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by Sinister Petrus
Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:21 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Functional differences between participles and infinitives
Replies: 7
Views: 3815

Re: Functional differences between participles and infinitiv

From a syntactician's perspective, I wonder if the difference isn't where the VP's "subject" is generated or how the VP hangs in the styntax tree. What I mean is that the participle is adjunct to the NP and the infinitive is not adjunct to an NP. The standard view is that the NP serving as subject o...
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:34 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek New Testament Interlinears
Replies: 3
Views: 2141

Re: Greek New Testament Interlinears

I'd be prone to agree with not using an interlinear if you're really serious about mastering Greek. I've seen (and had in my possession for a too short while) Duckwitz's treatments of Luke from Bolchazy-Carducci. I'd say from my memory that it's better than an interlinear, but it's *very* much over ...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Words for Modern Thing
Replies: 7
Views: 4016

Re: Latin Words for Modern Thing

If you can get a hold of Stephen Berard's Vita Nostra, you'll be well armed with vocabulary for day-to-day things modern or otherwise. He's in the midst of revising it, but once it's ready (probably sometime this summer) it will be worth what price he puts on it.
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:14 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Wheelock's Latin & Lingua Latina
Replies: 11
Views: 5565

Re: Wheelock's Latin & Lingua Latina

Wheelock is horrible. I use pages from it to clean up the mess my cats make when they eat too much tuna. Plus it's for bourgeois capitalist pigs. You sum up my feelings all too well. I own a 2nd edition copy that I keep for sentimental reasons. I suspect it is one of those books that only shines wh...
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rom 5:15 ἐν χάριτι ...
Replies: 5
Views: 3192

Re: Rom 5:15 ἐν χάριτι ...

Not sure what framework Patterson is using, his statement that prepositional phrases are always (deep structure??) adverbs doesn't sound like anything I am familiar with. Probably I am misunderstanding his point... It would be easy to just throw up our hands and say anything can happen in Paul's ep...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:11 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Paoli's Ciceronis filius
Replies: 4
Views: 4341

Re: Review: Paoli's Ciceronis filius

That looks seriously cool.
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:10 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Spoken Latin
Replies: 11
Views: 5099

Re: Spoken Latin

Bedwere, Thank you for the link. The Cursus looks promising. Have you tried the Bolchazy Carducci Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency ? That text seems to be more idiomatic, but I haven't worked through it. Gratias tibi ago, Zach Think of Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency as more of a...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:25 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rom 5:15 ἐν χάριτι ...
Replies: 5
Views: 3192

Re: Rom 5:15 ἐν χάριτι ...

From what I gather over at the other discussion thread, I'm seeing the linguist/classicist disconnect. The linguistic approach (that of Patterson) makes no sense to the classicist's approach (that of Carlson). Given my predilections, I'm wont to side with the linguists. Personally, the original Gree...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:12 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What is the process to learn Greek as a beginner?
Replies: 1
Views: 1442

Re: What is the process to learn Greek as a beginner?

Ignoring the obvious spam… Yes, check out the free primers. They're free. If you don't find what you like, try finding others at Amazon (or books.google.com or similar site) and doing and inter-library loan request to get a preview of the whole book. Public libraries in the United States should do t...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:06 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze accenting of γυνή
Replies: 1
Views: 1217

Re: Athenaze accenting of γυνή

My guess is a typo that didn't get caught in proofing. Having been in the position of reading blue-line copies for a publisher, there are always errors of this sort. Always. Drop an e-mail to the publisher. If they've not caught it already, they'll stick it in their file of things to fix before the ...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:05 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Modern greek pronunciation
Replies: 8
Views: 4991

Re: Modern greek pronunciation

So one should distinguish in French between AU, O and EAU, and pronounce them the English way, because one can get confused since in French they are pronounced the same way? Hahaha. +1 Unless you're a scholar looking to crack the mysteries of a language, my vote is to pick one of the commonly accep...
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:57 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Autotranslaters
Replies: 7
Views: 3985

Re: Autotranslaters

Sceptra Tenens wrote:Google Translate is dubious even with modern languages. It can come close, but there are almost always mistakes.
But vastly superior to the results with Latin.
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar
Replies: 8
Views: 13451

Re: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar

Grammar : Bennett's. In my opinion it's friendlier than other grammars. It's also available as a book on iphone. Also my first choice for a grammar point. Gildersleeve if I don't feel Bennett was complete enough, which more often than not is. As for dictionary, paper dictionaries have two dimension...
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Autotranslaters
Replies: 7
Views: 3985

Re: Autotranslaters

I think Google translate relies on parallel texts to help build its algorithms. While there are lots of Latin/English parallel texts out there, I suspect a lot of them aren't going to be very useful. Sure, the Aeneid is online. Sure, Dryden's translation is online too. I bet they're even closely ass...
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:10 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: How to pronounce numbers in English?
Replies: 4
Views: 13653

Re: How to pronounce numbers in English?

