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by ragnar_deerslayer
Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.
Replies: 20
Views: 2128

Re: Learning Latin only to understand Classics.

Justin Slocum Bailey has some good advice based on his road to fluent Latin reading:
http://indwellinglanguage.com/reading-l ... tensively/
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Beginner at Latin
Replies: 9
Views: 2253

Re: Beginner at Latin

Modern Second Language Acquisition studies over the last several decades have repeatedly demonstrated the ineffectiveness of explicit grammar instruction in language acquisition. Brief overview here: https://magisterp.com/2018/07/02/studies-showing-the-ineffectiveness-grammar-instruction/ Please not...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Herodotus
Replies: 4
Views: 1637

Re: Herodotus

It's worth mentioning that Steadman puts PDFs of his books up on his website for free:

https://geoffreysteadman.com/

Also, since he self-publishes, if you find any errors, he can correct and update his for-sale copy.

Also also, he has a beta version of Herodotus Book 7 up as well.
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: True Story (concerning graded readers)
Replies: 9
Views: 3169

Re: True Story (concerning graded readers)

Came here looking for a graded reader version of Lucian's True Story.
by ragnar_deerslayer
Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: is this correct English?
Replies: 7
Views: 2691

Re: Adler: is this correct English?

It is correct. "Of Roman orators" is a grammatically-correct shortening of "of the Roman orators" or "of all Roman orators." It might have a slight nuance of informality, as most shortenings do, but not by much. I agree with calvinist that "the most eloquent Roman orator" is more natural (= less for...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:41 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: studying Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 3435

Re: studying Greek

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. Koine is a limited subset of Attic; what you learn for one will generally (with some exceptions) apply to the other. The Living Koine book I mentioned is 10 chapters of 100 pictures each, with some exercises. The audio for each picture is either the name of the object or a...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: studying Greek
Replies: 6
Views: 3435

Re: studying Greek

Memorizing verb endings was a losing battle for me. (I say that from three years of seminary Greek.) If you're like me, here's what I'd suggest: 1. Use Randall Buth's " Living Koine Greek " ("Introduction Part One"). This will start you out thinking in Greek and teach you the Restored Koine pronunci...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:56 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Best Order to Use LLPSI Readers and Supplements?
Replies: 7
Views: 5086

Re: Best Order to Use LLPSI Readers and Supplements?

The following is the list I've made from my notes. It includes all the Lingua Latina supplements that I know of, plus a number of other non-LL readings that experts have suggested to read at various times. Most of my LL notes come from the individual descriptions of the books on the LL website. Read...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:59 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Necessary books?
Replies: 9
Views: 5262

Re: Necessary books?

For reference: Latin by the Dowling Method

Among the “speak Latin” circles, Adler's A Pactical Grammar of the Latin Language is popular in either paperback or pdf, especially accompanied by Evan Millner's audio of it in Restored pronunciation.

Ragnar
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:11 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Classical Languages for Toddlers
Replies: 27
Views: 20064

Re: Classical Languages for Toddlers

Athanatos, you probably want to investigate homeschooling resources for classical education or Mounce's Kids' Greek . There are plenty of parents out there teaching their children Greek and Latin, even though they received no formal education in those languages. Anyway, your nephew will be about 4 o...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:55 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek Ollendorff: How are you using it?
Replies: 15
Views: 11939

Greek Ollendorff: How are you using it?

It's been nearly a year since Bedwere completed his answer key for the Greek Ollendorff . Since then, both Bedwere and Randy Gibbons have posted their audio recordings for it (in Koine and Attic pronunciations, respectively). How have you been using it? Any tips for getting the most out of it? Ragnar
by ragnar_deerslayer
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:46 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: What Pronunciation scheme do you use?
Replies: 14
Views: 11047

Re: What Pronunciation scheme do you use?

You can see some videos of Rico's class (and hear his pronunciation) here.

Also, the English version of Polis has been "in production" for years. Last I heard, it was tabled until he finished his second edition of Polis. In other words, don't hold your breath.

Ragnar
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:16 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: What Pronunciation scheme do you use?
Replies: 14
Views: 11047

Re: What Pronunciation scheme do you use?

My understanding is that the Restored Koine pronunciation of Randall Buth is pretty much exactly like modern Greek with two extra vowels that have since been lost, so I shouldn't think it would be that hard for you to switch. I decided, after three years of seminary Greek, to switch to the Buthian p...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:07 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Place to discuss in Ancient Greek?
Replies: 2
Views: 1834

Re: Place to discuss in Ancient Greek?

Sounds like what you want is the "Composition, Discussion, Debate" set of forums. They're at the bottom of the Board Index page.

Also, Schole.

