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by Ahab
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:32 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Review of West's Odyssey
Replies: 11
Views: 2946

Re: Review of West's Odyssey

As far as the second ground is concerned, the reviewers think that West should have been more alert to current controversies - meaning especially the so-called "Homeric multitext". But I think West has rejected it firmly enough elsewhere. This has be discussed ad infinitum here, so I'll leave it to...
by Ahab
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Review of West's Odyssey
Replies: 11
Views: 2946

Review of West's Odyssey

Review by Barbara Graziosi and Johannes Haubold at BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2019/2019-01-05.html
by Ahab
Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:16 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Silent Expurgation
Replies: 17
Views: 3811

Re: Silent Expurgation

You can read about Parry's work (unfortunately he died, possibly by suicide, .... As far as I've been able to determine, the source for speculation regarding Parry's suicide is Hanson and Heath's book Who Killed Homer? . A good review of that book can be found at BMCR: http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1998...
by Ahab
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:22 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: West's edition of the Odyssey
Replies: 16
Views: 11612

Re: West's edition of the Odyssey

West's edition is now available. :D
Just ordered the ebook on De Gruyter's site.
by Ahab
Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:28 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Victorian Language and its Discontents
Replies: 11
Views: 5254

Re: Victorian Language and its Discontents

Thanks for the reading suggestions. Have not read Carlyle. Have read War and Peace and also Norris' The Octopus which takes a similar approach to history as Tolstoy. Wonder what would have happened to the Macedonian military machine without Alexander? Anyways, I think there is something to be said f...
by Ahab
Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:21 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Victorian Language and its Discontents
Replies: 11
Views: 5254

Re: Victorian Language and its Discontents

I don't know, but I think that it would be hard for any society, of whatever wealth and influence, to seriously affect the Zeitgeist. Nor will it be possible for the next President of the United States to do so. History sweeps us all along. History sweeps us all along through the actions of individ...
by Ahab
Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:14 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Victorian Language and its Discontents
Replies: 11
Views: 5254

Re: Victorian Language and its Discontents

This is a good introduction to the evil of political correctness that helps put what you write into perspective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axyy2RZ7RoA She lost me when she pulled up a quote from Stalin to support her position. Interesting how the ultra conservative wing of the Republican part...
by Ahab
Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:34 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Literal translations
Replies: 11
Views: 5014

Re: Literal translations

As you see, I was thinking of A. T. Murray. There are a dozen other examples that I could give in the short section that I read. While I can't see any way that she could have been unfamiliar with Murray and produce all of these lines, I wouldn't blame plagiarism. My comment was humor, and Murray lo...
by Ahab
Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:23 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Literal translations
Replies: 11
Views: 5014

Re: Literal translations

EDIT: I just took a look at the first pages of Caroline Alexander's Iliad on Amazon. For several minutes I thought that I had read it before, some of the phrases looked so familiar. Eventually I placed it. A particular translator of a certain prose version of the Iliad could sue. I don't see what t...
by Ahab
Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:04 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?
Replies: 50
Views: 30856

Re: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?

Well it’s possible to prefer δαιτα, but yes it would be the height of irresponsibility for an editor to print it, when there’s little or no evidence that it ever stood in any text of Homer. Zenodotus athetized lines 4-5, and I have little doubt that he had πασι in the athetized 5; and Aeschylus is ...
by Ahab
Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:29 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?
Replies: 50
Views: 30856

Re: Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?

Voted for πᾶσι also, but every time I read that verse οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα echoes somewhere in my brain.
by Ahab
Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:20 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: West's edition of the Odyssey
Replies: 16
Views: 11612

West's edition of the Odyssey

Happily surprised to learn that Martin West's edition is scheduled for release later this year: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Odyssea-Testimonia-Bibliotheca-Scriptorum-Teubneriana/dp/3110425394 The amazon description is incorrect. A more accurate description here: https://www.degruyter.com/view/product/4...
by Ahab
Sun May 08, 2016 1:24 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Materials for reading Homer in Greek
Replies: 36
Views: 27308

Re: Materials for reading Homer in Greek

So the price of old books isn't necessarily set by value. It tends to be set by the algorithm used by the world's largest bookseller (Amazon). This algorithm has several flaws, but the biggest one is that one stupid buyer will make an old book more expensive for everyone. Value is in the eye of the...
by Ahab
Sun May 08, 2016 1:17 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Materials for reading Homer in Greek
Replies: 36
Views: 27308

