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by gerases
Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: about the use of "de"
Replies: 2
Views: 2318

Re: about the use of "de"

IMHO, it means something along the lines of "because of" here.

So it says something like "Hence because of your divine rationality you were given a crown"

By the way, it's "quae te speculum" :)
by gerases
Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:16 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Heu, fuge, nate dea, teque his" ait "eripe flammis!
Replies: 6
Views: 3578

Re: Heu, fuge, nate dea, teque his" ait "eripe flammis!

Vide "Dativum Separativum".
by gerases
Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:08 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: moriere
Replies: 3
Views: 2087

Re: moriere

"Moriere" can also be second person indicative future if I understand your question correctly.
by gerases
Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:27 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recténe verto?
Replies: 6
Views: 2817

Re: Recténe verto?

Gaudiō mihi est vertendī cōnātūs meōs tibi placēre.
by gerases
Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:59 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recténe verto?
Replies: 6
Views: 2817

Re: Recténe verto?

Ita, me ineptum! Et gratias tibi de alterâ versione.
Noli tam durus in te esse. Flocci est.

Quid de hoc reris?
Ut piscem capias opus est hamō vel aliquā rē ad eundem usum aptā, ut acū.
vel:
Ut piscem capias oportet/necesse est hamō vel aliquā rē ad eundem usum aptā (e.g., acū) utaris.
by gerases
Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:14 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recténe verto?
Replies: 6
Views: 2817

Re: Recténe verto?

Ita sic (per tempus praesentum solum) in sermones latinos verto. Amabò te, recténe verto?
Per tempus praesens?

I think there are many ways to say all those and I like your versions. For the 3rd, I would also say:
Harundinem ex arcu linea et ligno ejus utens conficere potes.
by gerases
Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'
Replies: 9
Views: 7163

Re: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'

I think it would be cool if someone re-typed the dictionary -- if it is indeed in the public domain. Anybody know of such a typing service and how much it would cost for a dictionary like this? It probably have to be done in some interchangeable format. XML is best, but even HTML would work. The pos...
by gerases
Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Spoken Latin
Replies: 11
Views: 5013

Re: Spoken Latin

Has anyone used this method? Yes, I used it at Schola Latina Universalis. It's not bad, but I doubt one will speak great Latin after following through with it. Much is needed to speak I think. I never finished the course, but I went through the book almost completely. I don't know if there's one bo...
by gerases
Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:53 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sentence from Ciceronis Filius
Replies: 8
Views: 4274

Re: Sentence from Ciceronis Filius

I don't remember the page in Adler's http://books.google.com/books/about/A_practical_grammar_of_the_Latin_languag.html?id=GJgAAAAAYAAJ , but he deals with this issue at great length in one of the chapters on agreement. It's actually, if my memory doesn't fail me, more frequent to see alius alium + p...
by gerases
Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:20 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'
Replies: 9
Views: 7163

Re: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'

I just changed some settings. Please try again and let me know how it worked.

Modo mutavi proprietates quasdam. Rogo iterum tentes documentum detrahere. Fac me certiorem cesseritne bene necne.
by gerases
Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'
Replies: 9
Views: 7163

Re: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'

Here's the link, please let me know if it doesn't work or whatever.
by gerases
Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:58 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'
Replies: 9
Views: 7163

Re: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'

I downloaded Cassell, extracted each page, reduced its size and reassembled the pdf. It's much faster now, but the file size jumped to 320 MB. I could upload it somewhere so it can be used by more people. Is that dictionary in the public domain?
by gerases
Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'
Replies: 9
Views: 7163

Re: Review: Forcellini's 'Lexicon totius Latinitatis'

What a treasure you found. It's really cool. Not only the monolingual dictionary is priceless but also Cassell's in PDF -- I didn't know it existed. Only this morning when driving to work I thought how nice it would be to have Cassell on iPhone. Now, if the monolingual dictionary was available on iP...
by gerases
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:57 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Occido (kill) and Occido (fall) are two different verbs?
Replies: 2
Views: 3235

Re: Occido (kill) and Occido (fall) are two different verbs?