Ragnar
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:09 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning ancient Greek by Speaking? But no teacher?
Replies: 12
Views: 6629

Re: Learning ancient Greek by Speaking? But no teacher?

I can really only speak about Koine Greek, but that can be a useful springboard for Attic. First, try the products and courses from Randall Buth at the Biblical Language Center . I did a ten-day immersion course last summer in Fresno, CA, and it was amazing. (My blog, linked in my signature, has som...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:29 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: When to stop translating with Orberg's Lingua Latina
Replies: 22
Views: 16107

Re: When to stop translating with Orberg's Lingua Latina

For some unilingual adults, it is too late to learn to think in another language. I would be incredibly surprised to find that there was ANY research ANYWHERE that substantiated this. Difficulty does not equal impossibility. Let me make sure I am not misunderstood: "Latin --> English --> object or ...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:02 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Index for Greek Ollendorff
Replies: 7
Views: 5798

Re: Index for Greek Ollendorff

Excellent! Now, if only there was an answer key available . . .

Are you up for that? That would make an awesome edition of the book.
by ragnar_deerslayer
Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:27 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek letters: reading without understanding
Replies: 5
Views: 3488

Re: Greek letters: reading without understanding

For ancient Greek, the gold standard is Allen's Vox Graeca . Check it out on Amazon and see if that's what you're looking for. For Koine Greek, I'd go with Randall Buth's Restored pronunciation . Right now, since I'm working on Koine, I pronounce all classical Greek in the Restored Koine pronunciati...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Mon May 21, 2012 2:10 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What to read after Athenaze
Replies: 3
Views: 3168

Re: What to read after Athenaze

After Athenaze, you could try Rouse's A Greek Boy at Home . If you go to Ed Donnelly's page , you'll find upwards of 30 “First Greek Reader”-type texts written for beginning students. I myself downloaded a dozen recommended by Spiphany . Once you feel you're up to an “intermediate” level, try some o...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu May 03, 2012 1:47 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Beginners book - Lingua-Latina equivalent?
Replies: 3
Views: 3791

Re: Beginners book - Lingua-Latina equivalent?

Currently, no there isn't. (And we have ALL bemoaned the lack thereof.) The closest thing is the JACT Reading Greek program in three volumes, which is just traditional grammar with lots of easy reading stories. There's also Athenaze, but it's the same approach as JACT, except without the answers to ...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:38 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Straight from LL Familia Romana to LL Roma Aeterna?
Replies: 3
Views: 4703

Re: Straight from LL Familia Romana to LL Roma Aeterna?

I have not progressed this far in Latin, but this is based on the research I've done to plan my own future Latin progress. First, there are two readers designed to accompany LL1 and are keyed to the chapters in it: Lingua Latina: Colloquia Personarum (keyed to first half of Familia Romana) Lingua La...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:22 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: How much reading?
Replies: 9
Views: 9503

Re: How much reading?

That's the key: repetition and reiteration. Do you remember Dr. Seuss's Green Eggs and Ham ? The whole book was done with only 50 different words. That's what we need to learn Koine: lots and lots of simple, easy sentences, where we know the vocabulary and can practice case and verb form recognition...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:52 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: How much reading?
Replies: 9
Views: 9503

Re: How much reading?

I hear you. I had two years of seminary Greek, then I spent a year studying on my own (30-45 minutes a day, 4-6 days a week), and I was really disappointed with my progress. I nailed down my paradigms better than I ever had them in school, but my reading speed was still slow. I clocked myself, and i...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:40 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?
Replies: 5
Views: 5708

Re: Are there any good online courses for learning Greek?

Michael W. Halcomb has his Νοουμεν Ελληνικα series for learning Koine Greek on YouTube. He's up to 23 3-5 minute shorts, and a new one has been appearing nearly every day. I think they're great, but they teach how to speak/understand Greek, not how to read it. The Institute of Biblical Greek also ha...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:44 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Want to learn Greek
Replies: 2
Views: 1617

Re: Want to learn Greek

If all you want to learn is technical scientific terms, you might be better just reading science journals in your field of interest and using a scientific dictionary to double-check terms. Alternatively, just get a good Greek dictionary to look up the roots of the words ("Let's see . . . epidermis =...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:28 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What are good books to help you study greek mythology?
Replies: 6
Views: 10106

Re: What are good books to help you study greek mythology?