Re: Materials for reading Homer in Greek

That's the problem. At present, the price at amazon.com is $500. When it came out a couple of years ago, it was about half that, I think - not cheap but not impossibly expensive. Wish it had been that price when first published on February 28, 2011. I purchased it from Amazon on May 6, 2011 for $42...
by Ahab
Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:03 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: van Thiel versus Perseus
Replies: 8
Views: 4848

Re: van Thiel versus Perseus

Jeidsath, If you go down to the section titled "The Greek Texts and English Translations" found by clicking on the link 'Understanding the Chicago Homer' you will see the following: "We collated the Perseus texts of Homer with the electronic version of Helmut von Thiel's text, and where the texts di...
by Ahab
Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:48 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: On Abusing Homer
Replies: 22
Views: 12373

Re: On Abusing Homer

I would put Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind on that abuser's list. Along with Snell's The Discovery of the Mind.
by Ahab
Thu May 07, 2015 11:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: intermediate commentary on a work of Aristotle
Replies: 24
Views: 11578

Re: intermediate commentary on a work of Aristotle

How would one format a beginner's commentary? you have your text...do you just centre the text and then use footnotes? they normally look cleaner than that? is there some special formatting trick? I'm looking at Steadman now and its obvious he's not just using footnotes. You could always use this e...
by Ahab
Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available
Replies: 11
Views: 6630

Re: A new monolingual Ancient Greek lexicon now available

mwh wrote:Each to his own. There is no Greek resource I would recommend more highly than LSJ.
Agreed.
by Ahab
Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:26 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Homeric Receptions
Replies: 3
Views: 3665

Homeric Receptions

I'm pretty much in agreement with Ahab that we should try to understand Homer as much as possible in his own context. But perhaps there is a paradox - perhaps this modern approach in itself, this idea of "objectivity", is a form of cultural appropriation, only one typical of the "scientific age"? I...
by Ahab
Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:03 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes
Replies: 14
Views: 9837

Re: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes

Just a small nitpick, Bart - but I think the it is Apollo's coming that is like the night. Great choice. One of my favorite passages in the Iliad. Nitpicking no problem. Still, a powerful image. Yes it is. :) To each their own, but it strikes me as quite inappropriate to Christianize Homer's writin...
by Ahab
Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:57 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes
Replies: 14
Views: 9837

Re: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes

Markos wrote:
It's the Homeric gospel. Jesus calls me home, but late, and with pain.
To each their own, but it strikes me as quite inappropriate to Christianize Homer's writing. :shock:
by Ahab
Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:46 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes
Replies: 14
Views: 9837

Re: Iliad17, 3-6/ Homeric similes

Just a small nitpick, Bart - but I think the it is Apollo's coming that is like the night. Great choice. One of my favorite passages in the Iliad. Another is the passage beginning at Bk. 2, Line 459. There a series of similes used to describe the movement of the Greeks into battle. From Lattimore's ...
by Ahab
Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Deleted
Replies: 3
Views: 2066

Re: Deleted

I usually delete my posts before posting them. Saves me a lot of time.
by Ahab
Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:32 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Nagy's "crystallization" model
Replies: 16
Views: 9046

Re: Nagy's "crystallization" model

For those interested, the response by Nagy can be found here:
http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1997/97.04.18.html


And Powell’s response to Nagy’s response:
http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1997/97.04.24.html

Am pretty much in agreement with what Paul and Scribo have written in this thread.
by Ahab
Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?
Replies: 14
Views: 8962

Re: Where to buy Oxford Classical Texts?

I usually buy their ebook editions when I purchase from de Gruyter. However, the paper editions I have received from them have in general been of very good quality. Of course, that doesn't negate Victor's point that there has been a decline in their production quality. I am, however, somewhat irked ...
by Ahab
Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:12 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: An English Basler Gesamtkommentar
Replies: 1
Views: 2428

An English Basler Gesamtkommentar

Good news for those who don’t read German. It looks like at least part of the Basler Gesamtkommentar (BK) of Homer's Iliad is going to be published in English this year. Here is a link to the pre-order page at Amazon of the English translation of the Prolegomena : http://www.amazon.com/Prolegomena-F...
by Ahab
Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Abandoned project?
Replies: 8
Views: 2968

Re: Abandoned project?

Looks like that edition of Stesichorus can be pre-ordered at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Stesichorus-Poems ... tesichorus
by Ahab
Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:04 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Where do you write your notes?
Replies: 10
Views: 5146

Re: Where do you write your notes?

