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by auctor
Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:33 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Catullus 51 Translation
Replies: 8
Views: 18378

'ille' = that chap rather than this one
'miser' is common in Catullus with the sense of lovelorn
by auctor
Wed May 14, 2008 2:23 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus
Replies: 2
Views: 1907

Okay, thanks Will. In fact P seems to be running much more smoothly recently than in the past, by which I probably mean 'quicker to load search results'.
You're quite correct, I don't want to know anything computery too exactly. [/i]
by auctor
Wed May 14, 2008 9:40 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus
Replies: 2
Views: 1907

Perseus

I see from P's home page that more work has been done on their hopper thingy. A message dated 13 May was posted... 'New updates to Perseus Hopper open source release: The open source release of the Perseus Hopper has been updated. You now have the choice of downloading the data generated by the inst...
by auctor
Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:49 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus
Replies: 6
Views: 2017

Thank you very much, Lisa, for taking the time to reply. Since I am simply a Windows technoklutz and far from a Linus expert, I shall read between your lines and wait for further news. Your work is very much appreciated, in that being able to whizz around Gk and Latin texts in order to check quotati...
by auctor
Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:56 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Perseus
Replies: 6
Views: 2017

Perseus

Having downloaded the source code and text data from
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/home
I still can't open anything. Anyone got any ideas as to how to proceed?
Ah, better say that my machine is Windows XP
Thanks,
by auctor
Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:15 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Gay?
Replies: 9
Views: 2912

Well, this is quite fascinating. I don't understand why I keep reading that the classical world had no "conception" of gay... ... because when they engaged in what we consider homosexual acts they didn't think that the acts were homosexual--just more sex. It is the conception of gay which it is at ...
by auctor
Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Aoidoi: Theocritus 13
Replies: 7
Views: 2155

Yes, a quite delightful poem. For those who have the relevant armoury and inclination, this can be usefully studied alongside Propertius 1.20.
by auctor
Sat May 05, 2007 3:30 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Naming of characters
Replies: 1
Views: 3292

You could abb. as Alo & Ala
or you could poke around the Greek Lexicon of Personal Names for suitable alternatives.

Paul McK
by auctor
Tue May 02, 2006 10:13 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Aoidoi.org: Hexameter Localization
Replies: 14
Views: 10772

Will, There is no problem sending me to our library--I spend more time there than I do at lectures (which should be understood postively rather than negatively!). Yes, I 'know' Sir Kenneth Dover's work quite well. Having spent the last few days pondering on O' Neill, I am inclined to agree with his ...
by auctor
Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:18 am
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Aoidoi.org: Hexameter Localization
Replies: 14
Views: 10772

Okay Will, (and other readers, of course) I have a copy of the YCS article to hand which I have read with great interest. Unfortunately, with my being inately unable to manage to quote within quote within quote ktl., I'm afraid you'll have to bear with my long-hand method. O' Neill has cleverly coll...
by auctor
Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:47 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Aoidoi.org: Hexameter Localization
Replies: 14
Views: 10772

I've scrubbed my reply--I screwed up the quoting thingummy. I shall try again after the w/e when I've read O'Neill and the follow up articles.
Sorry,
P
by auctor
Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Deponent Verbs
Replies: 6
Views: 2514

Dear easternugget, That really depends on how you, or your teacher, define 'deponent'. If you understand Latin grammar fully, then the notion of a deponent verb probably doesn't make much sense in Greek--because the fall-back to the middle voice precludes that. But, there are many Greek verbs which ...
by auctor
Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:11 pm
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Aoidoi.org: Hexameter Localization
Replies: 14
Views: 10772

Will, An interesting and thought-provoking essay but I wonder whether you have you done the subject full justice yet. I get the impression that you are suggesting that certain words fit in certain places in a line more often than not due to their prosodic shape rather than their 'emphatic' purpose. ...
by auctor
Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:18 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Agon: The Four Subjects of Poetry
Replies: 7
Views: 7262

Will, What are suggesting? That we translate it into Greek, I assume; but, as a continuous piece of lyric or as separate verses? Exam season is all but on us at KCL but it may be fun with which to tinker. It seems to me that swapping the order of the verses to 4, 1, 3, 2 'could' lead to a fairly sen...
by auctor
Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:11 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Aristophanes
Replies: 8
Views: 2755