The most well known is Mythology by Edith Hamilton. It's been pretty much the standard since 1942. I'd also throw out Bulfinch's Mythology (which also covers Norse, Egyptian, and other mythologies, as well as King Arthur stuff) and The Greek Myths by Robert Graves (usually in two volumes, but occasi...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:48 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Homeric vs. Attic
Replies: 3
Views: 4483

Re: Homeric vs. Attic

1. The general consensus is that it's easier to learn Greek starting with the earliest forms and moving forwards rather than starting with later Greek and working backwards. General rules in early Greek become obscure irregularities later. If you're already familiar with the earlier forms, the "obsc...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What's the point?
Replies: 138
Views: 54595

Re: What's the point?

In short, because it's a pleasing, enjoyable, and rewarding pastime. I do not expect that learning Latin will ever make me more money (although if homeschool parents asks me to tutor their children, it might). The obvious follow-up question is, what exactly do you find rewarding about the difficult ...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:32 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Athenaze Italian Edition
Replies: 0
Views: 1235

Athenaze Italian Edition

After two years of seminary Greek, I'm wanting to build my skills in Attic using Athenaze Italian Edition. I figure I can use Google Translate for the Italian parts. Is there any answer key to the exercises available, either online or in book form? I also see that there are exercise books, μελετηματ...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:31 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Learning Greek?
Replies: 2
Views: 1727

Re: Learning Greek?

Koine is a simplification of Attic. In particular, the dual form of the verbs dropped out, and the optative is almost entirely unused. There are a few other minor points (contractions of some vowels, I think), but I'd estimate that above 95% of what you learn in a New Testament Greek class is direct...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:37 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Best print on demand company?
Replies: 4
Views: 2230

Re: Best print on demand company?

Smyth's original 1920 work is now out of copyright and has been reprinted by a number of different companies. However, it was updated in 1956 by Gordan Messing and published by Harvard University Press. This version is still under copyright and only published by Harvard UP. This is the version that ...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Beginner self-study
Replies: 10
Views: 22815

Re: Beginner self-study

A quick guide to Lingua Latina textbook series: What you need to start: Lingua Latina Pars I Familia Romana (the textbook itself) Lingua Latina Pars I Exercitia Latina (the exercise workbook for drilling the material) Lingua Latina: Teachers’ Materials & Answer Keys (for checking your work) Optional...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:13 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Sirens, Mermaids, and Gorgons, Oh My!
Replies: 4
Views: 5181

Re: Sirens, Mermaids, and Gorgons, Oh My!

Interesting. I seem to recall that "gorgon" is also confused with a bull-creature, from being printed on a coin whose reverse side held an image of the Cretan minotaur. As far as change in folklore, the story of the Three Bears, as originally published by the British poet Robert Southey in 1837, fea...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:08 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: ἰσχύω
Replies: 2
Views: 2831

ἰσχύω

Why is the aorist of ἰσχύω ἴσχυσα? Why doesn't it take an augment and become εἰσχυσα or ἠσχυσα? Mounce's Morphology put it in "the largest category of verbs and most 'regular'" (page 250).

(Working on Mark 14:37)

Thanks
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:18 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Septuagint Vocabulary
Replies: 3
Views: 4624

Septuagint Vocabulary

I don't have access to Accordance or similar software, so I'm asking here: How many unique words are in the LXX (Swete's or Rahlf's, I'm not particular) that are not in the Greek New Testament? How many unique words are in the GNT that are not in the LXX? I'm just trying to get a feel for the ratios...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:31 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Dobson vs. Hale
Replies: 3
Views: 3666

Dobson vs. Hale

I've finished Mounce, but I'm sure there are a lot of finer points I've missed. I was going to do a second pass through it, but I read somewhere that for a second pass, it might be better to use a different textbook. If I'm going to use a different textbook, I wanted one that would provide lots of e...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:27 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mark 14:34
Replies: 2
Views: 3141

Re: Mark 14:34

Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for!

Ragnar
by ragnar_deerslayer
Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:45 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mark 14:34
Replies: 2
Views: 3141

Mark 14:34

In Mark 14:34, I found the Greek word μεινατε. I couldn't figure it out, so I looked it up, and it's parsed as the AAImp2P of μενω. By my understanding, if μενω is first aorist, the result should be μενσατε. I guess the sigma could drop out for pronunciation, but it doesn't seem that hard to pronoun...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:15 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: "Intermediate" Greek Questions
Replies: 6
Views: 6421

Re: "Intermediate" Greek Questions

It's been nearly two weeks and nobody's given you an answer, so I'll chime in. I'm not quite as advanced as you are, but the BDAG has been tremendously useful for my NT study. It's full title, though, is A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature , so it doesn'...
by ragnar_deerslayer
Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:52 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mounce edition question
Replies: 1
Views: 2043

Mounce edition question

I have a first edition of Mounce's BBG (left over from my seminary days). I see that it's up to third edition now on Amazon. Is it worth the $31 to upgrade, now that I'm getting back into Greek again?

Thanks!