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by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aspect not time
Replies: 9
Views: 4173

Re:Aspect not time

Was that an irritated and angry reply or just a forceful one? ;)<br /><br />Anyway, were you trying to say that a main clause with Historical Present has the imperferct or pluperfect subjunctive in the dependent clause?
by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:31 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..
Replies: 77
Views: 15806

The most vapid, but (for me) entertaining POLL..

I would have included more languages, however, most here are only just reasonably familiar with these five languages or fewer. Feel free to add any language which you deem to be more difficult than those listed above.<br /><br />I personally think Latin to be substantially more difficult than Greek....
by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aspect not time
Replies: 9
Views: 4173

Re:Aspect not time

What is the Historic Present again? Is the Historic Present analogous to the odd convention in English of speaking in the present tense in an essay on a given book, when the propensity is to speak in the aorist?
by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aspect not time
Replies: 9
Views: 4173

Aspect not time

Do subjunctive forms in Latin only indicate the aspect of the apodosis with regard to the protasis, as Greek verbs?
by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Mangeot
Replies: 32
Views: 17229

Re:Mangeot

If your difficulty is found because of the word 'ut,' seemingly having been misplaced; 'ut' doubles as the word 'as,' I believe.
by Lumen_et_umbra
Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:47 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: hey!
Replies: 49
Views: 24392

Re:hey!

I have always subconsciously ascribed quintessential ineloquence and unpalatability to Old English (We are talking about Anglo-Saxon, correct?), and to the likes of it.<br /><br />P.S.<br />MDS, is your adage, or whatever it may be, from Ovid's Metamorphoses? Sorry if this is too off topic...<br /><...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pepomfa
Replies: 16
Views: 9744

Re:Pepomfa

For all this technical brick-a-brack, I haven't seen an actual rule that should allow me to form most verbs seeing only their first principal parts. The grammatical concept, ablaut, is too vagarious; it seems more of an occaisonal observation than a rule. It may as well have not been given a name - ...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pepomfa
Replies: 16
Views: 9744

Re:Pepomfa

Ablaut may be a grammatical concept but it is not a well attested and predictable rule in most cases. I was looking for a means by which I could determine that this is that and which is what in regards to the inflection of most verbs; but now it seems that there is no hope for such.... :-\<br /><br ...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:11 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Defective verbs
Replies: 28
Views: 19161

Re:Defective verbs

The linguistic phenomenon to which you have referred, "collision," is also called suppletion. It is quite common, and its more salient archetype in Latin is the verb 'fero'. Fero has the stem fer- in the main sequence tenses, but in the perfect tenses it becomes tul- which used to be a verb of its o...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:00 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Any suggestions?
Replies: 18
Views: 9091

Re:Any suggestions?

I intend to try all of the suggestions eventually. With some luck, I may not become wildly insane for the difficulty of cramming Latin word after Latin word (in addition to Greek words) into my brain.
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:56 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Hi
Replies: 29
Views: 12385

Re:Hi

Welcome to Textkit; I hope you have a good time here learning Greek.<br /><br />Also, I have a queston: Where and by what means did you learn to speak English so well? <br /><br />P.S.<br />Everyone here at textkit either speaks German or French; I feel like an utter loser with my inordinately facil...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:46 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: hey!
Replies: 49
Views: 24392

Re:hey!

About the suffix hotep: does that have any association with the meaning 'love'? Also, where may one find a book detailing the grammar of the spoken Egyptian language? I have always wanted to add Egyptian to my repetoire of languages...<br /><br />Post Scriptum:<br /><br />A belated welcoming of sort...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:20 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pepomfa
Replies: 16
Views: 9744

Re:Pepomfa

Thank you for your... :'( help. Though, in seriousness, that did lighten the burden a bit. Thanks. ;D
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pepomfa
Replies: 16
Views: 9744

Pepomfa

Is there an obscure rule, subsumed with the other rules by the concept 'Euphony of Consonants,' to which one can ascribe the present perfect active form of the verb [size=150]πέμπω being [size=150]πέπομφα? I really do not want to have to memorize six principal parts of each verb; the four principal parts of Latin verbs are hard enough to remember... (all I do is complain ;) )
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Any suggestions?
Replies: 18
Views: 9091

Re:Any suggestions?

