we know about Homer that the ancient scholiasts did not know that makes the D scholia 'pointless'?
by LCN
Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Re: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

Thanks, that's a pretty exciting resource.

Also I learned from the link that I should be searching for Latin terms, starting with "scholia" and narrowing from there. Turns out the interlibrary loan catalog has everything I need, probably just about everything that's out there.
by LCN
Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:49 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?
Replies: 17
Views: 10421

Where does one find Homeric scholia in print?

Recently I have been using the commentary on the Odyssey available at Perseus - W. Walter Merry, James Riddell, D. B. Monro, Commentary on the Odyssey (1886). I enjoy reading the excerpts from the scholiasts that the commentators often cite and wonder if there are published volumes of scholia out th...
by LCN
Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 29013

Re: Learning Modern Greek

Why listen to a Bob Dylan album when you can read the liner notes Since none of us ever have or ever will be able to listen to an authentic ancient Greek performance of Homer then why bother learning Homeric Greek? To read the Iliad in Greek is little more than reading the lyrics of a song you neve...
by LCN
Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:31 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 29013

Re: Learning Modern Greek

1. And what's the purpose of reading "the" Aeneid? To say you have read it? Why listen to a Bob Dylan album when you can read the liner notes instead? 2. I was suggesting that there are not many reasons to read the Aeneid other than to experience the poem that it is. I did give an example of one pos...
by LCN
Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Modern Greek
Replies: 48
Views: 29013

Re: Learning Modern Greek

I think as Alacritas said any language you are not fluent in sounds fast to you, at least if you are trying to understand it. Speech is almost at the speed of thought and people think a thought a lot faster than they translate the same, if they are not fluent in the language. Also to the person comm...
by LCN
Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 53306

Re: Methods for learning Greek

What I did was spend about two months reading a Greek grammar book, then immediately start reading Plato and Aristotle using Perseus as a dictionary. (There's a great Iphone app). If your interest is in reading Greek texts I would spend zero time on composition or memorizing vocabulary lists. That k...
by LCN
Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Easy Selections from Plato
Replies: 6
Views: 2382

Re: Easy Selections from Plato

The Greek in the dialogues is often colloquial and it seems to me can't be perfectly converted into English. I usually translate in my mind into pidgin English that conveys the meaning without attempting to mold the syntax into English. As an aside striving for too fluent a translation is probably t...
by LCN
Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?
Replies: 14
Views: 8962

Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?

I would like a to purchase a number of OCTs and was wondering if there is an online seller that sells them more cheaply than others. I have checked the used sales service on Amazon but prices are often the same as for new texts, or only slightly cheaper. I would actually be willing to travel within ...
by LCN
Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek adjectival nouns (or are they?)
Replies: 2
Views: 1537

Re: Greek adjectival nouns (or are they?)

Thanks, that was helpful.

So if you encountered a phrase contrasting "to leukon" with "to melan", what part of speech would you call that?
by LCN
Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:50 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek adjectival nouns (or are they?)
Replies: 2
Views: 1537

Greek adjectival nouns (or are they?)

I have a question about a phrase like "to leukon". First of all etymologically speaking is it correct to read leukon as something like "leuk-on", where on is the participle of einai? What I mean is does leukon originally read as something like "white-being" but the "on" eventually becomes merely for...
by LCN
Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:24 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Explanatory clauses introduced by τω...
Replies: 2
Views: 1811

Re: Explanatory clauses introduced by τω...

Thanks, that reference was just what I was looking for. As to your question one can often make out in a general way the meaning of a particular construction by understanding its context without understanding precisely what it's doing or how it should be translated. Kind of like knowing that jiggerin...
by LCN
Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Explanatory clauses introduced by τω...
Replies: 2
Views: 1811

Explanatory clauses introduced by τω...

Hi, I can read Greek pretty well at this point but I am mostly self-taught, so there are a few minor grammatical phenomena of which I don't have a clear grasp. One is the explanatory clause introduced by the neuter definite article in the dative case. I don't have an example handy but I can provide ...
by LCN
Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:34 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?
Replies: 7
Views: 7418

Re: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?

Thanks for the link, I had never seen the Oxford editions before. I will probably try one for my next purchase.

They are a bit pricey as you noted. About on par with the Loebs I think.
by LCN
Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:59 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?
Replies: 7
Views: 7418

Alternatives to Loeb texts for English speakers?

Hi, I like reading physical books rather than etexts, but I quite dislike the Loeb translations. I just finished the Metaphysics and found the terminological inconsistency and general indifference to meaning to be truly aggravating at times. The same attitude appears in the overconfident and supposi...