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by daivid
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:14 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: who was the author of the dinner party talk?
Replies: 8
Views: 576

Re: who was the author of the dinner party talk?

Thanks, it was indeed the Deipnosophistae that I was trying to recall.

Much appreciated.
by daivid
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: who was the author of the dinner party talk?
Replies: 8
Views: 576

who was the author of the dinner party talk?

There is a text that purports to be a talk at a dinner party in which the author flits from topic to topic displaying how well read and erudite he is. It dates from era of the Roman conquest. It is a source for estimates on the number of slaves owned by Ancient Greeks - a source that needs to be use...
by daivid
Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ancient Greek Computer Game - ideas?
Replies: 1
Views: 1000

Ancient Greek Computer Game - ideas?

I have written an Ancient Greek (http://kart-hadasht.co.uk/anc/greeklang/riverdespot/) but my Greek is not good enough for me to be confident that it isn't full of errors so I have never publicized it. I do think that games are very useful in language learning as the language is often repetitive yet...
by daivid
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:48 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 60097

Re: Greek reader reviews

"Simplified" can only be a means to the end of reading the real thing, so perhaps read through the simplified text and then compare it with the real thing (which I did even with the aforementioned student). Simplified texts provide stepping stones for those not able to read so they can gradually bu...
by daivid
Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: An Amazing Find, Seneca's Histories
Replies: 6
Views: 1658

Re: An Amazing Find, Seneca's Histories

Here is a more complete report https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-precious-papyrus-of-seneca-elder-found.html#VGLYpRmYSoh4Pr7h.97 That report gives me the impression that it is simply a known papyrus has not been attributed to the correct author rather than a completely new find. ...
by daivid
Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

In my opinion, everybody learns differently, and different languages require different strategies at different stages of learning. I find it easy to believe that the Krashen approach works well for some people for some languages and for some stages of learning, but I think it would be excessive to ...
by daivid
Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:30 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

Either Chemistry or Ancient Greek will give you the same intellectual training. Practical use of the Chemical theory perhaps helped you understand what was happening in the experiments. If you had learned Classical Greek grammar, it would have informed your practical reading experience as you worke...
by daivid
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:03 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

Grammar is actually the finite and manageable part of language learning. It is an extensive, but simply stated set of rules for how the language is seen to work. Anybody with grade 8 or 9 level mathematics, and 15 or 16 year old reading age in English has the educational background and mental train...
by daivid
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

I’m sorry daivid, I’m not going to get sucked into this again. My posts here were not directed at you, as I trust you realize, and I couldn’t expect them to make any impression on you, beyond further feeding your frustration. Perhaps I should have just kept quiet, and let the world go on its merry ...
by daivid
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

To save you repeating yourself I have cut and pasted this from another thread. (The full post is in this thread: http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62680&start=0 ) Now into more dangerous waters, where I risk offending. People can train themselves, or be trained, to speak, ...
by daivid
Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll
Replies: 50
Views: 25966

Re: Graded readers in Ancient Greek -poll

The really damning thing is that we have no access to native speakers . What we have is a large and excitingly expanding corpus of written texts (from a enormously wide variety of environments), which we can learn to read, or try. That requires study. Native speakers are not much use to a beginner....
by daivid
Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:51 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek (polytonic) keyboard in Ubuntu 16.04
Replies: 1
Views: 1360

Re: Greek (polytonic) keyboard in Ubuntu 16.04

There's a useful link on using Greek fonts with linux here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oiK ... bk/preview
by daivid
Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:42 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll
Replies: 18
Views: 4214

Re: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll

To ἑκηβόλος: I'm afraid you can't read any book if you are looking for political correctness. One should certainly expose yourself to books that have values that we disagree with. However the poll question was which of them was "essential". That's a far higher bar. At least one person voted for Hom...
by daivid
Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:11 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll
Replies: 18
Views: 4214

Re: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll

If you never got very far in the Iliad, it's no wonder you're surprised it comes in first and you don't think it has much to say. And if remorseless violence is a problem for you, you might as well give up trying to read anything in Ancient Greek apart from maybe the New Testament. (Stay away from ...
by daivid
Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll
Replies: 18
Views: 4214

Re: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll

The Iliad, inescapably. I’d go so far as to say it’s the only essential one on the list. Well it seems that almost everyone agrees with you so there must be a reason for that but I confess I'm surprised. I have never been able to read more that a few lines in Ancient Greek but even in translation t...
by daivid
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:41 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: the most essential Ancient Greek text poll
Replies: 18
Views: 4214

the most essential Ancient Greek text poll

There is a condorcet voting site that allows one to make polls so I have done one
on the most essential Ancient Greek text

https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vot ... 16154c1caa
by daivid
Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 60097

