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by gfross
Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:44 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Text for Learning Greek and Latin in Tandem
Replies: 27
Views: 17103

Re: Text for Learning Greek and Latin in Tandem

Back on topic, I've been thinking about learning Latin and Greek at the same time. The more I think about it, the less I think it is a possible (or necessarily desirable) thing. Are Latin and Greek even that much alike? I learned the basic grammar of Latin, which I am now reviewing after a hiatus o...
by gfross
Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:45 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Text for Learning Greek and Latin in Tandem
Replies: 27
Views: 17103

Re: Text for Learning Greek and Latin in Tandem

@NateD26 You really need to take a look at the Ørberg materials (all of them in the Lingua Latina series) in order to understand clearly why Sinister Petrus, others, and I have praised them so highly and why we wish there to be a similar AG course. I am now on Chapter 20 of Lingua Latina , and my ad...
by gfross
Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:40 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: The Iliad A Multilingual Parsed interlinear Text
Replies: 19
Views: 26966

Re: The Iliad A Multilingual Parsed interlinear Text

John Jackson wrote:Groet,

The Odyssey is still a year away.
John
Still waiting for The Odyssey. :)
by gfross
Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:04 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Problem with Seeing Greek Font in epub, etc.
Replies: 1
Views: 927

Problem with Seeing Greek Font in epub, etc.

I have recently been looking at Google-archived books in Classical Greek and have discovered that when I download a copy in a format other than PDF, e.g., epub, Kindle (mobi), etc., the Greek appears as something like BetaGreek -- all alphanumerics: r7b(2q etc. Although I have tried a number of e-re...
by gfross
Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:00 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am the Greek God of Fonts
Replies: 9
Views: 5603

Re: I am the Greek God of Fonts

I just downloaded and installed Firefox 4 in Windows Vista Home Premium on my Sony VAIO. I also downloaded the Porson OTF, using Firefox. But I don't know what I need to to do now. Where do I unzip it to? And how do I install a font in Windows Vista? I've never done it before.
by gfross
Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:37 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Reading course in Homeric Greek
Replies: 4
Views: 7530

Re: Reading course in Homeric Greek

The answer key for the 2nd ed. revised is Teacher's Manual and Key to a Reading Course in Homeric Greek . It is an exact reprint of the teacher's manual and answer key (Book III) originally published by Loyola University Press. This reprint edition was published (2007) by Focus Publishing (http://ww...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:42 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am the Greek God of Fonts
Replies: 9
Views: 5603

Re: I am the Greek God of Fonts

I am having trouble also with Tufts Perseus. But it does work at Chicago Perseus: http://perseus.uchicago.edu/perseus-cgi/citequery3.pl?query=Pl.+Ap.+17a&dbname=GreekFeb2011 Firefox lets you do custom style sheets for individual web sites. I'll have to do some more research about Safari. Yes, it wo...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:22 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Re: Word Order -- Need Help

I read the book 'Greek Word Order' by K. J. Dover (Bristol Classical Press, 2000) a few years back in an attempt to understand the fluidity of Greek word order. Dover begins with words that do have a determined place in the word order (e.g. postpositives and prepositives) and his argument is easy e...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am the Greek God of Fonts
Replies: 9
Views: 5603

Re: I am the Greek God of Fonts

Didn't work. I created the style sheet in TextEdit as a plain text according to your instructions, set the px as 24 so as to match the Parson point setting in the Safari Standard font window. I then chose OTHER on the Advanced tab menu and selected Safariparson.css. I shut down and restarted Safari....
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:37 am
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Studying? Why is nothing sticking?
Replies: 7
Views: 7701

Re: Studying? Why is nothing sticking?

We learn different things in different ways. I'd give the Orberg suggestion given above a go. Maybe you need to hear Latin to make it stick for you. Give the Latinum podcasts for Adler's course a blast - http://latinum.mypodcast.com/200724_archive.html There are also the video productions by Evan M...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am the Greek God of Fonts
Replies: 9
Views: 5603

Re: I am the Greek God of Fonts

I downloaded and installed the GFS Porson otf on my MacBook Pro. I then went to Safari/Preferences/Appearance and changed the Standard font display for websites to GFS Porson 16 and the encoding to Unicode (UTF-8). Then I went to the Herodotus web page of Perseus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:46 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Some (more questions from LLPSI
Replies: 13
Views: 5119

Re: Some (more questions from LLPSI

Sorry, I should have explained more clearly. As you said, both nostrum and nostri are the genitive plural forms of the personal pronoun nos (we). Nostrum is a partitive genitive: unus nostrum (one of us). Nostri is an objective genitive: cupidus nostri (desirous of us, wanting us). The phrase "omnes...
by gfross
Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:41 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ποῖοί εἰτί?
Replies: 5
Views: 2591

Re: ποῖοί εἰτί?