F = G * m1 * m2/r² - ef equals gee times em sub one times em sub two over r squared In some cases you don't even need to say "times". PE = mgh pee ee equals em gee aitch KE = 1/2 mv^2 kay ee equals half em vee squared And for complex units, never say times. 3.4 x 10^6 N•m three point four times ten...
by Sinister Petrus
Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Pronunciation issues
Replies: 7
Views: 4466

Re: Pronunciation issues

3) I'm fine with the aspirated stops because I purposely exaggerate them (and it's fun to do). But I have much more trouble stopping myself from aspirating the unaspirated stops. I suspect an Attic speaker would find that instead of τιμάω, I am saying θιμάω more often than I'm aware of. Damn my eng...
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Richness of a language
Replies: 20
Views: 9516

Re: Richness of a language

I definitely do not agree with you. I believe in Ludwig Wittgenstein's famous quote "The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.". And languages do indeed differ in their limits, both as far as vocabulary and grammar are concerned. Sorry. Wittgenstein is wrong on this. I *think* I unders...
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:32 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Richness of a language
Replies: 20
Views: 9516

Re: Richness of a language

In a real sense, all languages are equal. Think about it: does learning Latin fundamentally change how you experience the world? Do you see new colors? Do you hear new sounds? Sure, you may divide up what you see and hear in different ways, but the actual sensory perception is the same. Only the wor...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Hyperbation
Replies: 5
Views: 2893

Re: Hyperbation

Greek word order is pretty free (I think there are some tendencies as to the placement of the verb, subject, etc, but I'm not qualified to make any kind of statement there). Yeah, it is fairly free, but I noticed that Herodotus seems to favor this sort of thing (please excuse the hacked up English ...
by Sinister Petrus
Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Elision of final vowel before word beginning with vowel
Replies: 20
Views: 6793

Re: Elision of final vowel before word beginning with vowel

This is why we (Latin teachers) need to start making the nasalized final m a fact from day one—just part of the pronunciation page in any book. I make sure all of my students are aware of this feature, even if we don't necessarily use it. *Grumble, grumble* </rant> Yes. "quem amemus" becomes "qu'ame...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:09 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 53859

Re: What's the point?

Nope Well not technically, but one would consider Aenglish to be mostly composed of Latin based words and Germanic-Scandinavian-Norwegian based words. I speak a Germanic tongue with some Latin window-dressing. It's much, much more than the words, of which the bigger bit of the work a day words are ...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:02 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 15070

Re: Synthetic > analytic

This is a belief which classicists seem to be particularly prone to (partly because for a long time inflected languages were seen as superior to analytic languages). There are no serious linguists today who would support this position, though. One of my reasons for choosing a linguistics degree ove...
by Sinister Petrus
Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:56 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 15070

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Nonsense. Native speakers usually know they language well, but not perfectly, their mistakes are what largely constitutes language change. And they are most often mistaken where there is some kind of difficulty. Ha. I deserved the nonsense right back at me. Here is my understanding of the linguisti...
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 15070

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Grochojad wrote:Native speakers obviously.
Nonsense. Any given language is "simple" to its native speakers, no matter how convoluted the morphology and syntax may seem to outsiders.
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:05 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Posting Crosby & Schaeffer Answers Online
Replies: 8
Views: 8704

Re: Posting Crosby & Schaeffer Answers Online

I know I'm on here a wee bit late, but I was curious to know if your issue was ever resolved. As for any response to the original poster, I have no idea. But. I would wager good money that Bolchazy-Carducci doesn't have the answer key or teacher's manual to Crosby and Schaeffer, so they won't relea...
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:14 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek Textbook
Replies: 5
Views: 2751

Re: Ancient Greek Textbook

I think Mastronarde is nothing like Wheelocks, but it a lot of people praise it. Giving it a try certainly isn't a bad idea. Hahaha. Perhaps they aren't much alike. I saw that Mastronade was a grammar-style text too, and my eyes glazed over—but I know some people like that sort of thing. I've got a...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin numbers
Replies: 4
Views: 2074