Thank you for the suggestions. They will be very helpful! Being little creative, I would never have thought of those of my own devices and discretion. Thanks again! ;D
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:08 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Any suggestions?
Replies: 18
Views: 9091

Any suggestions?

Let me begin by saying that I believe my understanding Latin grammar to be adequate for the activity to which I shall hereafter give appellation.<br /><br />I want to begin reading ancient works written by the likes of Cicero, Virgil, Livy, Catullus, Martial, and whomsoever of whom you may think; bu...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aliquis vs. Quisquam
Replies: 2
Views: 2505

Re:Aliquis vs. Quisquam

Thank you; however, that information would have been useful about a three days ago! Just joking. (Though, I had already come to that knowledge.) ;)<br /><br />In all seriousness: thank you for your help. :)
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:50 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Aliquis vs. Quisquam
Replies: 2
Views: 2505

Aliquis vs. Quisquam

Was anyone else confused by A&G's explanation of the difference between aliquis and quisquam? It goes something like this:<br /><br /> <br />Iustitia numquam nocet cuiquam. Justice never does harm to anybody.<br /> [alicui would mean to somebody who possesses it .]<br /> <br /><br />That is more or ...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:41 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Glidersleeve vs. A&G New Latin Grammar
Replies: 16
Views: 8998

Re:Glidersleeve vs. A&G New Latin Grammar

Wheelock's does have merit: for less advanced students, it holds the reader's hand along the way. Wheelock's is approximately the same, save that it isn't quite as generous of some of its explanations nor of the listing of alternate forms of words, which may appear, from time to time. One of the mos...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Classical vs Medieval Latin
Replies: 26
Views: 18410

Re:Classical vs Medieval Latin

I have always had the impression that Medieval Latin blows, and now my suspicions have been confirmed.
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ou(= a)kou/ei o( tuflo/s
Replies: 12
Views: 6986

Re:ou(= a)kou/ei o( tuflo/s

Which dialect of Greek is this? It isn't Attic, is it?
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:52 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Inscription "ANDG" at Jesuit school
Replies: 10
Views: 4819

Re:Inscription "ANDG" at Jesuit school

I absolutely agree with Elucubrator (very well explained by the way :) ). In my Latin readings, poetry in particular, I have found that a phrase, with a word modified by and adjective and then limited by a word in the genitive case, commonly has the word in the genitive oriented between the adjectiv...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:19 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Glidersleeve vs. A&G New Latin Grammar
Replies: 16
Views: 8998

Re:Glidersleeve vs. A&G New Latin Grammar

I have them both; I find Gildersleeve to be a better reference source. Each is quintessentialy reliable and accurate. Gildersleeve, however, is not quite so parsimonious of his examples and explanations of a topic.<br /><br />Both books more or less being reference texts, A&G is much more so than Gi...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Why is the subjunctive present in the second clause?
Replies: 31
Views: 16856

Re:Why is the subjunctive present in the second clause?

Thank you for the help. Though, I must say, this thread found its resolution weeks ago; from its perpetual doom, by Ptolemaios ;) , it had been revived. <br /><br />Since having orginally posted my question, I have learned much about Latin grammar (thankfully!). That is not to say that I do not appr...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:15 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question regarding the expression of disproportion
Replies: 0
Views: 1311

Question regarding the expression of disproportion

Is there much, if any, difference of signification amongst the following means of expressing diproportion in Latin?<br /><br /> 1. quam pro<br />2. quam ut<br />3. quam qui <br /><br />Sententiae exempli cavsa adsvnt. (I hope that translates well. ;) )<br /> <br />1. Minor caedes quam pro tanta vict...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:33 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: To whom, which have Herbert Weir Smyth's Greek Grammar...
Replies: 2
Views: 2675

To whom, which have Herbert Weir Smyth's Greek Grammar...