Thanks for your comments! Yes, Rouse does use εἶτα again in Reading IXβ of Rouse's Greek Boy: A Reader . In the glossary of the book, he translates it as "then, next" and gives ἔπειτα as a synonym. However, εἰτί is not glossed. I guess that it is either a typo or that his intention was for the teach...
by gfross
Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Some (more questions from LLPSI
Replies: 13
Views: 5119

Re: Some (more questions from LLPSI

The genitives of the personal pronouns nostri and vestri are objective, e.g., cupidus nostri ("desirous of us," "wanting us"); the genitives of the personal pronouns nostrum and vestrum are partitive, e.g., unus nostrum ("one of us"). I read "vita ominium nostrum" literally as "the life of all of us...
by gfross
Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: I am the Greek God of Fonts
Replies: 9
Views: 5603

Re: I am the Greek God of Fonts

Gorgeous! What fonts are you using? Will they work on my MacBook Pro with Safari? The MacBook does come loaded with lots of fonts. I recently installed Gentium, which I like, but for the most part I just use whatever font the Mac chooses for the Greek Polytonic keyboard (don't know which one that is...
by gfross
Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: ποῖοί εἰτί?
Replies: 5
Views: 2591

ποῖοί εἰτί?

In the Reading section of Chapter Three of First Year Greek by Rouse-Mahoney, I came across a word whose definition I could not find: εἰτί. The word occurs in a question-answer context: ποῖοί εἰτὶ εἰσι οἱ κάλαμοι; στρογγύλοι εἰσὶ καὶ μικροί. Does anyone know its meaning? The accentuation seems off, ...
by gfross
Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:29 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: _Rouse's Greek Boy_: Meaning of καί?
Replies: 3
Views: 2073

Re: _Rouse's Greek Boy_: Meaning of καί?

Thank you for your comments! Rouse's Greek Boy: A Reader is a new edition (2010) of A Greek Boy at Home , first published in 1909 by W. H. D. Rouse. I think that Anne Mahoney has not edited any of the original Greek text but has simply added a "Hints for Using the Book" section. According to Mahoney...
by gfross
Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: _Rouse's Greek Boy_: Meaning of καί?
Replies: 3
Views: 2073

_Rouse's Greek Boy_: Meaning of καί?

In the third paragraph, page 2, of Anne Mahoney's edition of Rouse's Greek Boy: A Reader , the 1st-person narrator, a boy named Thrasymachus, has been describing the farm that his family lives on and the surrounding area. He has mentioned that his farm and the farms of the family's neighbors are enc...
by gfross
Tue May 31, 2011 4:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Re: Word Order -- Need Help

My understanding of word order is somewhat clearer now that I have read the Greek in the Chapter Two "Conversation" section of Mahoney's First Year Greek . In that section are many question-and-answer units of discourse, most of them beginning with a question word, the rest with ἆρα, e.g., τίς, τί, ...
by gfross
Tue May 31, 2011 4:06 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Re: Word Order -- Need Help

I wonder who ignorant wrote the horrible word «η άνθρωπος». In the hole Greek literature there isn’t such a word. The woman is η γυνή. Thanks, theodoros, for your observations! The woman who wrote ἥ άνθρωπος is Anne Mahoney, the author of First Greek Course , a Lecturer in Classics at Tufts Univers...
by gfross
Tue May 31, 2011 2:38 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Re: Word Order -- Need Help

Don't forget, too, that certain word orders may be necessitated by the meter in lyric and epic poetry and, when reading such genres, I wouldn't put too much significance into whether the word order conveys emphasis. Good point! Thanks! Since the quotes I gave are from the beginning chapters of firs...
by gfross
Mon May 30, 2011 12:37 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

pster wrote:It is funny how there are so many people who like to talk about how much they love to write Greek and how great it is, but so few of whom have signed up for June Composition Month! :D
:D
by gfross
Mon May 30, 2011 12:33 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question from Pensum II LLPSI Cap. XXIX
Replies: 4
Views: 1587

Re: Question from Pensum II LLPSI Cap. XXIX

pmda wrote:gfross I want to thank you again, very much, for the trouble you've taken with this exhaustive answer.
You are very welcome! It was fun for me to do it, and I learned a lot, too.
by gfross
Sun May 29, 2011 12:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Re: Word Order -- Need Help

I think it's not always easy to find the exact reason for a certain word order and often, both interpretations by Mahoney and HQ may be plausible. Consider this passage from Plato's Apology (20c-d): ὑπολάβοι ἂν οὖν τις ὑμῶν ἴσως: “ἀλλ᾽, ὦ Σώκρατες, τὸ σὸν τί ἐστι πρᾶγμα ; πόθεν αἱ διαβολαί σοι αὗτα...
by gfross
Sun May 29, 2011 10:53 am
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Studying? Why is nothing sticking?
Replies: 7
Views: 7701

Re: Studying? Why is nothing sticking?