The same however cannot be said about Aeschylus nor -I think- can he be said to have been overtly influenced by the sophistic movement. Aeschylus was cooling his heels in fields of asphodel by 456, somewhat before the sophistic movement took too great a hold on Athenian life, I'd venture. As for la...
by auctor
Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:00 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Aristophanes
Replies: 8
Views: 2755

Yes, Irene, it is important for us to be aware that the ancient Greeks (and Athenians in particular if it's drama that we study) did not regard their gods with anything like the reverence that we give to our monotheistic God (whichever one that may be). As you say Eur. was not above portraying them ...
by auctor
Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:51 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Aristophanes
Replies: 8
Views: 2755

As well as a god of wine Dionysos was also the god of theatre, Ar. was satirising his patron. It has to be Dionysos who goes to Hades in order to collect Eur. for this reason. Yes, he was portrayed as a buffoon - the swapping of the character of a god and Xanthias the slave was a good comic twist. X...
by auctor
Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:47 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: This is the book of Liddell and Scott...
Replies: 2
Views: 1486

This seems to be the epitome of that ancient poetic device mimesis or imitatio . Rather than duplicating posts in English it would be rather more fun to render the sentiment into Greek verse. Any metrical scheme is welcome, but I suppose an elegiac couplet with an invective tone would be best. As a ...
by auctor
Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:47 am
Forum: Open Board
Topic: lunate sigma
Replies: 20
Views: 9269

Chris, Unless I've missed a point nobody is suggesting either type of 's' is more scholarly than the other. I was pointing out that if the economics of employing one extra character were prohibitive then that would not augur well for scholarship. Regarding OCTs: I'm home for a while and have all my ...
by auctor
Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:25 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: lunate sigma
Replies: 20
Views: 9269

That doesn't bode well for scholarly works. If the cost of using medial and final sigmas is prohibitive then how can any serious publisher hope to attract the attentions of serious authors? The Oxford and Cambridge University Presses both use the two sigmas; my Loebs near to hand have them; in fact,...
by auctor
Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:47 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Aristophanes
Replies: 8
Views: 2755

Throughout the play Aesch. makes a big point out of ridiculing Soph. for taking the day-to-day humdrum of life as the basis for his plays. There is nothing so humdrum as an oil flask. It can also be seen as a euphemism for a membrum virile. Taking that line of thought puts a new level of humour into...
by auctor
Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:36 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Book Dedication (Latin Elegiac Couplet)
Replies: 4
Views: 5851

Tom, Regarding the mute/liquid situation... You are probably working in the correct direction but as you have quoted the 'rule' you are leaving yourself open to future complications. In Latin and Greek a mute/liquid combination MAY leave the preceding syllable short IF it was already short. Which is...
by auctor
Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:05 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Rules 1.3 **members please don't read**
Replies: 6
Views: 1711

... which would have been more funny, and even bordering on the topical, if it were in Greek or Latin!
Paul McK
by auctor
Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:41 pm
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Ides of March Contest ... let's wrap this up!
Replies: 35
Views: 9398

Greek please Jeff

Paul
by auctor
Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:14 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Sophistry?
Replies: 1
Views: 3651

Not the most artistic of efforts but here is another version in Latin hendecasyllables...

ioco te facile erudire possum
discendo bene te ferire possum.

It is from song 9 by Point in Act 1: The Yeomen of the Guard
by auctor
Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:13 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Sophistry?
Replies: 1
Views: 3651

Sophistry?

I found this quote from The Yeoman of the Guard by W S Gilbert and felt to inspired to give it a fresh version. So here it is in in a pair of iambic trims

ἔξεστί μοι σε παιδιαῖς φρενοῦν σοφαῖς ὑμᾶς πλανᾶν γελῶντι δ’ οῦν ἔξεστί μοι
by auctor
Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Late Summer Intensive? Plato's Alcibiades
Replies: 19
Views: 6926

Will, I fully understand your inclination for Alcibiades having just shelled out for it but given your interests can I suggest that Ion would be a better bet for you - good solid Platonic Attic and it's about poetry. I have it in a Green & Yellow called 'Plato: On Poetry' which also includes a coupl...
by auctor
Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:15 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Verse challenge: Paean on the new Sappho
Replies: 9
Views: 8331

Short, sweet, and pretty much off the cuff...
[size=150] πολυψαμαθῳ τοπῳ δ’ἠν, ἀνα στομασ’ αυθις ἐστιν.

It was in a very sandy place,
It is again on (our/my) lips.

