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by calvinist
Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: How do you pronounce your Latin?
Replies: 20
Views: 11549

Re: How do you pronounce your Latin?

I started out using the classical pronunciation without vowel length distinctions or geminate consonants, but about a year ago I decided to make an effort with vowel length and gemination. I felt like giving up many times because training oneself to develop a feel for morae is quite a hill climb. Th...
by calvinist
Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:01 am
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Seeking NT in modern Greek pronunciation
Replies: 13
Views: 9143

Re: Seeking NT in modern Greek pronunciation

This is in my opinion the best recording of the NT in MG pronunciation: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 08671D260F The reading speed is perfect: not rushed, and not pedantically slow. It feels like natural conversation. It's not robotic and it's not overly expressive.
by calvinist
Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:02 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween
Replies: 7
Views: 2887

Re: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween

Most languages aren't afraid to pick up the occasional foreign word, especially if it is something totally foreign, and I don't think Latin should be either. As Latin enthusiasts, I think we're always looking for the "purist" way to state everything, but if we're attempting to be modern and colloqu...
by calvinist
Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:28 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: From Cato's instructions - Gerundive
Replies: 4
Views: 1961

Re: From Cato's instructions - Gerundive

Dear brothers, Very interested, although I have passed all chapters of "Latin for Beginners" of D'ooge, I still face some obstacles when reading the real text, and your support is crucial for me I took that sentence from a website that collects Latin passages for Beginners and Intermediate :D That ...
by calvinist
Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:05 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween
Replies: 7
Views: 2887

Re: Experimenting with a Neo-Latin Coinage for Halloween

I think coining new terms is great, because some conversational use is helpful in learning the language. I try to speak Latin as much as I can at home and my 2 year old son uses some Latin words already like aquam (he always uses the accusative), vacuum est (when his cup is empty), salve , and he un...
by calvinist
Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:25 pm
Forum: Civilization and Culture of the Greeks and Romans
Topic: Roman song
Replies: 5
Views: 3406

Re: Roman song

Synaulia is a group that has done research into ancient Greek and Roman music and has made some music meant to reproduce what it may have sounded like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJLXyBzMci0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaulia
by calvinist
Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:41 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: The Latin style of Leo the Great
Replies: 5
Views: 2434

Re: The Latin style of Leo the Great

Shenoute wrote: Well, I for one find your recordings very pleasant. I downloaded the Confessions some time ago (and the Imitation more recently) and listen to them regularly.
Where can I find these?
by calvinist
Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: audêre = achieve?
Replies: 4
Views: 1735

Re: Adler: audêre = achieve?

It's not the rendering I would expect, but LS does list "undertake, venture" as a meaning: ausus, a, um, ventured, attempted, undertaken, hence subst.: au-sum, i, n., a daring attempt, a venture, an undertaking, enterprise It also lists that it can be used "absolutely" with the object understood, wh...
by calvinist
Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:34 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Free Text
Replies: 0
Views: 1611

Free Text

I'm giving away my copy of Introduction to Latin by Susan Shelmerdine (Revised First Edition). It's used and with a few marks in some of the earlier chapters but otherwise in good condition. Send me a PM if you want it and we'll work out the shipping.
by calvinist
Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:28 pm
Forum: Wheelock's Latin
Topic: Free Text
Replies: 0
Views: 4033

Free Text

I'm giving away my copy of Wheelock's (6th edition). Used but in great condition and no marks. Send me a PM if you want it and we'll work out the shipping.
by calvinist
Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:26 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Basics of Biblical Greek Workbook
Replies: 0
Views: 2015

Basics of Biblical Greek Workbook

I have the workbook for Mounce's grammar (2nd edition) in almost new condition. I'm giving it away. If anyone wants it send me a PM and we'll work out the shipping.
by calvinist
Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:17 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Governor
Replies: 8
Views: 5681

Re: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Gove

Now that I read through again I think the indicative should be used here: Dum Romanus præses recta infra prætereat since the connection is merely temporal. Actually, an ablative absolute with a present participle might be more idiomatic: Romano praeside recta infra praetereunte,... By the way, how d...
by calvinist
Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:48 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Governor
Replies: 8
Views: 5681

Re: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Gove

I quickly scanned through the rest. The Opus est ne effugiat! seems awkward to me. I'm not sure opus est can be used with a subjunctive clause like that. I think utinam ne effugiat or simply ne effugiat communicates the same thing.
by calvinist
Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:36 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Governor
Replies: 8
Views: 5681

Re: Ben-Hur Translation Page 4: Terrorist Attack on the Gove

I've only looked over the first few lines (Latin side), but I think it should be Vide quam superbus videatur since it's modifying an adjective. I'll look through the others later when I have more time. Hopefully Michael will give his input, I know he said he's not into the comic book thing, but he's...
by calvinist
Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:46 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: St John Chrysostom - World compared to theater
Replies: 3
Views: 1480