I've cut and pasted the greek text available on the Chicago Homer site. Once in MS Word I selected the fonts and formatting I preferred and printed it all out and placed it in a binder. Margins are plenty big enough to accommodate my sloppy handwriting. For good measure I then converted it to a pdf ...
by Ahab
Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:43 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Lexikon des frühgriechischen Epos
Replies: 46
Views: 21223

Re: Lexikon des frühgriechischen Epos

Ok, maybe in the last hundred years we've started to have some results What results exactly? According to the American Medical Association, medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death. In antiquity, it certainly ranked lower. So it is trending upwards and will probably one day become th...
by Ahab
Fri May 31, 2013 12:11 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading Thucydides 2014
Replies: 707
Views: 321556

Re: Reading Thucydides 2013

Qimmik, You are quite correct regarding the difficulty of navigating through that site. Fortunately for those less web savvy it looks like Alberti's edition is also available at amazon.it.: http://www.amazon.it/Thucydidis-historiae-1-Tucidide/dp/8824030424/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1369958353&sr=8-2&ke...
by Ahab
Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:16 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Let's get real!
Replies: 48
Views: 26231

Re: Let's get real!

I picked option 4.
To be honest even my pronunciation of my native tongue, English, is not that great even though I endured several years of speech therapy during my early school years. So I tend not to get all tied up in knots over the fact that my pronunciation of ancient Greek must stink also.
by Ahab
Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:06 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad
Replies: 45
Views: 40620

Re: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad

Paul, Thanks for the interesting post. Pretty much agree with what you have written. Wanted to add to your list of available editions of the Iliad the one which is online at the Chicago Homer website. It is an amalgam of the Perseus and van Thiel's edition per the website description: "We collated t...
by Ahab
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:31 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad
Replies: 45
Views: 40620

Re: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad

He calls the simile "a somewhat lurid rhapsodic interpolation, probably" in the Making of the Iliad. I don't have access now to his Studies book were he'll have a full treatment. Fortunately I do have access to his Studies book. Here is his discussion of the question: Hentze pointed out that the si...
by Ahab
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:14 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad
Replies: 45
Views: 40620

Re: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad

Nice pics, Scribo. I had no idea Oxford put paperback versions of their classical texts.

As you indicated, even the hardcover editions of the Oxford Iliad can be had for about $35 each on Amazon. That doesn't strike me as being unreasonable.
by Ahab
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:00 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Sleeping beneath the portico
Replies: 34
Views: 23481

Re: Sleeping beneath the portico

As you said it is very difficult getting hold that book. I managed to pick up a new copy through abebooks.com a few weeks ago. So it might be worthwhile checking their periodically if one is really desirous of obtaining a copy. Funny thing, I walked out of the univ library yesterday with the book w...
by Ahab
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:51 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Sleeping beneath the portico
Replies: 34
Views: 23481

Re: Sleeping beneath the portico

The other leading idea is that put forth by Janko and, most recently, Skafte-Jensen, about an oral dictated text. That itself is fascinating and the latter's latest book promises to be a treat though getting hold of it is nigh on impossible. Actually this (finally free to access!) review is a cool ...
by Ahab
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:34 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad
Replies: 45
Views: 40620

Re: M. L. West's edition of the Iliad

Thanks for all that information regarding West's Iliad . I was completely unaware of the financial difficulties Teubner had to deal with. De Gruyter does offer some of their books through Amazon. Shame they don't do it with West's text since it is more cumbersome to order through their website than ...
by Ahab
Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:03 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: new Cunliffe Edition..
Replies: 5
Views: 3959

Re: new Cunliffe Edition..

Qimmik wrote:
Ahab wrote:I have found myself using the online edition almost exclusively since I discovered it.
Then how do you manage to read Homer in bed?
Quite easily with an iPad. :D

Actually I do most of my reading of Homer on an iPad even when out of bed.
by Ahab
Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:28 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: new Cunliffe Edition..
Replies: 5
Views: 3959

Re: new Cunliffe Edition..

I have a copy of this edition and just want to confirm what Qimmik has already said with one minor addition: it also includes a corrigenda to the original. The corrigenda is actually quite amazing. Only 5 very minor corrections are noted by James Dee for the lexicon. And 6 corrections for the proper...
by Ahab
Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:08 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Kindle Edition of Irene J.F. de Jong's Commentary on Bk 22
Replies: 0
Views: 1782

Kindle Edition of Irene J.F. de Jong's Commentary on Bk 22

Amazon is offering a very low price on the just released kindle edition of this book. Currently listed at $1.99. The paperback edition runs about $35. Certainly worth picking up as a backup copy even if one already owns the paperback. I've noticed that Amazon will randomly lower the prices of their ...