It's hardly ever going to set the poetic world alight, but it may provide a match for someone's tinder.
Paul McK
by auctor
Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:42 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: a new whole poem by Sappho found!
Replies: 24
Views: 14453

... and a slightly less sensationalist account by Dr West is at
http://tinyurl.com/ak4d5
still it's very good news.
On a related but perhaps unrealistic note, I wonder if there will ever be the technology available to recapture lost sound - that could open a whole can of worms!

Paul McK
by auctor
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:32 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: "full moon"
Replies: 2
Views: 1237

Ancient...
ἡ πανσέληνος [/size]
was used by the tragedians and Aristophanes at least.
by auctor
Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:35 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ecphrasis
Replies: 4
Views: 4787

Sorry about the terseness of yesterday's post - hastily scribbled before heading off to London for a luncheon, it was after 11pm before I returned by which time I was neither of a mind nor state to respond properly, so here goes... A literal translation of mine, My friend, your evil contrivance take...
by auctor
Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:14 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ecphrasis
Replies: 4
Views: 4787

κατ‐εχω[/size] 3rd pl. imp.

to hold, keep back, withhold,
to check, restrain, bridle

or, more precisely in this context,
to keep <someone> at a distance
by auctor
Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:35 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ecphrasis
Replies: 4
Views: 4787

Ecphrasis

An invective distich addressed to Alexander G Bell from Ambrose Bierce.

ὠ φίλε, σοῦ δε κακός κερδῶν δόλος ἄττα καθαῖρει ὥς ἅ κατεῖκον ἐκεῖ τους αδίκους φλέδονας. [/size]
by auctor
Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:08 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Where eagles dare
Replies: 3
Views: 4511

Yes Will, I realise that my Latin scribbling did not comply with any precise classical format. I was 'boundary-pushing' in the manner of tricolon auctum in an effort to replicate Tennyson's build up of excitement - the bird(s) sit alone doing nix before swooping down for their devastating finale... ...
by auctor
Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:28 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Where eagles dare
Replies: 3
Views: 4511

Where eagles dare

As is so often the case, the idea behind the poem has been translated rather than each word in isolation. Aquilae saxo unguibus haerent; ad solum incomitatae stant, sudo circumiuntur axeque. subter, marmora spumant; ex altis speculantur, ast nunc, fulmen similis, necant male. per The Eagle: Alfred, ...
by auctor
Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:38 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: ... fame in keen iambics...
Replies: 0
Views: 2653

... fame in keen iambics...

Will's caveat in an earlier thread against getting stuck in an iambic or dactylic rut could be neatly balanced by this pair of translations of Catullus, the English by Sir William Marris , and the Greek by yours truly

At non effugies meos iambos

You shan’t evade
These rhymes I’ve made
[size=150] ἐμον γ’ ἰαμβον οὐδαμως σβεσεις

But I do agree with Will's sentiment, our metrical pencils should be shoved as far afield as poss. Those glyconic and pherecratean lines I fiddled with a while ago seemed to fill themselves up quite easily in Greek.

xx-uu-u-
and
xx-uu--
by auctor
Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:25 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Old friend re-revisited
Replies: 0
Views: 3126

Old friend re-revisited

cum graviter noctu quatient in turribus aeres
tum misero prisco vir rubicundus ero

AEH

... which gets around the ~~e before prisco. But I wonder whether the plethora of o's makes it sound like a jingle for car insurance on independent telly.
by auctor
Tue May 31, 2005 3:27 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Gradus...
Replies: 3
Views: 4593

Ah well, the wind is now in full possession of all of my caution - Ainger & Wintle, and Jackson both ordered for twenty squids (the lot, not each!). More reference should make finding suitable words easier than thumbing through dicts. so I'll have more time to concentrate on other things - I can see...
by auctor
Tue May 31, 2005 2:11 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Gradus...
Replies: 3
Views: 4593

The link appeared in one of the first two threads at the bottom of this board. It's supposed to be a French, free Latin GaP. I appear to have arrived here quite some time after everyone else, wonder how I missed it. I'll stick Jackson and Ainger & Wintle onto that scraplet in my pocket - but since I...
by auctor
Tue May 31, 2005 11:25 am
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Gradus...
Replies: 3
Views: 4593

Gradus...

Has anybody had any luck in getting http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-73779 link to work? All I manage is one page of a .pdf with a bit of scribble. There is a very old one for sale on 'that' internet auction site somewhere, I noticed yesterday. I'm convinced that with...