Re: St John Chrysostom - World compared to theater

As Paul said, I would render it "As in life, so in death".
by calvinist
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:36 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Help needed understanding use of pronouns (eo, ea)
Replies: 3
Views: 1577

Re: Help needed understanding use of pronouns (eo, ea)

is could be used here, if the sense were is non est bestia fera with is acting as a pronoun referring back to canis , but the sense is ea bestia non est fera ; fera should be taken as a predicate adjective here, at least that's how I read it: Canis amicus hominis est, ea bestia... fera non est. As ...
by calvinist
Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:55 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: translation question
Replies: 4
Views: 1852

Re: translation question

passurum is accusative-singular-masculine in agreement with se (referring back to populus) which is the accusative subject of the accusative-infinitive (here future) clause. However, English wants "they" here unless you render populus with "populace" which would take "it".
by calvinist
Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: translation question
Replies: 4
Views: 1852

Re: translation question

passurum is accusative-singular-masculine in agreement with se (referring back to populus ) which is the accusative subject of the accusative-infinitive (here future) clause. However, English wants "they" here unless you render populus with "populace" which would take "it". Sorry for the double pos...
by calvinist
Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:23 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: Agreement of verbs
Replies: 4
Views: 1910

Re: Adler: Agreement of verbs

mwh wrote:You don’t want mwh to chime in on the first one, you want a real latinist, which I don’t pretend to be.
Perhaps, but you've proven to be very knowledgeable in both Latin and Greek. I know that I have a lot of respect for your ability.
by calvinist
Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:07 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What to read after Wheelock's
Replies: 20
Views: 11164

Re: What to read after Wheelock's

Thank you. Mr. Donnelly's list should be very useful. I wish all such resources could be listed in one place that one doesn't have to dig so hard to find gold. One down side is that it seems all the Google resources cannot be printed out; at least I've not found a way to do it. Nothing like a book ...
by calvinist
Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:03 pm
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: υ/η merger
Replies: 7
Views: 2662

Re: υ/η merger

I'm not sure I'd say Η and Υ are graphically similar, η and υ I can see being confused (being almost inversions of each other) but the uppercase forms are quite distinct. Greek eventually replaced those forms with the modern ones, and the impetus seems to have been the sound merger. If they merged s...
by calvinist
Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:40 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: Agreement of verbs
Replies: 4
Views: 1910

Re: Adler: Agreement of verbs

The first one seemed odd to me as well with fecisti , but I think that is me reading English syntax into it. non tu mihi dolorem fecisti, sed liberi tui wouldn't bother me, and the only difference is the word order, which tells me that my native English word-order-based-syntax is why I don't like it...
by calvinist
Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:30 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: Quid + partitive genitive
Replies: 1
Views: 1266

Re: Adler: Quid + partitive genitive

quid + gen. is a common construction in Latin, more than just words of measure/weight: quid novi? "what's new?" quid mali tibi accidit? "what evil befell you?" vis aliquid cibi? "Want some food?" All of these are common uses of this construction. Both quid munerum and quae munera would be fine, I'm...
by calvinist
Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:07 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: What to read after Wheelock's
Replies: 20
Views: 11164

Re: What to read after Wheelock's

I know you said you tried Lingua Latina before Wheelock's and didn't like it, but I think it would be a great way to consolidate what you know and build some more vocabulary after finishing Wheelock. I don't think LL is good for a self-taught absolute beginner (and that's not what it was intended fo...
by calvinist
Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:19 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Rhythm of Homer
Replies: 3
Views: 1796

Re: The Rhythm of Homer

These sound really good, Joel. The rhythm really comes through in your reading in a very natural way; I think your hard work is really paying off. One thing I noticed that thew me off some was your pronunciation of προιαψεν and πρωτα. You break up the consonant cluster -πρ- and pronounce it almost π...
by calvinist
Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:23 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: υ/η merger
Replies: 7
Views: 2662

Re: υ/η merger

As Joel said, that is very early. I'm not sure that there is a "consensus" in this area, but from what I've read a common view is that the Koine in the 1st century had lost vowel length and the mergers were: υ=οι, ει=ι, ο=ω, ε=αι, and η was still a distinct phoneme. The η -> ι merger happened before...
by calvinist
Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:13 am
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Euthyphro pt. 1 video (with subtitles)
Replies: 1
Views: 1270

Re: Euthyphro pt. 1 video (with subtitles)

It sounds rather good to me, but I did notice you inserted a glottal stop to break up hiatus a couple times.
by calvinist
Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:08 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: question regarding the tense of "SPOLIAT"
Replies: 2
Views: 1328

Re: question regarding the tense of "SPOLIAT"

It is indicative. It's a 1st conjugation verb: spoliare . The -iat ending does look subjunctive as that is a common subjunctive ending found in 4th and 3rd -io verbs: audiat, capiat, dormiat, faciat, etc. Verbs in -iare aren't very common but they do occur; I believe they are all denominative verbs:...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:54 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: librorum "coemendi" causa?
Replies: 5
Views: 2182

Re: librorum "coemendi" causa?