I've just realised that the verb occido, occidere, occidi, occisum - to Kill is distinguished from occido, occidere, occidi, - to fall. Strange... as they are clearly the same word... Yes, except the meaning, spelling and pronounciation are different (the bold is the stress): occ ī do, occ ī dī, oc...
by gerases
Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sentence from Ciceronis Filius
Replies: 8
Views: 4274

Re: Sentence from Ciceronis Filius

I think yes, quod here refers to idem . quod verbum idem significat quam purificatio. . ... so quam wouldn't work here, because what would quam refer to? Then it would have to be something like: quod verbum eandem notionem significat quam purificatio. idem significat ut purificatio Doesn't sound wro...
by gerases
Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:45 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

The reason why I did not mention Imber was not because I wanted to conceal it, but because: 1. I did not want to appeal to authority. 2. I did not want creat an impression that I was assembling an army, which would not be fair. Imber has a link to this conversation and from that point, my conscience...
by gerases
Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:59 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

There are probably several ways to fix that sentence. The two that come to mind are: 1. Replace the "et" with "cum" and put all the following verbs in Perfect Subjunctive. 2. Replace the "et" with "ut" and put all the following verbs in Imperfect Subjunctive. Whichever way there is, the following is...
by gerases
Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

This is interesting: http://books.google.com/books?id=9yVR5Fac278C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22nec+dubium+est,+quid%22&source=bl&ots=nWfNDi0OOz&sig=WU4ss46o47Q-XfsHOGLnGD0i1Co&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RtP_T7LiBJC0qAGe2J2gBw&sqi=2&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22nec%20dubium%20est%2C%20quid%22&f=false The paragraph d...
by gerases
Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

I was just re-reading A&G on the sequence of tenses and stumbled across the example you gave at some point in our discussion, namely: Quaero a te cur C. Cornelium non defenderem? I ask you why I was not to defend Caius Cornelius? [Direct: cur non defenderem?] To which I said: I don't know the contex...
by gerases
Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:35 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Flocci est, Adriane. Gratias tibi iterum.
by gerases
Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:18 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: In iis
Replies: 2
Views: 1293

Re: In iis

Si Anglice loqueris, mente finge "among them" vel etiam "in them [included]" cum haec constructio tibi occurrit.

Vale.
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Here's the way Bennett describes it and hence a partial source of my confusion -- because I didn't remember "a.": To denote the repeated occurrence of an act, ut, ubi, simul atque, as often as, when following an historical tense, take the Pluperfect Indicative; as,— ut quisque Verris animum offender...
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:12 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Looked at 542. Indeed very valuable info. Live and learn. Thanks!
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

But temporal clauses only take the subjunctive when there's an expectation of something. In this case we only have the meaning close to "whenever", which is usually with at best indicative pluperfect. Si doesn't take the subjunctive very often unless something is contrary to the fact or something li...
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:24 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

It might be but there's no indirect speech, result clause, purpose clause or anything else I see that would require verbs in the subjunctive in the dependent clauses. No?
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Got the sequence of tenses, but why not just the corresponding indicative forms: occucurrerat and addormiscebat?
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:01 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Thank you much for your insight. While we're on the subjunctive, can you explain to me its use here (ex eodem opere): Nec eo minus contumeliis obnoxius vixit. Nam et si paulo serius ad praedictam cenae horam occurrisset, non nisi aegre et circuito demum triclinio recipiebatur, et quotiens post cibum...
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:36 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Quaero a te cur C. Cornelium non defenderem? I ask you why I was not to defend Caius Cornelius? [Direct: cur non defenderem?] I don't know the context of that sentence but it just looks as a direct question within oratio obliqua, not something contrary to the fact. I.e., I ask you why I was not def...
by gerases
Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:24 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