Try the Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata course materials by Hans H. Ørberg. They are what I am using, and everything sticks because of the method of presentation. You can use it without a teacher. But be sure to buy the Exercitia workbook, the Teacher's Materials (which is the Answer Key to everythi...
by gfross
Sun May 29, 2011 9:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

by pster » Tue May 24, 2011 8:34 am Gordon, I don't know whether you are right or wrong, but I absolutely love your conviction. Hehe. We had a meaty discussion a few months back: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11778 It would be fascinating if you could peruse that thread and give us your take on it. Many metho...
by gfross
Sun May 29, 2011 8:58 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

Thanks, all, for your replies and comments! And thanks, Scribo, for the link to the review of Rouse's Greek Boy ! The more I read in Mahoney's First Greek Course , the more enchanted I am. She has really produced a magnificent first-year textbook. Very high initial learning curve. Not a text to bree...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 1:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: XIII Familia Romana
Replies: 4
Views: 1707

Re: XIII Familia Romana

I have a quick question. I'll give the whole sentence I'm having an issue with so there is enough context. It's lines 65-68 in Famillia Romana, CAP. XIII: Sed 'idus Martiae' dies est quintus decimus mensis Martii, nam mense Martio (item Maio, Iulio, Octobri) idus non dies tertius decimus, sed quint...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 1:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Lingua Latina Pars I - Familia Romana
Replies: 84
Views: 71903

Re: Capitulum VII - Pg. 70

Can anyone help me with this phrase? Servi et mala et pira habent I am translating as something like "The servants have an apple and a pear." This form, with two "et" s, however, feels egregiously strange and therefore I think I am doing something wrong. Thanks I am not giving you a translation bec...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 12:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Question from Pensum II LLPSI Cap. XXIX
Replies: 4
Views: 1587

Re: Question from Pensum II LLPSI Cap. XXIX

I took a look at that and found this sentence (XXIX, line 86-7): Nautae precibus eius ita permoti sunt ut manus quidem ab eo abstinerent. Also this (XXVII, 109): His precibus dominus severus tandem movetur. In the margin: preces = verba orantia, quod oratur. And this (XXVII, 92): Colonus ad pedes do...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 11:29 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Posting Crosby & Schaeffer Answers Online
Replies: 8
Views: 8137

Re: Posting Crosby & Schaeffer Answers Online

Have switched from Crosby and Schaeffer to the books by Rouse as revised by Anne Mahoney: First Greek Course and Rouse's Greek Boy: A Reader . They are far better designed to help students learn to read Greek. A very steep learning curve to start with, however. Some will prefer the gentler, more tra...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 11:12 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

gfross wrote Take at look at the many materials used to help non-English speakers develop the skills needed to read well in English, and you'll begin to understand what is sorely needed in the field of classical Greek pedagogy. Hi, Could you describe what these resources might look like? [ χαιρε. δ...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 10:43 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

Also, learning to write in Greek greatly enhances your acquisition of the language. I don't think it's a waste of time at all, in fact I believe that it is one of the most valuable skills a student of Greek (or any 'dead' language) can engage in. I'm interesting in reading , yes, but reading with u...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 9:46 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

I think that many learn Latin and Greek with the goal of being able to write in the language as well as read it. Or is that unacceptable? Also, modern linguistics doesn't support the idea that active and passive knowledge of a language are entirely separate spheres. Improving one's active knowledge...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 9:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

I also don't understand the common idea that newer methods and pedagogies are better. Newer is not always better. During the middle ages and early Renaissance Latin (and to a lesser extent Greek) were taught so effectively as to be the common languages of exchange in Western Europe. This was being ...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 8:52 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: Methods for learning Greek

Interesting rant, I would agree totally with you if one's only goal was to be able to read texts as literature. However as a Classical Philologist, yes composition is immensely helpful with a vast range of things I shan't waste my time listing. (blush) Yes, I was on my soapbox, wasn't I. Sorry abou...
by gfross
Sat May 28, 2011 8:25 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Word Order -- Need Help
Replies: 10
Views: 4019

Word Order -- Need Help

Hansen and Quinn in their _Greek: An Intensive Course_ present one view of word order; Anne Mahoney in her _First Greek Course_ presents a conflicting view. Whose opinion should I follow? I'll start with the easier of the two: HQ. In Section 17, HQ says the following: ---------------------------- Co...
by gfross
Thu May 26, 2011 10:09 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Methods for learning Greek
Replies: 66
Views: 49266

Re: What if all I want is Aristotle?

It is vital to cover the grammar and build a working vocabulary but people need to practice reading alongside that Agreed. Reading units of discourse of a size and difficulty that suit the level of the learner, always at least a paragraph in length, preferably longer. Using the grammar and the voca...
by gfross
Tue May 24, 2011 12:03 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: [Q] Viewing Greek in Older Posts
Replies: 1
Views: 1868

Re: [Q] Viewing Greek in Older Posts

I sometimes rummage the older posts. But the Greek characters are all broken into garbages due to the change of encoding. This may be a repeating question, but is there any way I can read them again? And I think the answer should be sticky, if ever. Thanks. Mingshey. Yes, I'm having that problem, t...
by gfross
Tue May 24, 2011 12:02 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: [quis]quis amat valeat...
Replies: 5
Views: 4373

Re: [quis]quis amat valeat...

At the end of Lingua Latina I.XXXI, there is mention of an inscription in Pompeii which begins "[quis]quis amat valeat..." I was curious if anyone knows if there's a photo floating around of the actual inscription? I tried doing a google images search and only could find photos of drawings or copie...