Re: Greek reader reviews

Modern languages have in their corpus lots of texts that are written to be easy to read. If these ever existed in Ancient Greek they no longer do. On the other hand, no ancient Greek or Latin author that I am aware of wrote with the intention of being difficult to read. Never mind there intentions ...
by daivid
Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:45 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 60097

Re: Greek reader reviews

daivid, you wrote I emphatically don't accept that learning an ancient language is fundamentally different from learning a modern language. Since you repeatedly insist you haven't learned an ancient language (to wit, Greek), I'm not sure, logically, how you would know. But be that as it may ... But...
by daivid
Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: True Story (concerning graded readers)
Replies: 9
Views: 2450

Re: True Story (concerning graded readers)

It depends on your definition of gradations. A teacher with an individual parent might be able to give the same care and attention that a primary care-giver gives a child with their acquisition, but in a class, there are a series of expectations based on stages or years in a syllabus. For a publish...
by daivid
Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: True Story (concerning graded readers)
Replies: 9
Views: 2450

Re: True Story (concerning graded readers)

ἑκηβόλος wrote: You had a dream. Okay. I see. I took it as the True Story was a dream. Sorry about that.
It was my fault for using a tittle that here would remind everyone of Lucian's True Story.
by daivid
Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:14 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: True Story (concerning graded readers)
Replies: 9
Views: 2450

Re: True Story (concerning graded readers)

Yes, of course it was a dream. :( No need to be sad about it. I think it's more of a hyperbole, rather than a dream, but an interesting story none-the-less. I described the dream exactly as I experienced it. Further the dream describes the conditions that made it possible for me to learn SerboCroat...
by daivid
Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.
Replies: 8
Views: 1865

Re: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.

I take back what I said about your sentence. Ὁμονοούντων ἀδελφῶν συμβίωσις παντὸς τείχους ἰσχυροτέρα. is in fact exactly right for my current level of competence. The only word in the sentence that is outside the top 1000 most frequent words (using logeon as a guide) is συμβίωσις which is recognizab...
by daivid
Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.
Replies: 8
Views: 1865

Re: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.

David, perhaps a multimodal literacy approach might work better for you. The following pictures are about the sentence: Ὁμονοούντων ἀδελφῶν συμβίωσις παντὸς τείχους ἰσχυροτέρα. (Pg.3. IV,2,2) Images can make a difference when you almost understand a text but with your example they led me astray. Th...
by daivid
Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.
Replies: 8
Views: 1865

Re: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.

Another, probably trite, question. If this graded reader approach is not working, have you tried another approach? The greatest amount of time learning Greek I have expended is on a combination of rote learning of forms & vocabulary and reading the extant texts. My progress doing so has been zero a...
by daivid
Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:33 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.
Replies: 8
Views: 1865

Re: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader. Attempts and comments.

No, I was talking about page 1 which is headed First Declension which begins with "ἡ μέθη μικρὰ μανία ἐστίν". https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101064224437;view=1up;seq=21 I should add that though the book was too hard for me you fully deserve our thanks for posting the link. It will be ...
by daivid
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: True Story (concerning graded readers)
Replies: 9
Views: 2450

True Story (concerning graded readers)

I am reading a book that is ancient Greek that is well written and has a dramatic and original plot and has simple enough vocabulary and uses high frequency vocabulary words so that I am completely absorbed in the story and forget I am reading Ancient Greek. I pause and see the author has published ...
by daivid
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 101
Views: 60097

Re: Greek reader reviews

In my experience, first, there's what I call one's "OCT moment." I don't care how you've learned the grammar, the minimally indispensable vocabulary, or whether you've worked your way through one or one thousand pieces of "crap." There is still an inevitable and unavoidable gap between that and wha...
by daivid
Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:26 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: not really about Stephen Krashen at all
Replies: 38
Views: 24739

Re: not really about Stephen Krashen at all

For the forth sentence, it might help to realize that Βίων was a Greek philosopher. There are notes in the back that help as well. The above reader is all real Greek, and progessive. It may be worth starting a new thread and posting translations, or attempts for each line. You are right - knowing Β...
by daivid
Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:39 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes
Replies: 4
Views: 2401