I see nothing odd with this construction, it's simply the supine expressing purpose after a verb of motion: libros comparatum eo . The supine can take a direct object in the accusative. EDIT Disregard. I misread the post. It's a hybrid: half gerund, half gerundive construction. As mwh pointed out th...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:33 pm
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Ben-Hur Translation Page 2: Ben-Hur and Messala Clash!
Replies: 22
Views: 15517

Re: Ben-Hur Translation Page 2: Ben-Hur and Messala clash!

According to what I understand: The Subjunctive is used to describe somethings that are not fact, or somethings that are result of a particular condition I think all attempts to box the Latin Subjunctive into a simple definition fail, but there is a lot of truth to this statement. Don't try to "pin...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:22 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Latin and other Indo-European languages
Replies: 14
Views: 3715

Re: Latin and other Indo-European languages

Paul, I've actually come to the same exact conclusion: the number of speakers in a language is directly proportional to it's conformance to regular, simple patterns. I think there is a parallel to this in cultures themselves: as they get larger and encompass more people they "level" and their core v...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:40 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Construction "alter alterum"
Replies: 5
Views: 2301

Re: Construction "alter alterum"

Toward a more equal world, perhaps? If only. A language is as sexist as its culture, no? Gender is not sexist (or not overtly, the feminist in me has to add), but privileging masculine over feminine is. Without turning it into a political debate I'll just add that the phrase "equal world" is heavil...
by calvinist
Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:48 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Construction "alter alterum"
Replies: 5
Views: 2301

Re: Construction "alter alterum"

Latin’s a sexist language. Funny you say that; I've seen people actually propose removing gender from Spanish because it's sexist. Then again, bathrooms are incredibly sexist. I don't think we're far off from uni-sex or pan-sex bathrooms. Society is progressing... but toward what? That's enough of ...
by calvinist
Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:42 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: error in Key to Exercise 33
Replies: 3
Views: 1471

Re: Adler: error in Key to Exercise 33

Yes, the feminines would be correct as well.
by calvinist
Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:38 pm
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: Mark 1:4 and John 1:6
Replies: 8
Views: 5069

Re: Mark 1:4 and John 1:6

The strange style of the Septuagint is probably best explained by a religious reverence for the text that felt imitating the Hebrew as much as possible would preserve it's power better than a more idiomatic translation. I don't think poor knowledge of Greek is the explanation, as the reason behind t...
by calvinist
Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:26 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Adler: error in Key to Exercise 33
Replies: 3
Views: 1471

Re: Adler: error in Key to Exercise 33

Perhaps they are neuter, which is acceptable, although with the referents so close in mind one would expect grammatical gender to remain. For example, if one were holding a book either vis hunc? or vis hoc? would be fine, in addition to the simple vis?
by calvinist
Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:18 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Digital dictionaries: Forcellini
Replies: 34
Views: 30934

Re: Digital dictionaries: Forcellini

Hi, Thank you for your work! Would you consider adding this volume to your collection? A copious and critical English-Latin dictionary by Smith, William, Sir, 1813-1893; Hall, Theophilus D It probably needs to have two indexes, since there's a proper names dictionary at the end. I'll be happy to co...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:04 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Translating Ambiguity
Replies: 3
Views: 1633

Re: Translating Ambiguity

I must stress that the word order does not determine the meaning. Heri vir mortuus est and Heri vir est mortuus both should be interpreted as a compound verb: "Yesterday the man died" And likewise predicate adjectives can come before or after the copulative: vir est iratus or vir iratus est . I don'...
by calvinist
Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:49 am
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: erat educatus
Replies: 5
Views: 2455

Re: erat educatus

spqr wrote:As I was discussing in another topic could this be an example of a past participle used as a predicate adjective?
Any perfect participle can be used as an adjective since participles are verbal adjectives. erat educatus is not enough context to make any judgement though.
by calvinist
Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:17 pm
Forum: Learning Latin
Topic: Translating Ambiguity
Replies: 3
Views: 1633

Re: Translating Ambiguity

It's basically just context, but some of it is because of the differences between English and Latin. Latin doesn't have an aspectual distinction between aorist and perfect although English (and Greek) do. For instance, if a Roman points to a dead man lying on the ground and says " mortuus est ", doe...