Re: Latin numbers

Grochojad wrote:Why haven't you done so yet?
Σπαμ. Σπαμιττη σπαμ.
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Synthetic > analytic
Replies: 32
Views: 15070

Re: Synthetic > analytic

Because analytic languages are simpler, and the languages (or rather they're speakers) tend to simplify, even if it appears otherwise. Well, simpler for whom? From what I've read, it would seem that languages tend to move from synthesizing to analyzing when many adult learners are speaking the lang...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:59 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Difficulty of Building Greek Vocabulary
Replies: 5
Views: 4735

Re: Difficulty of Building Greek Vocabulary

Craig_Thomas wrote:That quotation comes from this pdf. The 50% and 80% vocabulary lists can be found in this pdf.
Thank you for those links. I've been trying to find information in this vein for some time. Vocabulary list found. Now for the grammar analysis.
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:55 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Ancient Greek Textbook
Replies: 5
Views: 2751

Re: Ancient Greek Textbook

This book is probably the sort of thing you're looking for:

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Atti ... 995&sr=8-1

A classics PhD friend of mine seems to like it.
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:32 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin Grammar Reference
Replies: 7
Views: 3443

Re: Latin Grammar Reference

I've always liked Bennett's New Latin Grammar for quick answers. I suggest it to my students as their first reference grammar. For more advanced work, check Gildersleeve's Latin Grammar.

Both have book previews at bolchazy.com, so you can at least know what you're getting.
by Sinister Petrus
Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Scitote
Replies: 8
Views: 5378

Re: Scitote

Plautus is also full of "future" imperatives. I say future in quotes, because I've never quite been able to figure the difference out.
by Sinister Petrus
Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Evertype: Alicia in Terra Mirabili
Replies: 25
Views: 11206

Re: Evertype: Alicia in Terra Mirabili

Do want. I suppose I'll drop a hint to my wife for Christmas.
by Sinister Petrus
Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:59 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 52734

Re: Methods for learning Greek

1. Find some graduated books and use at least two of them at once (Assimil, Athenaze, A Greek Boy at Home...) 2. Read a little time everyday. Ok, I did get myself up to speed over the summer. I did take AG in college 15 years ago, so I had forgotten almost everything. I had taken a few not-so-serio...
by Sinister Petrus
Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:23 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: An issue with indirect discourse
Replies: 8
Views: 3387

Re: An issue with indirect discourse

hi, i would be more tempted to say NVNTIVS QVIDAM DVCEM CERTIOREM FECIT SE INSIDIAS POST CASTRA POSITAS VIDISSE. - QVIDAM tends to go after the noun, not before it: bennett's new latin gr s350(5)(c): http://books.google.fr/books?id=38XVRyhHbYEC&pg=PA229 - the pronoun SE tends to go right at the beg...
by Sinister Petrus
Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:21 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: An issue with indirect discourse
Replies: 8
Views: 3387

Re: An issue with indirect discourse

Quidam nuntius se principi attulit vidisse post castra insidias. Though on reflection, I wonder if something like this might not be better (of course it is outside of the assignment): Quidam nuntius principi attulit insidias post castra (oculis suis/a se) visas esse. Shifting to passive eliminates ...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: An issue with indirect discourse
Replies: 8
Views: 3387

Re: An issue with indirect discourse

I'd be tempted to say (using the same words): Quidam nuntius principi attulit se insidias post castra vidisse. The biggie here (in my head, though I've seen it done other ways) is that the indirect speech is all grouped together somehow. I'd also try to avoid "post castra" directly in front of "insi...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Roman names
Replies: 27
Views: 15155

Re: Roman names

So when one is studying Latin, one uses a hard "c". But when one is studying Roman history in English speaking countries do they generally use a soft "c" for names? For example, "Cincinnatus". Do Roman history professors make the "c" soft generally? I cannot imagine an American classicist saying Ki...
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:54 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Examples of ISTE used thru nom to abl
Replies: 37
Views: 10231

Re: Examples of ISTE used thru nom to abl

MatthaeusLatinus wrote:Puto eum ſine cauſa ſpammare.
Spammare. Hahahae! Spammabat sine causa an sine fine?
by Sinister Petrus
Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Advice on a basic Latin novel/poem?
Replies: 5
Views: 2330

Re: Advice on a basic Latin novel/poem?

If history is your thing, Eutropius's Breviarum could be good too. I'd point you at a link, but I can't think of one off hand. Sorry for not being more helpful.