The problem with contrary to the fact is that with imperfect subj it signifies
something contrary to now and the narration is about the past. So you can't
translate that as "wouldn't have" can you? I admit I was wrong about the sequence
of tenses. But what about the alternative reading?
by gerases
Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:13 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Re: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Situation contrary to fact, since he did include him. But then why not "nuncupavisset" (to observe the sequence of tenses)? To complicate it a bit further, a note about that sentence says that instead of "e parte sexta", second Roman edition had "ne parte sexta". http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer...
by gerases
Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"
Replies: 29
Views: 11898

Sententia ex Suetonii "Vita Divi Claudii"

Nec dubium est, quid post haec Augustus constituerit, et reliquerit eum nullo praeter auguralis sacerdotii honore impertitum ac ne heredem quidem nisi inter tertios ac paene extraneos e parte sexta nuncuparet, legato quoque non amplius quam octingentorum sestertiorum prosecutus. The meaning is clea...
by gerases
Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:46 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar
Replies: 8
Views: 13344

Re: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar

There is one more grammar book that I rarely hear mentioned which is in my opinion outstanding if not the best. It's Latin Grammar by Carl Zumpt. His treatment of many subtle moments is superb. Take his explanation of "quin" and "quominus" as an example. Haven't seen it better explained anywhere. Or...
by gerases
Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar
Replies: 8
Views: 13344

Re: Recommendations for Latin dictionary and grammar

It's just me, but the definitions of Lewis & Short are so cluttered that I never use it, period. Luckily, since my native language is Russian, I have one more option when I need a really expanded definition -- I get it from a Russian-Latin dictionary by Dvoretskij, which can be found through Yandex ...
by gerases
Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:09 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Subject and Predicate: telling apart
Replies: 4
Views: 3364

Re: Subject and Predicate: telling apart

Interesting about Martial. The reason why I started worrying myself about subjects and predicates is because of infinitives. When I was reading about infinitives w/o subject accusative, Bennett says that when such an infinitive is used as the subject of a sentence: ... it may take a Predicate Noun o...
by gerases
Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:53 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Subject and Predicate: telling apart
Replies: 4
Views: 3364

Subject and Predicate: telling apart

In the following sentence, how do we identify the subject and predicate? aliud est īrācundum esse, aliud īrātum Is the subject "aliud" or is it "īrācundum esse"? In a related question, whenever there is est or any form of esse in a sentence, how do we identify the subject? For example: a est b. Is "...
by gerases
Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:33 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help scanning a hexameter
Replies: 5
Views: 2611

Re: Help scanning a hexameter

Yes, I just had to finish reading the chapter on prosody in my textbook to see that elided vowels are not scanned at all. Thanks for the reply.
by gerases
Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:25 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: ipsum, adv?
Replies: 2
Views: 1411

Re: ipsum, adv?

ipsum here is an adjective modifying "quod" and "verbum", i.e., "quod ipsum verbum", "which word itself".
is ipsum here adverbial? (can n. acc. generally be adv?)
Some neutral adjectives have become adverbs. E.g.: facile, multum, paulum. See Bennett 77.3.
by gerases
Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:26 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help scanning a hexameter
Replies: 5
Views: 2611

Re: Help scanning a hexameter

Ah, good point. Thank you. Speaking of elision though, I don't quite understand how you can elide something and still keep the meter. In this case, the extra 'o' was removed so the meter would be kept, but I think elision happens a lot on an already conformant line. Can somebody elucidate this for me?
by gerases
Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help scanning a hexameter
Replies: 5
Views: 2611

Re: Help scanning a hexameter

Turns out "neo" (mistake in Bennett's grammar from Guttenberg) should be "nec", which changes the whole meaning and the scanning!

Ver-gi-li / um vī / tan / tum nec a / -ra Ti- / bul-

On to the pentameter :)