How long did it take for you to master the many rules and exceptions outlined in the first 48 pages or so?<br /><br />I personally find the abundance of information overwhelming - particularly as I am reading Gildersleeve's Latin Grammar, and Allen and Greenough's New Latin Grammar, contemporaneousl...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:39 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: you physics maniacs look here
Replies: 9
Views: 4190

Re:you physics maniacs look here

Shrodinger was the man who cheated on his wife many many times and whose wife actually encouraged him to leave if he so desired, despite that it would have hurt her emotionally, right?<br /><br />If this is the person, her wife was very odd in her behavior: she loved him and didn't want him to leave...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A strange word for which, seemingly, there is no account
Replies: 6
Views: 2849

Re:A strange word for which, seemingly, there is no account

I was unable to find the word in my dictionary. What is the title of yours? Mine now seems a bit inadequate.
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:52 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Thorough Greek Grammar
Replies: 10
Views: 5938

Re:Thorough Greek Grammar

Where are you from, Ptolemaios? I was intrigued to see you use a comma instead of a period? Are you from a Spanish-speaking country, or was that just a typo?
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:47 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: 2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.
Replies: 7
Views: 4384

Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

I think one can say:<br /><br />Qvia vos ivbere possvm vt doceatis<br /><br /><br />The double-use of the infinitives is probably grammatically correct, however confusing.
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: A strange word for which, seemingly, there is no account
Replies: 6
Views: 2849

A strange word for which, seemingly, there is no account

[size=150]ς[u]ι[/u] θVα ς[u]ι[/u]γνιφιξ[u]α[/u]τι[u]ο[/u] Vιρτ[u]V[/u]τις [u]ε[/u]λ[u]V[/u]ξεατ αδ θVαμ ς[u]ε[/u] σιμιλις ανιμVς αδπλιξετ ετ αδιVνγατ.<br /><br />If any sign of virtue should shine forth, to which a similar disposition may attach itself.<br /><br /><br />I have never ecountered the word "QVA" (without a macron). Can anyone help?<br /><br />Note: underlined letters signify letters with macrons - that should have been pretty obvious. :)
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:42 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What Greek/Latin Textbooks do you own?
Replies: 70
Views: 41040

Re:What Greek/Latin Textbooks do you own?

To be honest, that post was preemptive, but I will be receiving the book within 20 minutes or so... ;) I knew it would be arriving today so I just decided to post it without complete regard for the truth... :o <br /><br />I let you know what I think of it as soon as it arrives and I get a good feel ...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: POLL: THE CHARM OF GREEK
Replies: 22
Views: 17670

Re:POLL: THE CHARM OF GREEK

It is quite unnerving to see the sharp decline in quality of contemporary Latin and Greek grammars (Contemporary Greek grammars are almost non-existent.) Perhaps the scholarly assume that those consummate grammars (A&G, Gilder, Smyth, the other german guy's book... :) ) will suffice, and, perhaps, t...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:28 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: What Greek/Latin Textbooks do you own?
Replies: 70
Views: 41040

Re:What Greek/Latin Textbooks do you own?

More books still have arrived!<br /><br />I now have:<br /><br /> Latin Grammars: <br />Wheelock's Latin 6e<br />Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar<br />Gildersleeve's Latin Grammar<br /><br /> Greek Grammars: <br />Greek Grammar by Herbert Weir Smyth<br />Learn Greek Grammar<br /><br />I am so e...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:19 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: you physics maniacs look here
Replies: 9
Views: 4190

Re:you physics maniacs look here

His physics, though brilliant in their inception, have begun to be outdated. The physics detailed in that book are, now, even well know to the bourgoise (and lower) and have become ponderous and obvious. I find Quantum Mechanics, the M-theory, Supersymetry, etc... to be the most fascinating theories...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.
Replies: 8
Views: 4302

Re:Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.

Very very much of the excess is great and useful. However, pages 100-140 (approximate) seem superfluous for even the most obsessive Latin lover. There are so many irregularities listed for the formation of adjectives on those pages that it becomes otiose to even attempt their memorization, and it is...
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:31 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Books online
Replies: 6
Views: 3555

Re:Books online

Allz' Iz' cane saiz' iz' thats I preefirz' dah' reelz' buhkz'. I think I just wrote something in German or Dutch or something like that... ;)
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:27 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.
Replies: 8
Views: 4302

Re:Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.

I am too stupid to have gotten that one. :) Sorry. :-\
by Lumen_et_umbra
Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:12 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.
Replies: 8
Views: 4302

Re:Allen & Greenough's New Latin Grammar.

[quote author=benissimus link=board=3;threadid=529;start=0#4639 date=1061518050] <br />Superfluous = definitive ;)<br /> <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Superfluous = unnecessary, extraneous, extravagant, prodigal, lavish, etc..<br /><br />it has a meaning related to opulent, sumptuous, prolific, etc...<b...