Re: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes

Well I certainly wouldn't discount religion as a motivation. For the ancients, it was as real and observable as natural phenomena. On the other hand, while we're reasonably certain of our reconstruction of Athenian murder law, and its provenance, we know there must have been an appreciable variety ...
by daivid
Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: not really about Stephen Krashen at all
Replies: 38
Views: 24739

Re: not really about Stephen Krashen at all

Another late addition if somebody still wants graded "comprehensible" input: Charles Anthon. A Greek Reader, Selected Principally from the Work of Frederic Jacobs. Harper and brothers. New York. 1840. There are amply notes after the texts, if you want to try the Greek, then engage with some phrases...
by daivid
Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes
Replies: 4
Views: 2401

Re: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes

Yes, I see that religious pollution means that to murder anyone of whatever status was taboo. But in the case of a slave who would prosecute? In the case of a woman, if the husband claimed his wife died of fever, who would contradict him? I also have in mind today's middle east where it is often the...
by daivid
Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:39 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Computer Game in ancient Greek - corrections?
Replies: 2
Views: 1101

Re: Computer Game in ancient Greek - corrections?

Markos wrote: I've played the game several times and have enjoyed it. But then, I don't get out much. :lol:

ἔρρωσο!
I'm glad to know at least one person is using it. Thanks very much for all the corrections which I have now uploaded.
by daivid
Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:37 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: help needed for ancient greek computer game
Replies: 9
Views: 5416

Re: help needed for ancient greek computer game

Μᾶρκος τῷ Δαυὶδ χαίρειν πλεῖστα. το ὑφάπτειν γυναιξὶ μέλει. το τειχίζειν ἄνδρεσσι μέλει. ἀριθμὸς οὐ ἐστὶν ὀρθότης τὸ ὑφάπτειν γυναιξὶ μέλει. τὸ τειχίζειν ἄνδρεσσι μέλει. [ὁ] ἀριθμὸς ὀρθὸς οὐ κ ἔστιν. ἴθι πολλὰ χαίρων, φίλτατε. Thanks very much for the corrections and I have myself spotted one - it ...
by daivid
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Computer Game in ancient Greek - corrections?
Replies: 2
Views: 1101

Computer Game in ancient Greek - corrections?

I have already posted a request for help for the Greek of the computer game here: http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=66603 It is possible that the reason that I have only had one suggestion is that those on the forum best able to spot errors do not have the time to go thro...
by daivid
Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:54 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: help needed for ancient greek computer game
Replies: 9
Views: 5416

Re: help needed for ancient greek computer game

If the player makes an error in input there are a number of error messages. μόνον μεταστῆθι ἐστὶ ὀρθόν = Only μεταστῆθι is correct. (ie not whatever verb the player actually entered.) δεῖ τὸν ἀριθμὸν ἀνδρικὸν εἶναι. = It is required that the number be masculine. δεῖ τὸν ἀριθμὸν γυναικεῖον εἶναι. = I...
by daivid
Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes
Replies: 4
Views: 2401

women and slaves in late Hellenistic Boeotian Thebes

I have on and off been writing a novel set just a little before the outbreak of the 2nd Punic War. So far the main action has taken place in Phthiotic Thebes (the little one). For the social situation I have assumed it to be pretty similar to Athens and I have filled that picture out with what we kn...
by daivid
Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:21 am
Forum: Greek Textbooks and Study Groups
Topic: Favorite Greek Textbooks?
Replies: 13
Views: 8003

Re: Favorite Greek Textbooks?

I loved John Taylor's Greek to GCSE part 1 because he took everything in baby steps. New words were introduced in groups of 8 and given plenty of examples so I remembered them. The grammar in a similar way was carefully reinforced before moving to the next stage. In Part 2 the pace rapidly increased...
by daivid
Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 4710

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

When you put it like that, I don't think we have any significant disagreements at all.
by daivid
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus
Replies: 11
Views: 4710

Re: Relative Difficulty of Herodotus

"Difficult" in the sense I meant it has nothing to do with how you learned the language well enough to take a crack at Lysias, Xenophon, or Herodotus without the aid of a translation. Let's posit someone who's learned Greek with the best modern methods and has a good natural feel for the language; ...
by daivid
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:55 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: what makes a text hard/easy
Replies: 0
Views: 2472

what makes a text hard/easy

Things that make a Greek text hard: low frequency words, rare forms of word both in the sense of less used tenses and in the sense of examples of more common cases/tenses that are highly irregular, long sentences, low frequency verbal forms, idioms. However long sentences can be quite easy if the sy...